squirters.tv website, do you think they own the license for all those DVD movies?! - GoFuckYourself.com

NoCarrier · 01-29-2003, 04:33 PM

http://www.squirters.tv

I want to promote the site, but I have serious doubts about the legality of the movies hosted. Anyone know where he got those movies from? Like a major DVD provider!? I need your opinion on this..

Thanks..

p00p · 01-29-2003, 05:09 PM

Wow!

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 05:09 PM

dunno. but the first clue i look for when i think somebody is using unlicensed content is the lack of a 2257 notice on their site, majority of legit business people know its the smart thing to do and since they get the custodian of record info with a web license
they're happy to publish it on their website.

90% of the non streamed movies online are stolen.

people are being sued as we speak, more are coming.

playa · 01-29-2003, 05:12 PM

hard to say just by screen caps
adult legal sells lots of different dvd's

if you looking for a movie site to promote
then check out
www.teenfantasy.net

i think the tours are hell of alot better anyways

NoCarrier · 01-29-2003, 05:18 PM

Well, the first thing is that this is a female ejaculation movie paysite. And believe me, female ejaculation content is extremely hard to find. Try to find exclusive DVD quality female ejaculation movies and you will see why I think that this paysite is using stolen ripped dvd movies.

Plugger · 01-29-2003, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
the lack of a 2257 notice on their site

I cannot count the times I have used 2257 as a way to get stolen content taken down and reach a settlement. Most people shit when they get a letter from a lawyer about copyright, and the lack of 2257 really drives the point home

p00p · 01-29-2003, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
Well, the first thing is that this is a female ejaculation movie paysite. And believe me, female ejaculation content is extremely hard to find. Try to find exclusive DVD quality female ejaculation movies and you will see why I think that this paysite is using stolen ripped dvd movies.

My first impression was that it was stolen. Like you said, that content is hard to find. And if you find it, I would imagine the cost would be extremely high.

On the other hand, if it is stolen, this guy has balls. He is using real title names in his tour. Do a Google Groups search on his titles, and it looks like they are genuine movies from different producers. Either he stole it, he has tons of money, or he worked a deal out with someone.

Why not e-mail him and ask?

NoCarrier · 01-29-2003, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p

Why not e-mail him and ask?

I did e-mail him, waiting for the reply. But you know, do you think he's going to say "No, it's stolen content, good luck with my paysite promotion"?

Anyway, I asked him to give some feedback about the license (2257 information). Can't wait for the reply.

p00p · 01-29-2003, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier

I did e-mail him, waiting for the reply. But you know, do you think he's going to say "No, it's stolen content, good luck with my paysite promotion"?

Anyway, I asked him to give some feedback about the license (2257 information). Can't wait for the reply.

You could probably judge the legality of his site by his response.
Keep us posted, if you hear back from him.

If not, why not rip his site and run it yourself under another domain name? It is not like he can go to a lawyer and say 'This guy stole the content I stole'.

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 08:44 PM

dude, that he has the balls to actually use the real titles suggests nothing, walk into some of these sites and many of them do it. Brazen little thieves. Or just real stupid.

Post some titles and the producers and I'll be able to tell if he's legit or not.

Adult Legal is about the only source for bulk quality DVD titles.

NoCarrier · 01-29-2003, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
dude, that he has the balls to actually use the real titles suggests nothing, walk into some of these sites and many of them do it. Brazen little thieves. Or just real stupid.

Post some titles and the producers and I'll be able to tell if he's legit or not.

Adult Legal is about the only source for bulk quality DVD titles.

Some DVD titles :

'Rainwoman 10'

Producer: Coast to Coast

'Girls Cum Too'

Producer: Five Star DVD

'Gushing Gashes'

Producer: Shooting Star

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 08:50 PM

i don't see any documentation on Teenfantasy.net either. Doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have licenses but ..........

Adult Legal doesn't even report to the producers who signed deals with them who licensed their content, what URL's are licensed............I'm not even sure Adult Legal has real time stats for its content providers. Ouinique does. At least you can follow whether you're making sales with some stats.

Gamelink, AEBN, producers can log in and see real time sales reporting.

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 08:51 PM

http://www.adultlegal.com

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 08:56 PM

Gushing Gashes is on Adult Legal. The other two aren't.

playa · 01-29-2003, 09:16 PM

i am gonna assume that adult-legal doesn't need real time stats
since they send you the DVD's with the shrink wrapped dvd covers

unless of course they are duplicating and packing it themselves,

as far as i know Adult Legal is the only company that sells DVD's for content and at around $300 a movie it seems very fair to me

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 09:24 PM

i think the price is fair. and the movies are superior to what's available on 90% or more of the plugin feeds, so you put out the investment and use your own cheap bandwidth and it pays off.

If you're a producer whose movies are being licensed I think it would be good to see online sales reporting(though we know that doesn't really mean everything), the thing they need to know is WHO and some URL's that belong to the licensee. Cuz with the massive amount of illegal content out there, a producer should be able to look up and find out if this or that paysite has a license for his movies.

Rawz · 01-29-2003, 10:08 PM

Half those movies are 5 -7 years old and arent even available on dvd .....

bigdog · 01-29-2003, 10:13 PM

i thought it was $300 to stream the movie and $500 if you want surfers to download the movie

bigdog · 01-29-2003, 10:15 PM

hey mutt where can i buy gamelink dvd content?

Muff · 01-29-2003, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
i don't see any documentation on Teenfantasy.net either. Doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have licenses but ..........

Adult Legal doesn't even report to the producers who signed deals with them who licensed their content, what URL's are licensed............I'm not even sure Adult Legal has real time stats for its content providers. Ouinique does. At least you can follow whether you're making sales with some stats.

Gamelink, AEBN, producers can log in and see real time sales reporting.

Actually they do report who signed the deals but the studios don't get anything except a business name an owners name. Even at that its on a standard content license.

As far as 2257's go I would prefer other webmasters didn't know where my content is licenesed from. For obvious reasons.

Mutt · 01-29-2003, 10:27 PM

you can't buy Gamelink DVD's. Gamelink has a deal with the studios where they split the VOD money, so does AEBN and I assume Dreamzotic. I was talking to Mike South the video guy and he couldn't speak highly enough about AEBN.

many of the Gamelink titles you can license from Adult Legal.

What good is just the business name to a video producer when he surfs the Net and finds his movies on tons of paysites? Go whois the domain registrations and see the nonsense people fill out. I do it myself on my domains. So the video studios are working blind when it comes to all this.

Muff · 01-29-2003, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
What good is just the business name to a video producer when he surfs the Net and finds his movies on tons of paysites? Go whois the domain registrations and see the nonsense people fill out. I do it myself on my domains. So the video studios are working blind when it comes to all this.

I agree. A nice maintained database for content producers to easily browse and see where their content is and info on who is using it would be a great tool. Possibly even run by a private company charging a fee for producers could be a profitable venture.

NoCarrier · 01-30-2003, 04:11 AM

LOL! I have just received the e-mail from the webmaster of squirters.tv

"They are fully licensed, but for commercial reasons I can't disclose content providers. It's not necessary information for affiliates."

notjoe · 01-30-2003, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
LOL! I have just received the e-mail from the webmaster of squirters.tv

"They are fully licensed, but for commercial reasons I can't disclose content providers. It's not necessary information for affiliates."

Call Coast 2 Coast up and ask them if they've licensed content out to any websites. You'll get your answers from them!

NoCarrier · 01-30-2003, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe

Call Coast 2 Coast up and ask them if they've licensed content out to any websites. You'll get your answers from them!

I couldn't find it, if anyone can find "Coast to Coast" contact information, I'll contact them

Thanks.

NoCarrier · 01-31-2003, 01:35 PM

Well, it's a good thing I didn't start promoting them, their site seems offline. I don't know if they got scared.

cafeaulait · 01-31-2003, 02:00 PM

Its back up now
Looks the same.

I just sent him the GFY thread ID, only fair he has his say.

G

Meteoseek · 01-31-2003, 02:42 PM

All DVD's on SQUIRTERS.TV are fully licensed, but as I said before, for commercial reasons I wouldn't disclose the source.

Meteoseek · 01-31-2003, 03:02 PM

BTW: Just to make things clear... I have terminated your account, so legitimacy question must be not important to you anymore.

Dveron · 01-31-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Meteoseek
BTW: Just to make things clear... I have terminated your account, so legitimacy question must be not important to you anymore.

Ouch. Why would you terminate him for asking a legitimate question about you content?

NoCarrier · 01-31-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron

Ouch. Why would you terminate him for asking a legitimate question about you content?

That's because he is an honest and friendly person.

Dveron · 01-31-2003, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier

That's because he is an honest and friendly person.

You must have hit a nerve

Mutt · 01-31-2003, 03:46 PM

this sounds like bullshit, 'for commercial reasons i can't disclose the source'. This ain't custom content you paid somebody to have made and you don't want competition. That's understandable. These are videos that have the name of the company who owns them on it. So you either have a license from Coast2Coast Video or somebody acting as a broker/agent on their behalf.

So what is it?

If you get in contact with Coast2Coast post their response here.

I get this all the time, these morons think that because Deluxe Pass says they have licenses for DVD content it gives them a license as well to do whatever they want with the DVD content.
I see all this DVD movie content licensed by Adult Legal, well the legit stuff anyway, and it's being used by programs for hosted galleries. That's just not right. No content producer would approve that usage, no content producer would allow Adult Legal to license to DeluxePass if Adult Legal informed them what the deal is over at Deluxe Pass. They're sub licensing videos, it doesn't matter whether they have a license, they are exploiting it and none of these video studios know about it.

Brokers suck, i stick by that. The ONLY thing that matters to a broker is making a sale to make a commission from. A content producer of course wants sales too - but not at any price.

wrong, wrong, wrong.

Meteoseek · 01-31-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron

Ouch. Why would you terminate him for asking a legitimate question about you content?

Because he already got response yesterday by email - I told him that my site content is legal. He also asked about conversion and retention rates - and he got responses to these questions too. He mails again and asks me where I got these DVD's. I have a right not disclose the source, because it's not his business. Still don't believes, and post rumors here even not letting know me about this thread. Today my host stars receive emails from APIC WORLDWIDE based on hotmail asking to 'remove videos'. I simply don't want to deal with such kind of person for his annoyance and profanity.

Willf · 01-31-2003, 04:45 PM

Nice move Meteoseek. Really intelligent.

I have been promoting this site but don't think I will bother anymore if this is the kind of attitude he has.

If he closes accounts for asking legitimate questions what kind of stunts is he going to pull when it comes to paying out ?

cafeaulait · 01-31-2003, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier

I did e-mail him, waiting for the reply. But you know, do you think he's going to say "No, it's stolen content, good luck with my paysite promotion"?

Anyway, I asked him to give some feedback about the license (2257 information). Can't wait for the reply.

You should have WAITED for the reply BEFORE taking it to the boards.

People are too quick to run to the boards these days without all the facts first.

NoCarrier · 01-31-2003, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cafeaulait

You should have WAITED for the reply BEFORE taking it to the boards.

People are too quick to run to the boards these days without all the facts first.

I never said it was stolen content, I asked for opinions. And he never proved it was legal content so far. I sent e-mails to Apic and to the producers. I am waiting for the replies.

cafeaulait · 02-17-2003, 07:35 AM

No Carrier, What happened to this?

G

NoCarrier · 02-17-2003, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cafeaulait
No Carrier, What happened to this?

G

I sent an email to APIC. I am still waiting for an answer.

01-29-2003, 04:33 PM	#1
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	squirters.tv website, do you think they own the license for all those DVD movies?! http://www.squirters.tv I want to promote the site, but I have serious doubts about the legality of the movies hosted. Anyone know where he got those movies from? Like a major DVD provider!? I need your opinion on this.. Thanks.. __________________

01-29-2003, 05:09 PM	#3
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	dunno. but the first clue i look for when i think somebody is using unlicensed content is the lack of a 2257 notice on their site, majority of legit business people know its the smart thing to do and since they get the custodian of record info with a web license they're happy to publish it on their website. 90% of the non streamed movies online are stolen. people are being sued as we speak, more are coming. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 05:18 PM	#5
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Well, the first thing is that this is a female ejaculation movie paysite. And believe me, female ejaculation content is extremely hard to find. Try to find exclusive DVD quality female ejaculation movies and you will see why I think that this paysite is using stolen ripped dvd movies. __________________ Last edited by NoCarrier; 01-29-2003 at 05:21 PM..

01-29-2003, 08:44 PM	#10
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	dude, that he has the balls to actually use the real titles suggests nothing, walk into some of these sites and many of them do it. Brazen little thieves. Or just real stupid. Post some titles and the producers and I'll be able to tell if he's legit or not. Adult Legal is about the only source for bulk quality DVD titles. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 08:50 PM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i don't see any documentation on Teenfantasy.net either. Doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have licenses but .......... Adult Legal doesn't even report to the producers who signed deals with them who licensed their content, what URL's are licensed............I'm not even sure Adult Legal has real time stats for its content providers. Ouinique does. At least you can follow whether you're making sales with some stats. Gamelink, AEBN, producers can log in and see real time sales reporting. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 05:09 PM	#2
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	Wow!

01-29-2003, 05:12 PM	#4
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	hard to say just by screen caps adult legal sells lots of different dvd's if you looking for a movie site to promote then check out www.teenfantasy.net i think the tours are hell of alot better anyways

01-29-2003, 08:51 PM	#13
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	http://www.adultlegal.com __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 08:56 PM	#14
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Gushing Gashes is on Adult Legal. The other two aren't. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 09:16 PM	#15
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	i am gonna assume that adult-legal doesn't need real time stats since they send you the DVD's with the shrink wrapped dvd covers unless of course they are duplicating and packing it themselves, as far as i know Adult Legal is the only company that sells DVD's for content and at around $300 a movie it seems very fair to me

01-29-2003, 09:24 PM	#16
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i think the price is fair. and the movies are superior to what's available on 90% or more of the plugin feeds, so you put out the investment and use your own cheap bandwidth and it pays off. If you're a producer whose movies are being licensed I think it would be good to see online sales reporting(though we know that doesn't really mean everything), the thing they need to know is WHO and some URL's that belong to the licensee. Cuz with the massive amount of illegal content out there, a producer should be able to look up and find out if this or that paysite has a license for his movies. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-29-2003, 10:08 PM	#17
Rawz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 288	Half those movies are 5 -7 years old and arent even available on dvd .....

01-29-2003, 10:13 PM	#18
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i thought it was $300 to stream the movie and $500 if you want surfers to download the movie

01-29-2003, 10:15 PM	#19
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	hey mutt where can i buy gamelink dvd content?

01-29-2003, 10:27 PM	#21
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	you can't buy Gamelink DVD's. Gamelink has a deal with the studios where they split the VOD money, so does AEBN and I assume Dreamzotic. I was talking to Mike South the video guy and he couldn't speak highly enough about AEBN. many of the Gamelink titles you can license from Adult Legal. What good is just the business name to a video producer when he surfs the Net and finds his movies on tons of paysites? Go whois the domain registrations and see the nonsense people fill out. I do it myself on my domains. So the video studios are working blind when it comes to all this. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-30-2003, 04:11 AM	#23
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	LOL! I have just received the e-mail from the webmaster of squirters.tv "They are fully licensed, but for commercial reasons I can't disclose content providers. It's not necessary information for affiliates." __________________

01-31-2003, 01:35 PM	#26
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Well, it's a good thing I didn't start promoting them, their site seems offline. I don't know if they got scared. __________________

01-31-2003, 02:00 PM	#27
cafeaulait Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 587	Its back up now Looks the same. I just sent him the GFY thread ID, only fair he has his say. G Last edited by cafeaulait; 01-31-2003 at 02:03 PM..

01-31-2003, 02:42 PM	#28
Meteoseek Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 162	All DVD's on SQUIRTERS.TV are fully licensed, but as I said before, for commercial reasons I wouldn't disclose the source.

01-31-2003, 03:02 PM	#29
Meteoseek Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 162	BTW: Just to make things clear... I have terminated your account, so legitimacy question must be not important to you anymore.

01-31-2003, 03:46 PM	#33
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	this sounds like bullshit, 'for commercial reasons i can't disclose the source'. This ain't custom content you paid somebody to have made and you don't want competition. That's understandable. These are videos that have the name of the company who owns them on it. So you either have a license from Coast2Coast Video or somebody acting as a broker/agent on their behalf. So what is it? If you get in contact with Coast2Coast post their response here. I get this all the time, these morons think that because Deluxe Pass says they have licenses for DVD content it gives them a license as well to do whatever they want with the DVD content. I see all this DVD movie content licensed by Adult Legal, well the legit stuff anyway, and it's being used by programs for hosted galleries. That's just not right. No content producer would approve that usage, no content producer would allow Adult Legal to license to DeluxePass if Adult Legal informed them what the deal is over at Deluxe Pass. They're sub licensing videos, it doesn't matter whether they have a license, they are exploiting it and none of these video studios know about it. Brokers suck, i stick by that. The ONLY thing that matters to a broker is making a sale to make a commission from. A content producer of course wants sales too - but not at any price. wrong, wrong, wrong. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-31-2003, 04:45 PM	#35
Willf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 42	Nice move Meteoseek. Really intelligent. I have been promoting this site but don't think I will bother anymore if this is the kind of attitude he has. If he closes accounts for asking legitimate questions what kind of stunts is he going to pull when it comes to paying out ?

02-17-2003, 07:35 AM	#38
cafeaulait Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 587	No Carrier, What happened to this? G