GonZo

Not just twitter and not just Mike South and certainly not confined to inside this industry.
Same ultra conservatives that were against .XXX are cheering.

Love the uninformed counterspin and misinformation.
Some folks posting make it quite evident who was or hoping to benefit from Manwin.

You cockholsters keep your eyes closed tight and your mouth open wide in hope ... maybe this will all blow over and Fabian will hire you or bail you out in some fashion too!

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Die Welt is a big German media organization.
Why the hell not a version in English?
(i know they also dub all TV/flicks with German speech).
But really....

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I thought that Bob, Hugh, and Larry, were mostly embroiled in obscenity cases (1st Amendment), not tax evasion (or potentially money-laundering) cases.

Although he sits as the titular head of a large porn empire cobbled together in secret deals over the past few years, Fabian has surrounded himself with several shady characters, such as Interpol fugitive Daniel Sundin, and Bob Rice, not to mention names that can't be posted on GFY (hahahahaha), plus there are many unanswered questions, so I still am not ready to put Fabian on the same level as Bob, Hugh, and Larry, just yet.

Not saying Fabian can't bounce back. It all comes down to what kind of case the government finally brings (if any), what evidence they have to back it up, and what kind of defense Fabian's lawyers can mount. On the other hand, this could be the beginning of the collapse of the self-annointed potentate of porn's house of cards.

Companies which expand as rapidly as Manwin has, can face difficult challenges under the best of circumstances, but Fabian heads a company still trying to build an identity that is largely built upon other companies which were deeply embroiled in shady activities, including money-laundering, tubes built on pirated content, etc., so Manwin is facing a much greater challenge, it would seem.

If Fabian or his company have skeltons on their computers, or a few employees decide to cut a deal with the government, I can see how things may not be so happy in der Manwin-land in the not too distant future.

Intriguing story, no matter how you look at it...seems like there is major dama every December on GFY (although this one has to be the biggest one that I can recall).



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What, haven't you seen Middle Men?

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Here here mate.

Shap is the man. Thanks for all the biz from when you had Gaytube Mr Shap. Enjoy retirement..

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Havent you heard? Prancing Fabian is the self styled... jet flying,bentley riding, New Hugh Hefner.... son of a gun! WHOOOO

If you dont think so.... ask him. [When he gets out of jail]

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Those 3 were actually in the porn business and built their empires from the ground up.

Fabian is an ex-programmer from NATS who didn't build anything.

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GonZo

Dont forget...


Originally Posted by nathan
I started Porntrack.com together with sUdden a little bit before sextracker started their counter. Thats all I really did back then.

After a lot of stuff that happened I kinda disappeared from the scene for a few years and am just starting to come back

And yes, it was DEFINATELY different times back then.

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However, they are/were real pornographers

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adultmobile

Larry Flynt and Hugh Hefner and the boogie nights movies that's an very interesting historical period, could not be reproduced today because all it changed. It happened once in times, same as there was that cool idea to build pyramids in egypt and that was cool at the time, but it make no sense to build pyramids today. So no one would care if today someone does like Larry Flynt or Hugh Hefner done in 1970's, as would bring no money and not even make it in the gossip news.

Fabian... that's from the current internet times... imlive founder was and it is in the glass art, streamate founder it was and still is into the web hosting, myfreecams founder was into email spam (lol google for him). Livejasmin guy he's god office and activities with docler it looks all except porn, look docler site. No one of them came from porn or embraced porn as a lifestyle that I know of, still are the guys who move the most money in porn today. As Shap noted, there's people running the biggest and most profitable "online porn" sites, as it was someone at pornhub (mansef), which does not even like porn themselves. They just knew how to make money on internet and that's with porn, accidentally. They would sell and quit adult on first occasion and never return back to porn. Of course there's people who does it for the pussy, but that's normally the small sites and affiliates, really, except those old porn producers who adapted to internet and did not changed lifestyle.

Still when it comes to Tax, it does not change much if you're living in a porn mansion full of naked girls or in an very formal geeks place with business or anime posters on walls.

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Bullshit.

I was around during those times (mid 1990's) and making real money. Fabian is just 34 years old NOW. I don't give a fuck what he did when he was a kid. I doubt he's ever even been on a porn set.

Guys like him are parasites who leech off the industry. "Designed programs" Really?
That isn't actually doing porn. That is a kid playing on a computer.

We aren't even talking about the same thing.

Hefner, Bob G of Penthouse, and Larry Flynt were people who CREATED adult images and were THE pioneers.

Fabian didn't do shit to "pioneer" online adult. We were there from damn near the beginning and were one of the biggest in the world. There was no "Fabian" ever mentioned or talked about.

He was a programmer for NATS. And then when he went his own way, he started an Amateur paysite program. It was all documented by his own posts a few years ago right here on GFY.
He was looking for affiliates to try and get it off the ground.

It didn't work out and he shut it down. And that's the last I ever heard of him for a couple of years until he suddenly had over 100 million dollars that he claims he got financed from a bank during the worst economy of our lifetimes.

Yeah...they are gonna open those books up. And Fabian's house of cards and lies will be exposed.

"Porn King", the emperor has no clothes.

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Yep and when they did,there was nothing like it. and it really wasn't safe to produce. It took very big balls.

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You are a god damn idiot

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So you're saying Fabien and Daniel were the true thieving "pioneers" and they deserve a pat on the back for that...

Slappin Fish

If nobody can read your posts right maybe the problem is with your writing, think about it genius

epitome

I hate to burst your ego, but it doesn't matter if he's ever stepped foot on a set. He funds many sets and is the guy with the most money, which is all that matters. Huffington Post and Gawker won't even know it if you are arrested tomorrow. Seems like everybody knows the owner of YouPorn and Porn Hub was arrested.

It doesn't matter who was there first, but instead who makes the most money.

Having said that, I do bet he regrets some of his posts here on "tax optimization" and I really question his judgment. He has to have known he has a huge target painted on his back. It would be ironic if this is all over a couple million dollars.

Shap

Ron (Fantasyman) told me that many years ago

DWB

Pure speculation. Several factors could have caused the arrest to happen the way it did, one of them being Fabian could have been avoiding Germany knowing he would be arrested if he went there. Another could be they wanted to tie him up for the longest amount of time possible and knew by getting him another country over the holidays, that would be a good way to do it. There are other reasons, but we can't assume the German gov doesn't have "crap" on him.



Blasphemy.

Fabian is currently just a blip in the history of pornography and could be gone tomorrow and soon forgotten about. Lets see how it pans out 10 or 20 years from now with him. However, the other guys have been in porn longer than any of us have probably been alive. Guys like that created the industry, defied every law in every state, and they didn't have to steal it from someone else. They are different as men, not just as pornographers, which Fabian is not. He is a programmer who has probably spent most of the nights in his jail cell literally crying his eyes out. To compare Fabian to any of those hard ass old timers, or say he is the modern day version of them, is honestly blasphemy.

DWB

That is not 100% correct. Some people profited from theft and piracy back then. Not everyone. Not everyone is a thief or thinks like one. All of that stolen content had to come from somewhere.

Porno Dan

I totally agree with you on this statement.

It takes a special bred to wear porn on your sleeve, and not many people are willing to do this.

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Slappin Fish

Riiiight...

If I am the only one who are these others you speak of ?

And since you gave the same answer to Robbie doesn't that make at least two of us?

Your original post came across as praise for Fabien, instead of attacking those who understood it that way a simple clarification would have sufficed.


Anyway you want to call it pioneering good for you, most people here will disagree. If I find a fraudulent way to sell double glazing to old ladies, I am not a double glazing "pioneer", only a crook who found a niche.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Yes, but in my case I wash my shirt after every porn use, because I don't want crusty sleeves.



Anyone know what the Belgium jail system is like?



I'm surprised that Fabian's lawyers can't negotiate a release bond, given the type of crime he has thus far been investigated about (tax evasion = white collar, even if guilty, pay a fine, probation).

I presume that even though Fabian is in custody, that he is in contact with his lawyers at the very least. Again, I don't know the law in Belgium. Anyone (Europeans) can help?



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Is it me or is the attention towards "Porn", the Content that is, completely vanishes at a higher level once a company reaches a certain level?

Using Sammy as an example, when I was with Mansef in 2007, he had more input towards the next set of sites that were to be launched under the Brazzers Brand at that time (Milfs Like it Big, Teens Like It Big, Real Wives Stories, etc.......)

Afterwards, near the end of 2008, as the company had grown to about 3-4 times the number of employees from when I had began, and only kept growing afterwards, it's as if the focus had completely shifted and he couldn't care anymore, just as long as profits were growing.

Now I've never met you personally Shap, but heard nothing but positive feedback from the Twistys employees when they moved to Montreal after the sale to Manwin (Most Notably Van who I find to be a Character of his own....LOL). Was there a point where you'd have so many other "Fishes to Fry" with regards to your company having grown bigger that selective attention had to be shifted off from other portions of the business, like content for example?

I ask because I can look at most execs currently at Manwin, and most of them wouldn't even know the core of their Products, only the Numbers.

What's your Take? Where do you see a Balance?

PS: Apologies for hijacking the thread with a Business Oriented Question...... :-P

GonZo

Bullshit.
I was running uuencode and uudecode before 1993 under DOS using a dialup holonet account.
And that was on an IBM Mod80 which wasnt a powerhouse within itself.

Wasnt that hard and you hardly needed any special software.

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GonZo

Not me dude. Im no Al Gore trying to take credit for this that has been there for years.
Just pointing out that these guys were common thieves from the start.
Selling off unencoded newsgroup pics is no different that Lee Noga scanning the pages of Penthouse to populate a CD Library and passing the shit off as her own.

And you know what happened there in the end.

We arent talking any genius level technology or innovation.

The bad ass virus hes talking about that Daniel Sundin wrote was nothing more than a begware routine. Made your CD drawer open and begged for money to fix it.

Like I said there is a lot of misinformation and counterspin going on.
Reminds me of a egotistical guy that stole money from others to finance a film that credited him as a shrewd businessman [that fucked around on his wife] and was responsible for all the adult billing on the web.

Trying to rewrite history is pretty damn funny.

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as mentioned a few times in here, there is no bail, no bond and no release in an extradition case. as soon as he is extradited, there will be a bail hearing, where he will be granted bail, it will be high, but I am sure he will have no issues finding the money, he will then be free to move about in Germany until he is arraigned.

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yes it is

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omgt

yes they would, because it would make a big difference to the defence and or mitigation

i dont know anything about the specifics of this case, but yes it would/might make a difference,
i.e. if there was a guilty plea BUT "the defendents are no longer involved in this industry after realising their errors and the troubles that the industry may bring and are all involved in another industry" (and do voluntary work for the local church on wednesday mornings) (etc) would be a general type of mitigation plea you would here in any court in any country any day of the week,
the prosecutor (might) know this (they are usually thick, the crappiest of their kind and pathetic sad vindictive liars)

they also might know that it would affect the sentence/penalty (if there was one)

then again they arent usually interested - who knows.

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I almost started that post with "who am I MaDalton, I posted this 4 times and still no one listened to me."

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Phoenix

Do you think Fabian is crying at night like some suggest? surely not, he himself says he is smarter then everyone else. He must have seen this coming and this is all part of his plan.

He is even more shrewd then he gives himself credit for...lol

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omgt

very interesting how history evolves.
news today = history tomorrow
you usually cant get more interesting than history.

DWB

1) He is a programmer, not some porno cowboy or hardened criminal. He is probably shaken to his very core right now. It's one thing to plan for it, but when it happens and it's a reality, everything changes and most of your thoughts on how you would deal with it fly out the window.

2) He is probably not going to be spending Christmas (or Hanukkah) with his family. That alone is enough to make a family man cry.

Given both of those, I'm sure he's shed some tears. I know I get sad being away from the family during the holidays. Add that to being locked in a small room and facing lord knows what charges, it could be quite emotional.

Phoenix

I want to feel sorry for him, however i have never been a fan of the tubes.

Too much hardcore free porn, i have a feeling a large% of viewers on the tubes are underage, and surely shouldn't have their first porn to be 3 guys fucking a girl in the ass at the same time.

Then add the stolen content on top of that, which is a major issue for any tube.

I don't wish him ill, and i can sympathize that he is probably missing his kids. However, he chose to put really hardcore porn out for free on a massive massive scale, what the hell did he think was going to happen?

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as far as I know/hear the whole story is for a personal tax issue that was in the process to be settled anyhow.

Dont jump to conclusions so easily...

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its a formality that has to be applied

he is a german citizen
he lives in belgium
the german authorities want to question him (etc) because a complaint has been made, and evidence seized which they want to question him on (brief explanation)
the german authorities have no jurisdiction in belgium
the german courts have no jurisdiction in belgium
the belgium courts/authorities have no grounds to question him (no allegation/complaint has been made)
in the E.U. there is the "eu arrest warrant" (even if there wasnt it wouldnt make any difference)
they have to take him back to the state that has jurisdiction to question him as well as power to process the case through the courts.
so at the moment it is "just" a jurisdiction issue, he is in the wrong place for it to go any further - so he has to be moved so that the case can progress.
The german authorities/courts have jurisdiction over the proceedings not because he is a german citizen (although that might be relevent) but because thats where the jurisdiction of the case is.


For lack of a better analogy :-
If he was an australian who was living in germany and went shoplifting, and then he moved to belgium, and the authorities found evidence of the offence, they would need him back in germany to proceed with the case.
Thats it.
When he gets there he will be questioned about any allegations/complaints and any evidence seized.





"I'm surprised that Fabian's lawyers can't negotiate a release bond, given the type of crime he has thus far been investigated about (tax evasion = white collar, even if guilty, pay a fine, probation).

I presume that even though Fabian is in custody, that he is in contact with his lawyers at the very least. Again, I don't know the law in Belgium. Anyone (Europeans) can help?"

evie

So many people with no idea telling us what will happen. What will happen is we will learn more soon. Wait and see.

omgt

i apologise profusely for dragging this into the mud,
but if you worked there some people here may want to ask you about the number of toilets, as there seems to be a fixation around that issue.

tony286

If that's the case why is he sitting in jail? Think about it.