Hostess Out of Business

[CYF]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...5445_blog.html

Sounds like Hostess workers approved a small pay cut, the union didn't approve, and now Hostess is going out of business.

I went to the outlet store here and they were out of Twinkies already Picked up some bread, cupcakes, donuts, and fruit pies. Lady at the counter expected the stock to run out this weekend.

[Spunky]

They are still made in Montreal..Canada still has the twinkies!

[CYF]

Originally Posted by Spunky

They are still made in Montreal..Canada still has the twinkies!

I'm in Minneapolis, maybe we can get an import business going

[shake]

I don't think I've ever had one, might have to try before they are gone forever. Go unions ...

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by CYF

I'm in Minneapolis, maybe we can get an import business going

Foot routes, smart.

[stach14]

Yea I wouldnt worry too much, they will sell the brand name and someone else will take over, twinkies will live on

[woj]

no loss, they taste like crap anyway...

[Failed]

From what I've read, Hostess is in way deeper than a simple pay dispute to their workers. They offered themselves up to investment firms recently and were rejected because of other instances of risk involved with the company. This was simply the last straw.

I hate when people oversimplify situations just to take an anti union stance.

*Edit - When I first read the title I thought there were going to be pics of a restaurant hostess looking for work in the porn biz :D

[L-Pink]

Great, now we will be getting chinese Twinkies.

[alias]

Chinkies.

[atom]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Great, now we will be getting chinese Twinkies.

chinkies?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by atom

chinkies?

Yes, Twinkies filled with dog poo..

[Spunky]

Knew it was a matter of time..20 bucks for a box of 10..stock up
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

[Spunky]

I'm loading up and flogging these!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-boxes-of-...em20cd8d f805

[atom]

Originally Posted by alias

Chinkies.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by woj

no loss, they taste like crap anyway...

they really do.. hehe they are great when you are kid and haven't had anything better but if you are going to eat a dessert you should really aim a little higher hehe

[crockett]

They also make Wonder Bread which will also be gone.

[alias]

Originally Posted by atom

Great minds.

[fitzmulti]

Stock up!
The expiration date on that shit is irrelevant anyway! ;-)

[L-Pink]

I have 50 cases in my bomb shelter. They go great after a delicious MRE.

[sandman!]

[CYF]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Great, now we will be getting chinese Twinkies.

I hope not.

I actually like Little Debbie better, they're cheaper and seem to have better products. The one thing Hostess does well is the Twinkie. I've tried the other brands of knockoff twinkies and they're all greasy or just shitty. I only have a twinkie maybe once a year but I'm going to miss them

[brassmonkey]

thank god theirs still little debbies

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Sad, but that's what Unions do. They'll Milk a company out of it's profits to the point that well, they'll actually close shop.

The reason American manufaturing jobs go overseas, Unions and the strict EPA guidelines.

[TheSquealer]

Further proof of how awesome unions are.

[lezinterracial]

I usually get the knock offs at Wal-Mart. I think they are called golden cremes.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by crockett

They also make Wonder Bread which will also be gone.

No loss - Wonder bread tastes like paste.

[SilentKnight]

Union greed - standing by outdated principles - well done folks.

Now 18,500 of you are unemployed.

Way to go. Keep driving those nails into the union coffins.

[GAMEFINEST]

taste like shit, good ridddance

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by atom

chinkies?

bahuhuhuh

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Failed

From what I've read, Hostess is in way deeper than a simple pay dispute to their workers. They offered themselves up to investment firms recently and were rejected because of other instances of risk involved with the company. This was simply the last straw.

I hate when people oversimplify situations just to take an anti union stance.

*Edit - When I first read the title I thought there were going to be pics of a restaurant hostess looking for work in the porn biz :D

Considering Teamsters are ripping on the Bakery Union as well, I think it's fair for anyone else to take the antiunion stance, LOL.

My take on it is the Bakery Union was willing to sacrifice their Hostess members in order to not lose their members from other companies. Which makes sense from their position, but it screwed 20,000 people out of a job. Unions are in business to protect the union, not its members. People really need to get that through their head. They are really no different than the "big business" that everyone loves to hate.

[CYF]

[RebelR]

Hostess had the best barbecue chips. I will miss them

[spunky99]

funny thing is, people think these products will disappear from the market? hostess will sell off its brands and there will still be twinkies. it actually amazes me how many people are sad that there could be no more twinkies..

[AllAboutCams]

never tried one

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by spunky99

funny thing is, people think these products will disappear from the market? hostess will sell off its brands and there will still be twinkies. it actually amazes me how many people are sad that there could be no more twinkies..

their quality went to shit. puffy packages

[Shotsie]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Sad, but that's what Unions do. They'll Milk a company out of it's profits to the point that well, they'll actually close shop.

The reason American manufaturing jobs go overseas, Unions and the strict EPA guidelines.

Really, really backwards. This is even more surprising coming from you, Bubba Gump, seeing as how you live in one of those right-to-work states - Louisiana - with some of the lowest wages and the highest rates of poverty in America. Also, being a fledgling shrimp boat captain, I would think you of all people, would understand the necessity of regulation agencies like the EPA, seeing as how your fishing grounds in the Gulf of Mexico were completely devastated not even two years ago via the reckless disregard for environmental safety courtesy of British Petroleum. And how, pray tell, does an American worker compete with some serf from Zhejiang Province who's willing to work fourteen hour shifts for three dollars a day?

The American 20th century was as great as it was because of the creative tension between labor and capital, with neither side completely subduing the other. One was able to generate mass wealth, alleviated only by the influence of the other, which was, through collective bargaining, thanks to the unions, able to take the American laboring class and transform it to a consumer class that drove our economy to extraordinary heights. That is what has made America great.

“The future of America is the future of labor.”

John L. Lewis, a union organizer, said that and sadly, the last thirty years have proved him exactly right.

We’ve been dismantling that consumer class and organized labor systematically for the last thirty years, and now, we wonder why we’re not able to sell ourselves not only the things we need, but the things we don’t need - the discretionary purchases like porn - that drive our economy. When labor is perceived only as a cost, and not as a societal asset, the result will, in the long run, be economic stagnation. Since 1980, real wages going down, more wealth concentrated in the one-percent, more societal debt, the decline of collective bargaining and trade unionism as a core value in American life, etc. And big surprise, the lowest wages and the highest rates of poverty in America are all in right-to-work states.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by spunky99

funny thing is, people think these products will disappear from the market? hostess will sell off its brands and there will still be twinkies. it actually amazes me how many people are sad that there could be no more twinkies..

I think Bimbo (the Sara Lee and Thompson parent company) will buy them.

Then we'll have Bimbo Ho Ho's

[L-Pink]

Shotsie ? What's truly sad about EPA laws is how the American consumer won't allow anything but green! green! green! in the US but allows their goods to be produced with almost no guidelines in other countries.

A true environmentalist would insist on not just local compliance with EPA laws but worldwide or boycott the product. The cost of environmental impact studies and compliance costs do indeed drive companies overseas. And asshat consumers get their cheaper products at the expense of someone else's polluted backyard.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CYF

I think Bimbo (the Sara Lee and Thompson parent company) will buy them.

Then we'll have Bimbo Ho Ho's

lol, have another beer!

[CYF]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

lol, have another beer!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambro...phaned-brands/

[TisMe]

2nd time in Bankruptcy for Hostess, the Teamsters Union has signed onto the deal and has been urging the Bakers Union to do the same.

The Bakers Union seem to feel that they'll have a better shot with the new owners if someone steps up and buys them out.

The company was offered around for sale recently and there were no takers.

Problem is what if someone buys just the trade names and recipes?

That would leave all or most of the employees without jobs.

[Shotsie]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Shotsie … What's truly sad about EPA laws is how the American consumer won't allow anything but green! green! green! in the US but allows their goods to be produced with almost no guidelines in other countries.

A true environmentalist would insist on not just local compliance with EPA laws but worldwide or boycott the product. The cost of environmental impact studies and compliance costs do indeed drive companies overseas. And asshat consumers get their cheaper products at the expense of someone else's polluted backyard.

Hypocrisy will never go out of style in American life. When I see one of these gentrifying yuppie hipster vegans eating a fucking $15 tofu burger at one of the newly opened organic cafes that just fits oh so perfectly into the working-class landscape of the neighborhood I grew up in, I feel like walking up to him and asking him how many hundreds of thousands of acres of Amazonian rainforest were razed to plant the soybean crops used to accommodate his self-righteous philosophy.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Shotsie

Really, really backwards. This is even more surprising coming from you, Bubba Gump, seeing as how you live in one of those right-to-work states - Louisiana - with some of the lowest wages and the highest rates of poverty in America. Also, being a fledgling shrimp boat captain, I would think you of all people, would understand the necessity of regulation agencies like the EPA, seeing as how your fishing grounds in the Gulf of Mexico were completely devastated not even two years ago via the reckless disregard for environmental safety courtesy of British Petroleum. And how, pray tell, does an American worker compete with some serf from Zhejiang Province who's willing to work fourteen hour shifts for three dollars a day?

The American 20th century was as great as it was because of the creative tension between labor and capital, with neither side completely subduing the other. One was able to generate mass wealth, alleviated only by the influence of the other, which was, through collective bargaining, thanks to the unions, able to take the American laboring class and transform it to a consumer class that drove our economy to extraordinary heights. That is what has made America great.

“The future of America is the future of labor.”

John L. Lewis, a union organizer, said that and sadly, the last thirty years have proved him exactly right.

We’ve been dismantling that consumer class and organized labor systematically for the last thirty years, and now, we wonder why we’re not able to sell ourselves not only the things we need, but the things we don’t need - the discretionary purchases like porn - that drive our economy. When labor is perceived only as a cost, and not as a societal asset, the result will, in the long run, be economic stagnation. Since 1980, real wages going down, more wealth concentrated in the one-percent, more societal debt, the decline of collective bargaining and trade unionism as a core value in American life, etc. And big surprise, the lowest wages and the highest rates of poverty in America are all in right-to-work states.

yep well said. Meanwhile at Hostess
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...p_ref=business
"(Hostess has stressed that sacrifices were made across-the-board at the company, though workers may feel like they've given up far more than executives. As the Wall Street Journal reported, the company's four top executives agreed earlier this year to work for a salary of $1 until Hostess emerged from bankruptcy -- but only after enjoying raises of 75 to 80 percent in 2011, when the company had already hired restructuring lawyers.)"

this one
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2145086.html
Low-level workers typically start near minimum wage, and have the potential to earn raises of 20 to 40 cents an hour through incremental promotions. Flawless performance merits a 60 cent raise per year under the policy, regardless of how much time an employee has worked for the company. [Click here to read the full pay policy] As a result, a "solid performer" who starts at Walmart as a cart pusher making $8 an hour and receives one promotion, about the average rate, can expect to make $10.60 after working at the company for 6 years.

and guess who pays for people getting poverty wages? We do.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony286

Low-level workers typically start near minimum wage, and have the potential to earn raises of 20 to 40 cents an hour through incremental promotions. Flawless performance merits a 60 cent raise per year under the policy, regardless of how much time an employee has worked for the company. [Click here to read the full pay policy] As a result, a "solid performer" who starts at Walmart as a cart pusher making $8 an hour and receives one promotion, about the average rate, can expect to make $10.60 after working at the company for 6 years.

and guess who pays for people getting poverty wages? We do.

And just how much cheaper is a chinese produced piece of shit at walmart when you add food stamps and government medical cards for the families of their employees? Consumers need to get their heads out of the sand.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

And just how much cheaper is a chinese produced piece of shit at walmart when you add food stamps and government medical cards for the families of their employees? Consumers need to get their heads out of the sand.

Amen

[Shotsie]

Speaking of Walmart

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Union greed - standing by outdated principles - well done folks.

Now 18,500 of you are unemployed.

Way to go. Keep driving those nails into the union coffins.

The vulture capitalist firm Ripplewood Holdings that took over Hostess and fleeced the company thanks you for your blind idiocy.

[mikesinner]

It's actually corporate greed and lack of controls on big business that is responsible for this.

Unfortunately Americans have been brainwashed by the religious right to believe that workers wanting a wage that they can actually feed their families on are the ones to blame.

[travs]

I heard they're cancerous...is that true?