VenusBlogger

You are sending them a lot of traffic to figure out the SPONSOR adds TWITTER-FACEBOOK and other Social Bookmark LINKS on their SITE, and the SURFERS you are sending are happy to figure this out..

Really sucks, MAN..

Links PULLED..

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ErectMedia

agreed, lot of traffic leakage these days

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epitome

Did you check to make sure it's not just the type-in traffic that gets the leaks?

NaughtyRob

We don't do that. But I don't entirely agree with the original poster... having those listed on the site shows that the girl is involved or at least gives that impression.

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ErectMedia

Can be used as a selling angle...

"Join my site guys and get all my social media contacts" etc... without actually linking to them

make the twitter etc... button link to the join form

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Just wanted to suggest the above mentioned - could increase the conversion

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VenusBlogger

EXACTLY, man, well said... But the SPONSOR that manages the site ACTUALLY ADDS the LINK or adds a WIDGET with all her latest TWEETS, that has all links to their twitter or facebook profiles.. WTF?.. Its crazy..

I hate when the sponsors only thinks in him and the model, and PISS OFF and doesnt care about the AFFILIATE WORKING hard to send that traffic.

I dont fucking care if we are in 2012 and its all about INTERACTION... They can't destroy the AFFILIATES hard work with things like that..

They completely destroy the MIDDLE MAN here.. they only care about the new business model of MODEL -> SPONSOR -> CUSTOMER...

WTF.. I hate that, this year they destroyed the AFFILIATE business model like never before...

wehateporn

Vote with your traffic

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CrocMint

He didn't have a programmer to create a widget that would show up recent messages without links or just been stupid.

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xNetworx

Your 2 sales a week will surely be missed

VenusBlogger

I would never promote a program where you are an Account Manager.

I would stay away from anything you are linked to...

You are completely FULL OF UTTER SHIT, dude...

Stay away from this guy or be sorry later -> CamBoss

By the WAY, Stripper Cash sucks so much. Worst Sponsor I tried, ever. I dont care if you related or not, Just sayin.. hehehe.

Oh and I make 100 times more sales than you in Regular PaySites.. Your only tricks are CAMS, where you barely do some shitty sales with your TRICKS I already figured out.

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SmutHammer

I'm confused how twitter etc. is considered a traffic leak and a bad thing, From what I can tell it makes the surfer feel more connected with the model and shows that she is still active.

what is the problem you have with a girl having twitter etc?

JuicyBunny

We use twitter on OUR tours, non-Affiliate tours ONLY and in the members and on our blog network. Get new followers every day. If you are going to have twitter on an affiliate tour you have to have an api that tracks affiliate codes or don't do it. We see paysites doing that all the time without the tracking capability.

Check your sponsors before you start promoting them. Check their tours. Once in awhile, check back. The kink mobile thing, if legit, is pretty fucked up. Its too bad when sponsors start pulling shady or stupid crap.

xNetworx

OK N00b. I probably earned more today than you make in a month.

Doctor Dre

The internet, the place where people argue who makes more money then who instead of working towards earning it.

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VenusBlogger

I completely agree, good post!...

Just check above you, the guy says that he sees no problem adding twitter to affiliates tour. Well, anyone who says that doesn't deserve to get his paysites promoted.

freecartoonporn

i agree , the traffic leak is a big no.

if program is using their own cookie handling then they should have set like this.

if no cookie then show twitter links.

if cookie then dont show twitter links.

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Roald

programs should offer the option to affiliates so they can see for themselfs what works out best. I would prefer with the social icons since it shows the girls is kind of involved and active on the site.

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V_RocKs

Split testing? Wha???

SpicyM

Why is it such a big problem? If the surfer wants to click the buttons he probably does not want to join the paysite in the end.

Colmike9

I don't think the sites are doing it intentionally to steal sales. Social media isn't THAT great..
It's just a quick, easy, and free way to bring in extra real surfers that takes a couple of minutes to set up.

If you're that mad about it, then on your sites/blogs promoting cams, just pop up a lightbox asking to follow on social media sites with your own sm link that syndicates tweets/posts from the original and maybe inject your own RefID before they see the Twitter/FB/etc links on the promo materials...

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femdomdestiny

There is one worse thing and those are all new clips4sale stores. I am sending my traffic and then surfers go and buy there. Fuck that. and almost all sites have that hit now.

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Colmike9

Yeah, a lot of people I know are using Clips4Sale as a paysite/affiliate alternative and are making some good money.. ;(

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Supz

god forbid they try to make money outside of the affiliate program.

signupdamnit

Make the affiliate tours clean of that crap. Do whatever you want within reason on your normal tours. Affiliates shouldn't even need to mention this, sponsors really ought to know better.

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ErectMedia

+1

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SmutHammer

So if someone goes to a website by your affiliate link. then they go and check out twitter, they lose your cookie?

Serious question. Sorry I own a small program but am still learning a lot about how things work.

JuicyBunny

If a sponsor puts a social media link on an affiliate tour and links on that social media account go back to sponsors tour, affiliates have a right to be pissed. I think it would be fine to post a symbol on an affiliate tour to let surfers know those accounts are active but it is pretty sleazy/stupid to make social media active on an affiliate tour that do not credit affiliate. Just my two cents.

Va2k

WE don't do that on our network at all.. Only time I use this is on my blogs which aff's don't use. Traffic leaks is just that traffic leaks and they suck for all the hard working aff working to bring traffic to our site. That is like a big kick in an aff face doing something like this. *shrugs* It just amazes me that program owners don't cater to aff's like they use too. Without good aff's and good seo and good content what do you have left? *shrugs*

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SmutHammer

Well... I did not know this was a problem and considered a bad thing from Affiliates. I will make some new tours made specific for Affiliate traffic. Anyone wanna help and post things they like/dislike for affiliate tours?

NoWhErE

as far as I know, social media doesn't remove your cookie, so even if they follow on FB, Twitter, or whatever, you still get the sale if they join later on.

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signupdamnit

Assuming the twitter or Facebook page doesn't push other sponsors or products for which the affiliate is not credited. The affiliate is sending the visitor to make a sale for which they get credit. Anything which does work directly towards that goal is not welcome. The affiliate is sending the visitor in good faith in the hopes of receiving their fair cut of the revenue generated from that surfer.

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xNetworx

Don't expect the OP to understand this as he is mentally challenged.

signupdamnit

Okay. You send me 100,000 premium hits a day and I will make a page with a tiny link in a small font which says "JOIN NOW!" at the bottom of the page and then have other links to facebook and twitter feeds of my choice (with links to other products and services for which your cookie isn't set) and maybe a link to my clips4sale store. We can do a 50/50 revshare split on the sales generated from the "JOIN NOW" link but you get nothing for everything else.

Deal?

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PornoMonster

LOL Seriously....

We are talking about SOLO Sites.. The Surfer went to See or Join that SOLO girl. If the surfer changes his mind, then yeah. Yo do know you do not get credit inside most members areas, or if the surfer is watching a webcam of the solo model, and click to other cam girls or sees the URL in the header, HA

Solo sites that are active are about Rebills!!!

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rowan

I guess they could get distracted and instead follow the girl for the 3-7 days it takes for the cookie to expire, then come back to her site a week or two later to join...

SilentKnight

Quite obviously my viewpoint won't be popular here - but affiliates often don't realize (or deliberately choose to ignore) it takes more to keep the whale afloat, than the little fish that swim alongside. Yes, it's a symbiotic business relationship - but all too often the tail thinks it's in a position to wag the dog.

The overhead expenses for an affiliate directing traffic pale in comparison to production costs.

Let's say a sponsor offers a 50/50 affiliate program - giving half the revenue of every member sign-up to the affiliate. From his remaining 50%, he has to pay models, pay for all the gear (cameras, lighting, makeup, outfits, props) needed to produce the content, the studio/remote location, photo/video editing, website operation, income tax, etc.

And after all those expenses are deducted from his 50% - he gets the marginal remaining as his personal income.

Speaking from experience - in a small ma-and-pa operation - the remaining revenue stream is incredibly small. On a good month it's slightly above break-even. It's a primary reason so many ma-and-pa production companies have evaporated over the years. They simply can't sustain the revenue needed for ongoing production.

What expenses does the typical affiliate incur? (serious question - I'd like to hear).

robwod

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I can tell you we spend several thousands of dollars a month to promote programs. Programming costs, design costs, advertising costs, hosting costs, editorial costs, assorted administrative costs, hosting costs, server management costs.

It seems some program owners do not realize that many affiliates are registered businesses, and treat it as same. We also have overhead, employees, income taxes, etc.

And yes, we do create our own advertorials and purchase advertising to promote a service, program or model. To see stuff like popups, social links and other traffic leaks is a little discouraging and often times provides the incentive to focus on other sites that abstain from that sort of thing on their affiliate traffic tours.

Wizzo

Cleary there's a few that don't understand the phycology of the solo girl market, which trends to be a little different the regular porn market...

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SilentKnight

Food for thought - I respect and appreciate the honest feedback.

VenusBlogger

Always agree with you man, thanks appreciated.

VenusBlogger

Man, are you the same Tom from a CCBILL site I used to promote years ago? Like in year 2005 or so... something like bootlocks or something like that, cant remember the name.. it was foot fetish and converted like crazy...

You back into the business? havent seen you around for some time.

VenusBlogger

Thank you so much.

VenusBlogger

I have done several tests, and seen what happened, dude...

If you give the surfer the chance to enter Facebook or Twitter, many of those guys are going to contact the models using those networks...

It seems that some sponsors owners, following the current adult business model of INTERACTION, do whatever then need to do, and dont care about fucking the affiliate business... That sucks, you know. We work hard to send the traffic.

Va2k

YEA knockboots I am back after my health problems brother! btw if you're the person I think you are then PLEASE come back you rocked it for me! LOL NO really you were killing it.

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SmutHammer

It will take time to make new tours etc. I removed twitter links.

Penny24Seven

The last thing I do is depend on others to make it like affiliates so others prob think like that when they add twitter shit, I do not have them but would listen if someone had a real issue, Did you contact them about it or just pull links.

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the thing is, another affiliate sending sales does not cost the sponsor anything, so 50% of anything they send is 50% more than they would have had otherwise. the more affiliates sending sales the better