SKUP

Looks like a normal construction and procedure. Within a holding you have several companies and each company has it's own CEO. They all are held responsible to the holding and the CEO of that holding. So for now I still assume Fabian is the top guy at Manwin. But as long as he is in jail the CEO's of the several Manwin-companies do their job and they have to assure all their stakeholders, that as long as the big man is "on holiday" it is "business as usual".

But I can understand why some guys are coloring their own pictures, but for now I still have the feeling their chearing is far to early. That is apart from the fact I find it sort of distasteful. That is my personal opninion. Everybody is entitled to have one

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I wonder how Fabian is enjoying his "holiday". Hopefully he'll post some postcards from his time in the pokey.

Anyway, I saw your sig and chuckled - so in a way, you work for Manwin too...



All kidding aside, the compassionate side of me genuinely feels for Fabian's plight, or anyone that finds themselves in a similar situation (provided it is a simple tax dispute, which should be able to be settled with a fine, some operational changes perhaps, maybe some form of periodic review or independent auditing, etc).

I'm unfamiliar with German tax law, but I find it troubling that a person could be held for so long on a tax issue which is yet to be adjudicated, without being able to obtain bail, or know when they can expect to walk free awaiting trial, should it come to that.



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This is not about "all kidding aside". Stating "in a way you work for Manwin too" is very suggestive and below the belt. It is like we (the aciuf) are making a living out of it. Far (very far) from the the truth. And what the contribution of Manwin to the aciuf concerns: if kimdotcom wants to donate we will be very happy to take his money and fight him with it. We will take all the money we can get and use it for what we stand for. AND THAT IS IN NO WAY ABOUT KIDDING.

And concerning German / EU law, it is very common to hold somebody in custody during investigations. How long they can keep you is up to a judge and his / her estimation of whether it is necessary (in the interests of the investigation) to keep you closed off from the outside world.

The speculations in here are for 99% based on wishful thinking

Roald

damn bros

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mikesouth

ACIUF approached me today for a free banner on my site.

I responded that I support anti piracy groups but that I was not comfy with the relationship with Manwin. Just because Fabian pays you to help eliminate his competition doesn't make him anti piracy

so tell me Mr Kuppens just what was the price Fabian paid to purchase you?

whats the going rate for a sellout these days?

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Not sure if they are using any of mine. There was a different credit under one of the original pics. I was approached by 2 different papers for shots, then nothing came of it and the price offered was nothing even close to thousands

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Now c'mon Mike...

The ACIUF guy says that Manwin gets no preferential treatment, so I'm sure that he's going to document all of the abuse at Manwin which ACIUF has uncovered to prove that there is no quid pro quo in effect.

Since they are in the anti-piracy biz, I'm sure that ACIUF may have heard once or twice here or there (like on GFY), that Manwin companies have a little history when it comes to operating tube sites which have been involved with piracy, so I am curious to hear how unbiased they have actually been in going after one of the benefactors that covers some (how much?) of their operating expenses.

I used to work with non-profits that refused money from organizations that they were watchdogging in order to avoid any appearance of collusion or impropriety, but I guess ACIUF doesn't trouble themselves with such concerns.



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I find it a bit surreal that the thread is mostly around who is the biggest bro, who is more into Fabians pants or has more dirty gossip to tell....

As correctly was posted above, we all know too little to make such judgements. Rumors trust me I have heard more than probably anyone at this board...Facts very little though.

We have been watching during the the last days, a very serious case, the arrest of Fabian Thylmann, managing parter of Manwin in Belgium and his extradiction to Germany.

Its probably the news about the adult industry that most have appeared in the mainstream press in the last decades.....

Unfortunaltely its for a negative reason, once again.

Aside from personal opinions, disagreements on their business model etc, Manwin is without a doubt the largest financially company of our industry and F. Thylmann one of the leaders and most prominent persons, thus a very nice target...

All this happening now, apart from the personal implications and the company issues that can arise, is first of all a very negative developement for all the adult industry, shortly after measureb has been voted.

I would wish that our industry, that even today is being discriminated in many countries of the world to be very careful about this case. I always try to see the big picture and in this, doesnt look good....

The authorities and the public eye is upon us. And not in a nice way. I think, we should be careful, as our individual actions can represent the whole industry in times like this.

We should have in mind that the possibility of the adult industry being used as a scape goat could easily exist and be an easy solution for goverments that are in a difficult position due to the global economic crisis and mainstream media always hungry for attention and catchy topics.

We have read and heard endless rumors the last days about the case. Whoever has information about illegal activites, should go to the authorities and report them. Playing the keyboard warrior on gfy doesn't help much ;)

However, I care more that the members of the industry would also think of how to support the industry and our community and not the opposite.

As an industry we must united make sure that F. Thylmann and Manwin are treated by the authorities as a normal individual and company and not as an ad hoc "evil" due to the nature of our industry. If proven guilty pay of course the price that corresponds to it as anyone.

I dont think that if proven guilty or the charges are worse than what it seems so far, its good for our industry as a total. Some even find it funny to make escape stories, I get the joke as well, but would it be good for the image of the adult industry if such thing happened?

So far the official news, report of a possible tax evasion and according to Manwin might be even a personal issue. Things could be different, but so far I have not read something official that support this. If/when it happens then would make sense to talk on a different basis, now I personally find it a bit irresponsible....

If Fabian it out in a few days by just paying a fine, will be funny times on gfy :p

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DWB

BRILLIANT!

Anyone know the address of where they are holding him? We should all send him a Christmas card.

DWB

Not really. He still sat in jail for two weeks, lost a bank account, his office and home were raided, and his and the companies name tarnished with possibly being involved in "tax evasion." I'd call that a kick in the nuts even if he was released tomorrow and only had to pay a fine, which would be an admission of guilt.

It doesn't matter what charges stick, everyone will remember the headlines of his arrest, and his release won't make the kind of news his arrest did. It never works that way. I know you guys will write about it so everyone in the biz knows every detail, as he will tell you do to so, but other than a few sources, the rest of the world will not.

That's the risk everyone takes who walks the line in the porn industry. Fabian today for tax evasion, someone else tomorrow for something else.

SKUP

Send them to me and I will personally hand them over when I am visiting him

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

We could always bake him a cake (with a file inside).

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Mr South,

I knew you were going to be pissed at me. Just for the simple fact I don?t take your speculations as ?the one and only truth?. And for the simple fact that I said he would be home for Xmas. Which by the way is also speculative and I do declare that is sort of wishful thinking to. Just because I would wish that for every person in this world.

And the price for a sellout? Until today I have never met anybody with big enough pockets.

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DWB

Are you really going to visit him? If so, when and to what country would I send the card? I need to check with my local postal to see if they could get it to you in time.

GonZo

Mike have i got the scoop for you on ACIUF and Siep and Ralph.
Hit me up brother!

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Someone here forgets that Fabian got no degree in German Tax Law. He knows coding and management, and uses consultants for rest, which makes sense.
Further, Fabian tells to FT: The money for "all" the acquisitions ( = Mansef tubes, webcams.com, DP, ...) comes from a 362 million-dollar loan by a New York investment company.
Must give credit to Fabian, he noted that after 2008 crisis, the lowered profits on mainstream stocks, let soneone try invest elsewhere, such as porn, that's legit and make sense.
Fabian says "all" the money, like if no own money was used. Whoever dealt with multi million loans, knows that the banks will want to decide and control the accounting and company structure, even if leaving you free to decide products and marketing.
Wheter or not Fabian it is legally responsible for company structure on the paper, it is unlikely he would (or could be allowed really) to decide if use Cyprus or Germany as he wished, especially if any of accountants (and investing bank) disagreed.
About old Mansef CEO running old Mansef office, as well as old Webcams, DP, etc. staff continuing to run respective operations... this make sense. They are employees, not owners. In Merge & Acquisitions, you keep in their place the management that does well, why to change.

The first and main acquisition (using loan's money) it was Mansef tubes, in Canada.
There, I suppose the previous Mansef accountant it was retained, as that's Montreal and not New York one:
Eric Labelle of Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton (Montreal) in 2010 writes in linkedin he was a consultant to Fabian at Manwin Holding SARL (Luxembourg).
http://www.rcgt.com/en/partners-experts/labellee/
Fabian declares in 2012 that he was advised by Grant Thornton that Cyprus companies in the structure it was legal to be used (for German MyDirtyHobby site too).
I think Fabian really believed so, and I guess he been mandated to do so by the investors, or not getting the loan.

Now, we know the name of the accountsnt, but no info on who gave the 362 million loan.
Names are not disclosed by Thylmann due to confidentiality clauses of the deal.
The investors may include entities linked to Churches, Synagogues, Republican party, Saudi Arabia or any Pope and King.
I really don't think it includes Mafia, Money Laundering or any Gangster: the real problem here it may be, that it is respectable conservative religious families who invested in porn.

The Manwin's corporate structure, so Grant Thornton's setup, it was validated and backed by the undisclosed New York investment fund, that's for sure.
Fabian said to FT "the credit (loan) had been sold to a dozen more fund houses".
I guess, without specify clearly it is a porn one, or at least with the warranty, that the name of who is investing in porn would be kept confidential.
And there it comes Cyprus. A guess: not for Tax evasion, but to hide the names of respectable people who invested in porn.
In fact more than greedy ones wanting to save on Tax, they may be shy to lose reputation, so everyoone knows a certain priest or rabbi or republican senator invested in porn.

What's next? Germans Tax guys, wants Tax money only. They don't need to expose foreigners who invested in porn, if Fabian paid the needed tax.
A Tax fine it will be calculated, and paid, making sure no porn investor names it will be exposed.
In any case, Canada will not give troubles to a 1000 employees company who bring cash to country.
Issue is limited to Germany. Probably Fabian will be back home, and yell at his accountants.

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SKUP

Why give Mike the scoop? Just put it on GFY and let's all have fun. I am so freaking curious. Wazzup man?

GonZo

Does Sansyl know your working on this pet project while your on ICM's time?

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Is this your scoop?

Barefootsies

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Ill take that as a no.
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BTW I think you mean IMC's time

SKUP

What ever you want, but if this is your scoop I'll be LMAO

GonZo

No worries. Chris has the scoop anyhow.
You ever learn how to lodge an actionable DMCA complaint yet?

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SKUP

So you promise a scoop to Mike and you give it to Chris? You lost me here

GonZo

That the problem with english as a 2nd language.

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Im curious, you keep saying our industry. What did you do in adult before you bought avn?

GonZo

Maybe his pay site was more successful than Theo/Soul Rebel's?

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If Fabian and Manwin were upstanding members of the adult industry community then I would be all for supporting them in these times. But that's not the case. They aren't. Instead they are in my opinion criminals who helped to almost completely destroy the adult paysite industry with their continued support of piracy.

To be honest I hope those with such a negative influence in our industry do fall. As do I also hope all those who support them fall. It only leaves room for the legitimate hard working people within our industry to take over.

If I could help in any way to add years to Fabian's sentence or to help break up Manwin I would bend over backwards to do it. The same is true for some of the other scumbags in the industry as well as the pieces of crap who continually support them. It sounds harsh but so has the last few years in this business. No one held a gun to Fabian's head and forced him to be a scumbag. If you're a scumbag too or you support scumbags over the hard working honest people in this industry then I urge you to change your ways.

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xanadu

Tony I was running private.com /privatecash.com for a few years...

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Ok cool. I never heard of you and Ive been around for a little while . Thanks

Tasty1

They probabely offered the normal price like 150 to 200 euro. If they didn't pay that amount it is doubled when they still use the picture without permission. Cause they didn't make a good offer a lawyer could get more. Just sent the newspapers an invoice of 400 - 500 euro. I saw at least 6 newspapers / websites and i think it could be 15. I know, i had to pay 450 euro once to a photographer...

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The only way you would know my DMCA-notices suck, is if you received them

Tasty1

What a bullshit about Fabian not being home at Christmas, like that is so bad. I was always happy when i didn't have to go to my family in-law. I always tried to arrange it so i was on Holiday at that time. Maybe he is having a big party in his cel and just watching TV. Not being home on Christmas would be my last thing to worry about. I was also in a cel on new years eve when i was much younger, had something to do with a bomb of firework, i didn't care (and i didn't do it ;)

Read the books, the Christmas period is for most people a time of stress. Visiting parents, annoying girlfriends who wants everything perfect and a lot of fights between couples and family members you don't like. We all lnow that annoying person at the Christmas table... The lucky guy is in his cel! But i am on Holiday, that is even better. I wonder how many people rather be in jail than having dinner with their familiy in-law.

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well, that's actually 9 hundred

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GonZo

Theres that english thing again.
Your DMCA notices are legally unactionable and hardly a solution to piracy.
Telling a pirate to just take down your all content NOW isnt going to scare off anyone and gives no path for legal recourse.

If thats all youve still got as far as an organization against piracy then you arent going to get to far.

I guess thats why you were begging Mike for a free banner yesterday.

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yeah the offer was 150, it would take too much time and effort to try and prove that it's my shot. There was a couple of other people who were shooting it as well, very similar angles. So I'm not sure what is what

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Now you are starting to think like a pornographer.

I advise that you make a list and brain storm what your options are. I promise you will be surprised what you can come up with and what a single person is capable of doing. Afterall it took hundreds of men years to build Rome but it only took 1 man with a match to destroy it in a single night.

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DWB

Most people caught evading taxes blame it on their accountants and tax advisers. It does not help their case.

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I think Fabien is just setting himself up to be the overlord once the Zombie apocalypse hits on Dec 21st. How could we not see this brilliant move? Remain safe behind bars, then come out once the slaughter is over.

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wow, you guys have a hotline

GonZo

Dennis wouldn't have embarrassed himself this much.

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Shap

I think you are trying to be funny. Either that or you are a fuckin idiot. The guy has two young daughters. You think he'd rather be in jail than at home?