500 Euro in what case - when you earn 10.000 Euro a month or more?

and you're sure that this is the fault of the EU and not previous governments spending more than they took in?

anyways - people easily blame the EU and totally forget that a huge part of our wealth and freedom today is a result of the EU

Let Texas go ,they receive more fed dollars than they pay in. And when they have to bankroll their own military.

It's not only the South, And I never said All.

I wish the right and left would pull their heads out of their asses.

GOPers are now like little babies crying: "Mom, they took my candy!!!!! " :1orglaugh
Time to accept reality!

Bill Maher does realize that Canada is currently lead by a conservative government doesn't he?

Shifting to more "progressive" thinking in not necessarily a good thing. California is arguably the most progressive state in the US and it will likely be the first to collapse under all of it's own bloated weight bringing the rest of the country down with it. All of the so called progress will be lost when the economy ceases to function.

I was talking progressive more along social lines. I think a balance of both approaches is needed to for economic success.

Progressive versus regressive is the new liberal versus conservative.
Cat's out of the bag on that.

I think you will find a collapsed economy to be far more regressive than any conservative politician or policy could ever be.

Don't think it's so much that he's black as socialism is only popular in certain areas of the US and you know damn well if obama and a lot of democrats could pull it off they would take everyones income and just issue people an allowance in the name of "fairness"

So if one state decides to go to war with another state, which side will the mighty US army take????

Yeah, it's cause he's black. When these same tea-bagging assholes jumped on the "Cain Train" during the Republican primaries, it was only a clever ruse to hide the fact that they actually hate black folks!

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A state doesn't have that power. A state has no standing army outside of city/county police forces. They have no ability to wage war unless you mean some sort of militia movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokenism

You're welcome.

:)

Above a 100k a year yes, but 500 euro is still a lot of money no?
Instead of spending it on healthcare I could also bought content from you :thumbsup

I am not saying it is all the fault of the EU because it is just way to complicated and thus not thru but I did change from a Pro EU into a Anti EU the last years.

I mean look at the recent budget of the EU, they over-spent like 6% and now demand each state is paying up. I believe the dutch said we should just take the 6% off next years budget.

I think the ideology of the EU was nice but seems to be unmanageable, at least with today's policies and treaties.

So by that logic Obama is the Democrats token black person, Hillary is their token woman and Harry Reid is their token Mormon. How inclusive of them.

Your statement would be true if the Democrats did not have tons of Blacks and women
in the political party from the top all they way down to delegates and vote organizers.

Herman Cain is the only brown dude at his rally.

:1orglaugh

Maybe that's because all of the blacks voting for Obama actually believe all of the Democrat BS that Republicans all hate black people. That and maybe black Democrats are racist and hate white people.

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I say dump the deep south. They are dead weight.

Well the history is that after the Democrats supported integration in the 1960's;
angry democrats left the party and became republican and began to run their
campaigns on anti-integration, anti-affirmative action and welfare-blame platforms.

Black people are not stupid enough to vote for that.

But call it what you want and enjoy your fantasy.

If Germany and France go to war with each other, what side will England take?

I think he means if they secede and become their own countries, then went to war with each other.

Actually it was Democrats who tried to filibuster the civil rights act and more Democrats voted against it than did Republicans.

And that whole Dixiecrat thing is just more lies:

The Dixiecrat Myth

The Democrat Race Lie

National Black Republican Association

You just accused every white person who voted for Obama of "tokenism." Congratulations. :thumbsup

Nice try attempting to weasel out of that accusation based on higher melanin counts at rallies.

Speaking of "history" (1861?1865)

http://0.tqn.com/d/history1800s/1/0/...n-1865-400.jpg

Anyone who blindly votes for a politician based on his/her party's "history" is a fucking douche. :2 cents:

Let's make one thing perfectly clear, I did not vote for idiots with crazy ideas, fuck history.


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Well ok then. :thumbsup I can respect that. :2 cents:

The economy has been in recovery for years, despite the doom and gloom mongers' seeming obsession with saying otherwise. Even the housing market is coming back. How near is the end? Are we Greece yet? lmao.. such bs.

ain't that the fuckin' truth!

it will never work. This is what caused the civil war
ds

LOL.

NOBODY is going to be able to secede from the union. Last time that was tried...the Confederate States Of America was attacked and destroyed by the union.

Yes, states TECHNICALLY can leave the "union"...but let's face it, the federal govt. is the most powerful thing in the U.S. at the moment. And nobody is going to be allowed to leave the "union" under any circumstances EVER.

Roaches check in, but they don't check out. heh-heh

Lincoln didn't give a shit about a slave. :2 cents:

The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the rebelling states and each was
promised that they could keep slavery if they returned to the union.

That MoFo had no choice but to end slavery because no rebelling state complied
and rejoined to the union.

Republicans were the liberal party for many decades.

He supported freeing the slaves so that they could be sent to build the Panama Canal. It would have been a boon for northern trade, but cripple the south's agriculture industry. This type of north vs south political maneuvering exists to this day.

Correction : On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation
and that is what I should have referred to instead of the final Emancipation Proclamation.

Not Greece yet. But that's just because there is a general feeling out there that the US is too big to fail. The reality is that the US is too broke to continue.

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/de...-trillion.html

Are you insinuating that the Republicans were the force that championed civil rights in the mid-1960s? Or trying to suggest that the Republican Party has done a damn thing for the cause of civil rights other than to use it as a wedge issue since 1968 until the present day? Is that what you're doing?

Please go to google and type “Lyndon Johnson” followed by “Civil Rights”.

Then consult google by typing “Richard Nixon” and “Southern Strategy” in the same search.

Black folks know that history intimately. They have voted for the Democratic Party overwhelmingly - in the North and South both - for half a century based on that history. Or do you really think that you have some special, hidden insight into the truth, and 94 percent of African-Americans have been “tricked” into supporting the wrong political party?

No, I didn't insinuate that they championed it. I simply said that more Democrats opposed it than Republicans.

As for what Republicans have done regarding civil rights since then, there are some good examples on that link I posted above: http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

I'm not saying there aren't any racist Republicans. There are. Just like there are racist Democrats. Both white and black.

But, hey, if black people want to keep voting based on what Nixon did in the past, even if it isn't necessarily in their best interest in the present, then I guess that's their choice. Just seems a little ridiculous to not vote based on the more important issues of the day.

Accusing black people of being a little ridiculous and not voting on important issues
is not racist in anyway and anyone claiming so is completely racist.

:1orglaugh

True .. They could setup chinese style sweatshops to manufacture the goods for Walmart :2 cents:

there are people in london who want london to be an independent country

france.
this has been proven twice, wat is your point?

You do know that because of the way Congress works, the large Democratic majorities in both houses at that time mean that it was Democratic committee chairs and whips and majority leaders who were the shepherds of all of that legislation, acting on President Johnson’s direct instruction? They maneuvered it to the floor, they bartered the votes, they engineered the victory.

You do know that “Dixiecrats” were called that to distinguish them from the rest of the party and that these legislators would not exist as Democrats much beyond 1968? Lyndon Johnson repudiated the Dixiecrats, knowing it would cost his party power and votes for the longterm. He did so anyway because the views of the Dixiecrats were a plague upon the American future. Just like the Republican party of today.

You do know that every Republican politician of the ensuing half century with national ambitions has used Johnson’s triumph and the shadow of racial politics both as wedges to draw white votes and Southern states to their cause. You do know the name Lee Atwater? Karl Rove? Willie Horton? You’ve heard of welfare queens with Cadillacs?

Are you being serious right now? Are you trying to tell us that the Republican party is responsive to anything but the aspirations of rich white people, and lunatic fringe evangelicals? Why in the fuck would black people vote for a political party that has an entire wing - the teabaggers - complicit in marrying the party to overtly paranoid and racist stances when it comes to such things as the birther bullshit? Why would they vote for the party that was caught red-handed using voter suppression tactics in African-American urban communities? Are you really trying to tell us that it is in their best interest to vote Republican? That it is in ANYONE'S best interest to vote Republican - women, gays, latinos, the middle and working class, etc. etc. Republican policy positions and rhetoric have succeeded in driving every minority and plurality in the electorate out of the GOP camp, that is what happened in this election in case you didn't follow it.

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Up from 15 to 20...lol http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...190210006.html

Valid point.

you're an ungrateful simpleton. Lincoln was against slavery, his first job as President was to save the Union and why he didn't abolish slavery everywhere - sorry if real life and history isn't a Disney movie. you're only right in that Lincoln put saving the country ahead of ending slavery. if he'd have lost the war there might still be slaves in the South.

here are Lincoln's personal thoughts


"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."

It was a rhetorical question.

he kicked ass as a vampire slayer tho :2 cents:

I like the idea of Predator drones taking out rednecks in Mississippi.

yes true,

i kind of guessed that, but i am stuck.

say two states did go against each other, which would USa support? hense why i didnt think your original point was sarcastic.

scared, racist idiots.