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L-Pink 11-16-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19316582)

Wealth is not in the form of cash sitting in banks, wealth is value created by new services and products privately produced. Banks can take wealth away in the form of fiat currency, but only with the consent and massive help of the governments. If what you wanted to happen, happened, and cash flooded the streets, then bread would be 1,000 euros and it would be the Wymar Republic all over again.... then welcome to either total collapse or dictatorship, or both....


If people want jobs back, they should be demanding that the governments open up markets, lower taxes, fees and vastly reduce regulations on business and labor, and let people go back to creating wealth in order to better their own lives, in whatever way works for them.



However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.

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Nice !!!

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sandman! 11-16-2012 04:48 PM

those could be changed in a day

i know it wont happen just saying could be changed in a day,

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19317421)
Hiring and firing regulations won't allow it. In fact it is so difficult to fire people that it is very difficult for young people to get a job at all. No one wants to be stuck with a young person that might not be reliable that you can't fire.





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Dirty F 11-17-2012 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19316692)
What is the average vacation time for employees in Europe?

I'm dealing more and more with European brokers/companies these days and it seems as if my contacts are on never-ending vacations.

Europe isn't a country.

Fabien 11-17-2012 06:21 AM

And USA elected OBAMA !!!!

Socialism DOESN'T WORK !
It doesn't work here, it will kill USA too and it's killing Europe !

But people are dumb asses and don't understand a thing about economy. They want everything without having to lift a finger and it's always someone else fault when it's not turning out the way they wanted.

What's happening in Europe, will happen in North America. It has already started anyways...

scottybuzz 11-17-2012 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19316692)
What is the average vacation time for employees in Europe?

I'm dealing more and more with European brokers/companies these days and it seems as if my contacts are on never-ending vacations.

i would guess 25 days a year, maybe more in france.

scottybuzz 11-17-2012 06:33 AM

they also rasied the IVA in spain which is tax on products, why the fuck would they do that? Now people will spend less.

I already know one family personally that are shutting down their resturant because they can't keep up.

HushMoney 11-17-2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19316582)
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Wealth is not in the form of cash sitting in banks, wealth is value created by new services and products privately produced. Banks can take wealth away in the form of fiat currency, but only with the consent and massive help of the governments. If what you wanted to happen, happened, and cash flooded the streets, then bread would be 1,000 euros and it would be the Wymar Republic all over again.... then welcome to either total collapse or dictatorship, or both....


If people want jobs back, they should be demanding that the governments open up markets, lower taxes, fees and vastly reduce regulations on business and labor, and let people go back to creating wealth in order to better their own lives, in whatever way works for them.



However, I predict that this will not happen, of course. You have several generations of people convinced that government creates wealth and that government creates jobs, and provides for the general welfare, and that private companies are only out for self profit.... as if profit was a bad thing. They never seem to realize that a company only profits by providing goods and services that people want, need, and are willing to pay for. BOTH sides profit from this.


.:2 cents:

That's only part of the equation. Central banks, like our federal reserve system suck trillions out of workers hands in the form of taxes to keep paying down interest on money that should belong to the people (thru the gov't). Could you imagine the boon to the economy if we didn't have personal income tax (which we only have in order to pay down the immediate debt of every dollar created by the fed)? Trillions would immediately flow right out to the economy by way of personal spending. :2 cents:

SGS 11-17-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19318174)
they also rasied the IVA in spain which is tax on products, why the fuck would they do that? Now people will spend less.

I already know one family personally that are shutting down their resturant because they can't keep up.

Seeing LOADS of shops in Cartagena closing now too.

CaptainHowdy 11-17-2012 07:38 AM

The future is more of the same ...

helterskelter808 11-17-2012 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 19318159)
It doesn't work here, it will kill USA too and it's killing Europe !

But people are dumb asses and don't understand a thing about economy. They want everything without having to lift a finger and it's always someone else fault when it's not turning out the way they wanted.

Says the cry baby blaming everything on other people.

crockett 11-17-2012 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by UniqueD (Post 19316679)
I'm not sure where that figure came from but its incorrect. Spain is at 26%, perhaps 55% within a certain age group, 18-30 or something.

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18-30 is the most important work force a country has. If these people can not find work now then your future is very bleak and the protesters are right.. :2 cents:

halfpint 11-17-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19315855)
hey try and be a better with the statitics, spain doesnt not have 55% unemployment, amongst the youth yes but not 55% for the nation.

yep you are right that 55% is for youth unemployment my bad

scottybuzz 11-17-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19318189)
Seeing LOADS of shops in Cartagena closing now too.

Depressing.

I am in BCN where, actually things are "ok". I imagine in the south things are 10x worse than here.

fatfoo 11-17-2012 01:49 PM

? Spain and Greece now have 55% and 53% unemployment? ? these numbers are frightening. They should fix the situation somehow.


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