'We have no future!' EU anger unites millions in protest

[halfpint]

This is some of the biggest demonstrations I have ever seen in the EU This shit is gonna blow up and get real bad if the EU dosent get a grip on the economy real fast

Spain and Greece now have 55% and 53% unemployment

Massive anti-austerity strikes and protests swept across Europe as millions took to the streets to express their frustration over rising unemployment and dire economic prospects. Many rallies ended with violent clashes with police.

Workers marched in 23 countries across Europe to mark the European Day of Action and Solidarity.

General strikes had been called in Spain and Portugal, paralyzing public services and international flights, in Belgium and France transport links were partially disrupted by strikes and demonstrations, in Italy and Greece thousands of workers and students marched through the streets.

Other EU countries, such as Germany, Austria and Poland, saw well attended union-led rallies.

Video here

http://rt.com/news/austerity-protest...olidarity-727/

[Sly]

I'm curious. What jobs do the people want the government to create? And what money do the people want the government to pay those employees with?

I feel like Johnny right now… It may be time to stop looking at the government for answers and start looking at the people for answers instead.

[JFK]

Spain and Portugal, if they put as much effort into turning their situation around , as they do into complaining, they would get ahead

[- Jesus Christ -]

Coming soon to America.

[scottybuzz]

hey try and be a better with the statitics, spain doesnt not have 55% unemployment, amongst the youth yes but not 55% for the nation.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm curious. What jobs do the people want the government to create? And what money do the people want the government to pay those employees with?

I feel like Johnny right now? It may be time to stop looking at the government for answers and start looking at the people for answers instead.

[v4 media]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm curious. What jobs do the people want the government to create? And what money do the people want the government to pay those employees with?

I feel like Johnny right now? It may be time to stop looking at the government for answers and start looking at the people for answers instead.

Spain needs to leave the Euro, it needs to get its currency revalued so it can be competitive. But no euro politicians have the bollocks to do it.

Also take the unemployment figures with a pinch of salt. 30% of the economy in Spain is Black. A lot of people work, they just don't register cause the costs are too high.

[EriktheRabbit]

Perhaps time for them to drag the bankers out of their mansions and start executing them like 1798. The governments are just tools of the banks. Banks need to pay.

[DWB]

Nothing to worry about, there is a recovery right around the corner. Oh, and this could never happen somewhere else, it's contained to those smelly, freeloading Europeans. Obama will fix the global economy, just give him time.

</extreme sarcasm>

[SGS]

We have homes and offices in England and Spain. Fuck the EU.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by JFK

Spain and Portugal, if they put as much effort into turning their situation around , as they do into complaining, they would get ahead

The amount of EU money wasted in Spain isn't even funny

[Markul]

That should be SOUTHERNeurope lol, no one is protesting here - at least not until we have to start paying for the lazy fuckers.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by Markul

That should be SOUTHERNeurope lol, no one is protesting here - at least not until we have to start paying for the lazy fuckers.

100% true.

[Dirty F]

Yeah well, the people in those countries preferred not to work for years. Instead they were sitting in the sun eating garlic and onions.
Now all the money is gone.
You have to pay the price for that eventually.
Fuck em.

[SGS]

The Greek government who bullshitted their way into the EU in the first place should be arrested as well.

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

hey try and be a better with the statitics, spain doesnt not have 55% unemployment, amongst the youth yes but not 55% for the nation.

Originally Posted by SGS

The Greek government who bullshitted their way into the EU in the first place should be arrested as well.

[UniqueD]

Originally Posted by JFK

Spain and Portugal, if they put as much effort into turning their situation around , as they do into complaining, they would get ahead

We spend so much time trying to hire skilled workers here in Spain, but no one wants to work! They always want to negotiate working partially form home during the week or some other BS, its incredible.

[Relentless]

1) Many more police will be hired to deal with protests

2) Someone will make a damn good video game where you can play as a protestor or a riot cop.

So, it would seem in at least these two ways the protesters are in fact 'job creators' ;)

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by EriktheRabbit

Perhaps time for them to drag the bankers out of their mansions and start executing them like 1798. The governments are just tools of the banks. Banks need to pay.

Wealth is not in the form of cash sitting in banks, wealth is value created by new services and products privately produced. Banks can take wealth away in the form of fiat currency, but only with the consent and massive help of the governments. If what you wanted to happen, happened, and cash flooded the streets, then bread would be 1,000 euros and it would be the Wymar Republic all over again.... then welcome to either total collapse or dictatorship, or both....


If people want jobs back, they should be demanding that the governments open up markets, lower taxes, fees and vastly reduce regulations on business and labor, and let people go back to creating wealth in order to better their own lives, in whatever way works for them.



However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.


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[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by UniqueD

We spend so much time trying to hire skilled workers here in Spain, but no one wants to work! They always want to negotiate working partially form home during the week or some other BS, its incredible.

Exactly what i'm saying

[Sly]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.


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People seem to think that another persons greed is bad, but their own greed is good. Greed has been turned into an evil word, and sure, people can take advantage of greed and make it very bad. But overall, we need greed. Our own greed and greed of others.

Greed is what pays our bills. It's what creates new and exciting products. It's what propels businesses, economies, and personal successes.

Greed is good.

[sperbonzo]

Nigel Farage.... My favorite politician in the EU.... From October 23rd

[Jman]

21/12/2012

Shit's coming to clean up the mess we're in

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Jman

21/12/2012

Shit's coming to clean up the mess we're in

Nah, not really. A few idiots like Johnnyclips might snap and kill a few people but that's it.
And you wouldn't believe otherwise or you wouldn't be sitting behind gfy right now wasting your time

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Spain and Greece now have 55% and 53% unemployment

Meanwhile we bitch about 10% here in the US. Go figure.

[UniqueD]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Spain and Greece now have 55% and 53% unemployment

I'm not sure where that figure came from but its incorrect. Spain is at 26%, perhaps 55% within a certain age group, 18-30 or something.

[v4 media]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Meanwhile we bitch about 10% here in the US. Go figure.

he got that wrong its 25%, 50%+ for the youth.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by UniqueD

We spend so much time trying to hire skilled workers here in Spain, but no one wants to work! They always want to negotiate working partially form home during the week or some other BS, its incredible.

I've heard the same from my family members, who live in the Canary Islands.

[Sly]

What is the average vacation time for employees in Europe?

I'm dealing more and more with European brokers/companies these days and it seems as if my contacts are on never-ending vacations.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by UniqueD

I'm not sure where that figure came from but its incorrect. Spain is at 26%, perhaps 55% within a certain age group, 18-30 or something.

What difference does it make what the actual % is? Both countries have had retarded unemployment numbers for decades.

I remember the first time I was in Barcelona, woke up and went out in the morning and was instantly struck by how slow everything moved. How slow people moved. Everyone even walking down the street were walking like they had nowhere to go and nowhere to be. That night in my hotel room, I started pulling up their economic data, unemployment numbers and had to laugh. Was pretty clear to me, at least at first glance that there were cultural problems driving unemployment, not legislative.

A lot of Europe is like this. Not saying that people shouldn't slow down and appreciate life, but you can't grow a competitive economy with 30hr work weeks, 2 hr lunch breaks and 2 months a year paid vacation, 6 months+ maternity leave and so on, either... and all with the notion that its government that needs to make it all better while at the same time, hating anyone in a position of authority when at the core, the issue is a nations drive to succeed by rolling up their sleeves and working harder. IF you aren't that nation, if you aren't that culture/society, you ultimately lose to those that are. End of story.

[Kolargol]

It's not really about vacations - people in Finland, Norway, Sweden, Austria have really long vacations there. It's probably not enough if southern Europeans started working more. The countries working longer hours are on top of the least productive ones too. Changing productivity is a process for years not a few months.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Sly

Greed is what pays our bills. It's what creates new and exciting products. It's what propels businesses, economies, and personal successes.Greed is good.

Greed is a fantastic method of generating innovation.
Regulation is a fantastic method of generating stability.
The more necessary something is, the more regulation and less greed we should apply to it.

As a webmaster, getting greedy with some things can lead to much greater profitability. However, getting greedy with necessary things like hosting or domain registrars while risking downtime or the loss of a valuable domain just to save a few dollars per month rarely turns out to be a bright idea. The exact same thing is true on a larger scale.

Necessary market segments like Energy, Security, Banking, Transportation, Basic Healthcare, Food production etc are areas that require very stringent regulation. Other areas of life can be subjected to much more greed and there is plenty of room for greed within the limits set by smart regulation.

Unfettered greed gets you the BP oil spill, the banking meltdown, Enron, card-banging websites, Piracy etc... Intelligently regulated greed is what actually gets you what you want.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

It's not really about vacations - people in Finland, Norway, Sweden, Austria have really long vacations there. It's probably not enough if southern Europeans started working more. The countries working longer hours are on top of the least productive ones too. Changing productivity is a process for years not a few months.

Vacations?

Its about productivity, drive and determination. Where is Finland on the scale of global economic importance? Nowhere. Norway? A tiny country living on massive oil reserves and plentiful, well managed fisheries. What happens in Austria besides skiing and tourism to the worlds shittiest copy of the Palace of Versailles?

Each nation has its own specific circumstances but overall, those who are driven to succeed, those who are aggressive, those who are "greedy", those who are ready and willing to work harder and longer will win against those who aren't. The exceptions aren't the rule. Europe is nothing but a long tale about trying to level the playing field and appease the lowest common denominator. Europe is now paying the price for that.

The USA has had to hear on this forum (and everywhere for that matter) for over many years about how the USA is fucked up and Europe is all awesome, all the time.

Welcome to the 10-15 year cycles, brought to you by undeniable economic and cultural realities.

[k0nr4d]

Maybe im clueless as to how exactly the economy and politics work, but for instance isn't creating jobs as easy as lowering the costs business incur for hiring and running their shit? If there was less fee's and bullshit for hiring someone, i'd be inclined to hire more or pay more.

I'm also not seeing this massive unemployment - it takes me well over a month or usually even two months to find a decent programmer for fulltime work here.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm curious. What jobs do the people want the government to create? And what money do the people want the government to pay those employees with?

I feel like Johnny right now… It may be time to stop looking at the government for answers and start looking at the people for answers instead.

The high unemployement is partly the result of fiscal policies taken by the governement and other european countries.

There is a part of it we can attribute to culture. Everybody north american that worked there told me that everybody was working 'just enough not to lose their jobs'.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

There is a part of it we can attribute to culture. Everybody north american that worked there told me that everybody was working 'just enough not to lose their jobs'.

I get that impression nonstop. It seems like the only ones that really care are the owners.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

The high unemployement is partly the result of fiscal policies taken by the governement and other european countries.

There is a part of it we can attribute to culture. Everybody north american that worked there told me that everybody was working 'just enough not to lose their jobs'.

It's 100% because their governments didn't govern.

[sandman!]

with unemployment so high would it not be easy to replace striking workers ?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by sandman!

with unemployment so high would it not be easy to replace striking workers ?

Hiring and firing regulations won't allow it. In fact it is so difficult to fire people that it is very difficult for young people to get a job at all. No one wants to be stuck with a young person that might not be reliable that you can't fire.





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[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm curious. What jobs do the people want the government to create? And what money do the people want the government to pay those employees with?

I feel like Johnny right now? It may be time to stop looking at the government for answers and start looking at the people for answers instead.

solar energy would be a fantastic example of how a government creates jobs

chinese seem to have figured it out. quite well.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Wealth is not in the form of cash sitting in banks, wealth is value created by new services and products privately produced. Banks can take wealth away in the form of fiat currency, but only with the consent and massive help of the governments. If what you wanted to happen, happened, and cash flooded the streets, then bread would be 1,000 euros and it would be the Wymar Republic all over again.... then welcome to either total collapse or dictatorship, or both....


If people want jobs back, they should be demanding that the governments open up markets, lower taxes, fees and vastly reduce regulations on business and labor, and let people go back to creating wealth in order to better their own lives, in whatever way works for them.



However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.

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Nice !!!

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[sandman!]

those could be changed in a day

i know it wont happen just saying could be changed in a day,

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Hiring and firing regulations won't allow it. In fact it is so difficult to fire people that it is very difficult for young people to get a job at all. No one wants to be stuck with a young person that might not be reliable that you can't fire.





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[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Sly

What is the average vacation time for employees in Europe?

I'm dealing more and more with European brokers/companies these days and it seems as if my contacts are on never-ending vacations.

Europe isn't a country.

[Fabien]

And USA elected OBAMA !!!!

Socialism DOESN'T WORK !
It doesn't work here, it will kill USA too and it's killing Europe !

But people are dumb asses and don't understand a thing about economy. They want everything without having to lift a finger and it's always someone else fault when it's not turning out the way they wanted.

What's happening in Europe, will happen in North America. It has already started anyways...

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by Sly

What is the average vacation time for employees in Europe?

I'm dealing more and more with European brokers/companies these days and it seems as if my contacts are on never-ending vacations.

i would guess 25 days a year, maybe more in france.

[scottybuzz]

they also rasied the IVA in spain which is tax on products, why the fuck would they do that? Now people will spend less.

I already know one family personally that are shutting down their resturant because they can't keep up.

[HushMoney]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Wealth is not in the form of cash sitting in banks, wealth is value created by new services and products privately produced. Banks can take wealth away in the form of fiat currency, but only with the consent and massive help of the governments. If what you wanted to happen, happened, and cash flooded the streets, then bread would be 1,000 euros and it would be the Wymar Republic all over again.... then welcome to either total collapse or dictatorship, or both....


If people want jobs back, they should be demanding that the governments open up markets, lower taxes, fees and vastly reduce regulations on business and labor, and let people go back to creating wealth in order to better their own lives, in whatever way works for them.



However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.


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That's only part of the equation. Central banks, like our federal reserve system suck trillions out of workers hands in the form of taxes to keep paying down interest on money that should belong to the people (thru the gov't). Could you imagine the boon to the economy if we didn't have personal income tax (which we only have in order to pay down the immediate debt of every dollar created by the fed)? Trillions would immediately flow right out to the economy by way of personal spending.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

they also rasied the IVA in spain which is tax on products, why the fuck would they do that? Now people will spend less.

I already know one family personally that are shutting down their resturant because they can't keep up.

Seeing LOADS of shops in Cartagena closing now too.

[CaptainHowdy]

The future is more of the same ...

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Fabien

It doesn't work here, it will kill USA too and it's killing Europe !

But people are dumb asses and don't understand a thing about economy. They want everything without having to lift a finger and it's always someone else fault when it's not turning out the way they wanted.

Says the cry baby blaming everything on other people.