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DWB 11-10-2012 09:59 AM
Those old school vets are hard asses on another level. Legendary tough.

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305922)
I was talking to a Canadian friend last night. He chuckled about what I said, but in the end he agreed.

The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth? for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

When shit hits the fan? Not if? When? There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France? We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want? But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

So, allies of the United States? When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
The Ottoman, Persian, British, and Roman Empires come to mind when I read your post. Enjoy it while it lasts. :thumbsup

Sly 11-10-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19305995)
Those old school vets are hard asses on another level. Legendary tough.



The Ottoman, Persian, British, and Roman Empires come to mind when I read your post. Enjoy it while it lasts. :thumbsup
Unlike you, I actually like it here. So I will enjoy it. No problem. :winkwink:

TheSquealer 11-10-2012 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305922)
Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
Here's how it works. Your friend needs money. He's in trouble. He asks you for money. He borrows the money. Then it's time to pay it back. He can't. He starts dodging your phone calls, has excuses, avoids you and the final move is always the same... He convinces himself that you're a dick head and you don't deserve to be paid back and no debt exists. Then, anytime your name comes up, he tells everyone what a cocksucker you are.

It's usually ones own sense of shame causin him to act out in this respect.

France for example, has been shamed by most nations militarily, hence they're a bunch of twats. Even in their occupation of Vietnam and in what could be described as ome of the greatest displays pf military ineptitude, their final move was to position the bulk of their troops in a valley, fully exposed to and surrounded by 4000+ Vietnamese troops hiding in their massive tunnel complexes in the surrounding hills. They either have to believe everyone else is a fucktard, or that they themselves are. Much easier and certainly gentler on the ego, to point the finger outward, than inward.

Giving away food, money, medicine and military support more often than not, produces resentment, as it reminds all nations of exactly who and what they are, where they stand in the global pecking order and of their debt to and/or their reliance on others. That is why Iran makes a fake offer of assistance to the US which is refused each time when there is a disaster and why the US makes a fake offer of assistance to Iran which is refused each time they have a disaster.

baddog 11-10-2012 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19305978)
so how about a constructive reply instead of trollbaiting? :winkwink:
Only if I can borrow your crystal ball that has you convinced there is no need for a massive military.

DWB 11-10-2012 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305998)
Unlike you, I actually like it here. So I will enjoy it. No problem. :winkwink:
I never said I didn't like it there. I just found life can be a lot better (in every way) elsewhere.

But like it or not, my point still stands. The American Empire will eventually fall just like every empire before it. If history has taught us nothing else, it has taught us that. At just over 200 years old, it is incredible naive and arrogant to think the USA will remain the world's superpower and world police forever. And unless serious changes are made ASAP, it probably will not be much longer at the rate they are piling on debt. But even then, the empire still won't last forever.

Sly 11-10-2012 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19306025)
I never said I didn't like it there. I just found life can be a lot better (in every way) elsewhere.

But like it or not, my point still stands. The American Empire will eventually fall just like every empire before it. If history has taught us nothing else, it has taught us that. At just over 200 years old, it is incredible naive and arrogant to think the USA will remain the world's superpower and world police forever. And unless serious changes are made ASAP, it probably will not be much longer at the rate they are piling on debt. But even then, the empire still won't last forever.
Oh, I don't disagree with you. What goes up, must come down. While it's up, I agree with fighting to keep it there.

DWB 11-10-2012 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19306022)
Only if I can borrow your crystal ball that has you convinced there is no need for a massive military.
I doubt a "massive" military is really needed. A large one, one capable of defending the nation, is all that is needed. We don't need over 100 bases around the world. History has already shown us how that ends, but they do it anyway thinking this time it will be different as they run out of money and pile on debt to keep the war machine moving. It is pure insanity driven by white mans greed and lust for power. If the USA just focused on defending itself, as did everyone else, the world would be a much better place. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, so debating it is a waste of time. It will end when the money ends. Not a day sooner.

Harmon 11-10-2012 10:45 AM
Grandpas rock... fitty dead corpses... bump

Kolargol 11-10-2012 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305922)
I was talking to a Canadian friend last night. He chuckled about what I said, but in the end he agreed.

The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth? for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

When shit hits the fan? Not if? When? There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France? We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want? But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

So, allies of the United States? When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
Great post :thumbsup

Kolargol 11-10-2012 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19305068)
They fought to further enslave us :2 cents:

The point is not to fight. You are fighting people who if you got to know you'd like
I know, you're dumb, yet you can, I suppose, see the difference between sitting at you moms basement at your computer and being slaughtered by Germans at a concentration camp along with ALL your family? Maybe after all there was a good reason for them to fight?

MaDalton 11-10-2012 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305989)
I'm not really all that convinced of this. I am not a China and Russia fearmonger. I don't think a war would happen easily. It would take a lot. But discounting the sheer size of the Chinese military (we can't forget India and North Korea, they are strong Chinese allies with massive militaries as well) doesn't make sense to me. And the willingness of Russians military cannot be discounted either.

Even so. We don't need a war with China or Russia to need a large military. The "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven this. You split up your forces and you have serious, serious problems.

All it would take is a battle of some sort in South America, which is totally possible, and a battle of some sort in Africa/Asia, again totally possible. Now you have troops, supplies, equipment, commanders, and logistics 20,000 miles away from each other.

I'm all for technology. I want more of it. And I want it better. But shrinking our 1.4 million strong military does not make that much sense to me. Which of our allies has a similar military size? Any of them?

Now let's talk about our "non-allies." China, over 2 million. India, over 1 million. Iran, 500,000. North Korea, over 1 million. Russia, over 1 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tary_personnel
Click the down arrow by active military.

Of the top 10, the only other Western ally is Korea, and their size is only a third of ours.

ok, let's agree we disagree on this :winkwink:

i just think that nowadays economic ties are much stronger than a disagreement that causes a world war that involves millions of soldiers (which can easily ended by using nuclear weapons and then we're all fucked anyways).

just think about it:

without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products

without India who will do your callcenters? :winkwink:

Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse

there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.

baddog 11-10-2012 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19306032)
I doubt a "massive" military is really needed. A large one, one capable of defending the nation, is all that is needed. We don't need over 100 bases around the world. History has already shown us how that ends,
Guess I missed it, how does it end?

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If the USA just focused on defending itself, as did everyone else, the world would be a much better place. But that's not going to happen anytime soon,
I can't argue with you there, but it seems everyone expects the USA to defend the underdog and whenever we don't get involved everyone gets up in arms that we are just sitting idly by.

Can't win for losing. :2 cents:

Sly 11-10-2012 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306123)
ok, let's agree we disagree on this :winkwink:

i just think that nowadays economic ties are much stronger than a disagreement that causes a world war that involves millions of soldiers (which can easily ended by using nuclear weapons and then we're all fucked anyways).

just think about it:

without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products

without India who will do your callcenters? :winkwink:

Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse

there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.
We aren't really disagreeing, I agree with you on China and Russia. It would take a lot, but I don't believe that it's "not" possible.

However, like I said, Iraq and Afghanistan. That killed our military. Two wars is tough, and both of those wars were against countries with a crippled or nonexistent economy and military. Fire up two more wars like that, three, we have the same problem.

We already have proof of this within the last 12 years. I'm not sure how anyone can deny the need based on the proof we have just seen.

Now we can go on to say "so just don't have two wars!"? It's impossible to predict the future. I would rather be prepared. I believe we can do it cheaper, so I'm definitely not opposed to budgetary cuts. I'm fine with size though.

Sly 11-10-2012 11:49 AM
North Korea. Definitely possible.

Iran. Definitely possible.

That's a 3 million strong military right there, defending their home turf may as well triple the power of those 3 million.

MaDalton 11-10-2012 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19306141)
North Korea. Definitely possible.

Iran. Definitely possible.

That's a 3 million strong military right there, defending their home turf may as well triple the power of those 3 million.
North Korea - we all know how this ended last time

Iran - i doubt you can deploy 1 million foot soldiers there and win anything

Iraq - the war was built on a lie and we all know that now

Afghanistan - if there was ever something to learn from Russia then that you cant win a war there

i think the basic solution is: leave others alone that want to be left alone

but i also know that this only works in a dream world.

Sly 11-10-2012 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306154)
North Korea - we all know how this ended last time

Iran - i doubt you can deploy 1 million foot soldiers there and win anything

Iraq - the war was built on a lie and we all know that now

Afghanistan - if there was ever something to learn from Russia then that you cant win a war there

i think the basic solution is: leave others alone that want to be left alone

but i also know that this only works in a dream world.
I prefer to be realistic. :winkwink:

helterskelter808 11-10-2012 12:49 PM
We spend almost as much on the military as the rest of the world put together, including our allies. If we include friendly countries, we probably account for 90% of the world's military power. Where the fuck is the threat that you lunatics are imagining?

The reason countries in Europe don't spend as much on the military as we do is not because we spend so much, it's because they don't go around invading other countries any more. It's That. Fucking. Simple.

mce 11-10-2012 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19306032)
It will end when the money ends. Not a day sooner.
Quoted for Truth

helterskelter808 11-10-2012 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19306553)
How is this a dream world [...]

This is actually why I like Obama. He tells the [...] Israelis, hey, we got our own problems and if you don't like it GFY.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Now THAT is a fucking dream world.

Seriously, dude, don't smoke quite so much crack before you post in future. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MaDalton 11-10-2012 04:31 PM
everyone likes Canadians - it's not that this would be an insult ;)

SilentKnight 11-10-2012 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19305922)
I was talking to a Canadian friend last night. He chuckled about what I said, but in the end he agreed.

The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth? for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

When shit hits the fan? Not if? When? There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France? We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want? But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

So, allies of the United States? When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
Dear 'Ringleader':

It depends on what measuring stick you're using.

Canada entered WWII in Sept./1939 - the U.S. in Dec./1941...two years after Canada had declared war on Germany.

During the course of the war 730,000 Canadian men and women served in the army, 260,000 served in the air force and 115,000 served in the navy. Canadians distinguished themselves at several theaters of the war most notably at Dieppe in France in 1942, the invasion of the Italian peninsula in 1943, the liberation of the Netherlands and the Allied invasion of German occupied France from Normandy in 1944.

From June/1940 to July/1941 Britain stood alone against Germany and without Canadian assistance likely would have fallen to German forces.
The battle of the Atlantic was largely the responsibility of Canada. The UK was heavily involved as well, but the US was largely absent from this theatre until very late in the war.

Before you let your American 'arrogance' run away with itself - don't forget Kasserine Pass in Tunisia where American troops ran like rabbits and had to rescued by British and French troops.

baddog 11-10-2012 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19306458)
What about the millions of native americans slaughtered?
How many millions?

Sly 11-10-2012 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19306694)
Dear 'Ringleader':

It depends on what measuring stick you're using.

Canada entered WWII in Sept./1939 - the U.S. in Dec./1941...two years after Canada had declared war on Germany.

During the course of the war 730,000 Canadian men and women served in the army, 260,000 served in the air force and 115,000 served in the navy. Canadians distinguished themselves at several theaters of the war most notably at Dieppe in France in 1942, the invasion of the Italian peninsula in 1943, the liberation of the Netherlands and the Allied invasion of German occupied France from Normandy in 1944.

From June/1940 to July/1941 Britain stood alone against Germany and without Canadian assistance likely would have fallen to German forces.
The battle of the Atlantic was largely the responsibility of Canada. The UK was heavily involved as well, but the US was largely absent from this theatre until very late in the war.

Before you let your American 'arrogance' run away with itself - don't forget Kasserine Pass in Tunisia where American troops ran like rabbits and had to rescued by British and French troops.
Did you get upset and do a quick lookup on Wikipedia for the Canadian contributions to World War II? I'm looking right now and all of your bullet points are in a very similar order.

I'm not going to belittle the contribution that those men made, so arguing back and forth over this is silly. If you believe that when a Western country gets in trouble they will be placing their first call to Canada, so be it.

SilentKnight 11-10-2012 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19306719)
Did you get upset and do a quick lookup on Wikipedia for the Canadian contributions to World War II? I'm looking right now and all of your bullet points are in a very similar order.

I'm not going to belittle the contribution that those men made, so arguing back and forth over this is silly. If you believe that when a Western country gets in trouble they will be placing their first call to Canada, so be it.
Upset, nah. Too old and been around the block too many times to let a simple post bother me.

I'm not entirely arguing - I agree with some of the points you made...and likewise not belittling the U.S. (Americans need little help making themselves look bad :winkwink:)

I merely felt the desire to reflect on the significant effort and sacrifice Canada has made in past generations when it comes to war.

I think it was a line from Braveheart - "History is written by those who would hang heroes" - and all too often the U.S. is quick to write revisionist history in an attempt to take more share of the credit than is often due.

SilentKnight 11-10-2012 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19306713)
In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
Was lässt Sie denken, dass ich nicht deutsch bin?

Sly 11-10-2012 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19306754)
Upset, nah. Too old and been around the block too many times to let a simple post bother me.

I'm not entirely arguing - I agree with some of the points you made...and likewise not belittling the U.S. (Americans need little help making themselves look bad :winkwink:)

I merely felt the desire to reflect on the significant effort and sacrifice Canada has made in past generations when it comes to war.

I think it was a line from Braveheart - "History is written by those who would hang heroes" - and all too often the U.S. is quick to write revisionist history in an attempt to take more share of the credit than is often due.
I absolutely do not deny that many countries help in every conflict. I mentioned that specifically because I do not feel it is right to leave others out when so many die for any war.

PornoStar69 11-10-2012 07:20 PM
Tell him he got scammed big time

RKLover 11-10-2012 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19306458)
Where's your evidence for this other than western propaganda?

What about the millions of native americans slaughtered?

Even the Spaniards did not slaughter "millions of Native Americans". They did not intend to, they intended to enslave these "lesser heathen" people.

But Smallpox and other diseases the Europeans brought to America was the real killer. That's why the Spaniards started bringing slaves from Africa. They needed labor to replace all the dead Native Americans. The Africans the Arabs sold them were resistant to disease.

More recently, between 1860 and 1890, the white mans diseases killed 90% of the Native Hawai'ian population. (These numbers should give you a better idea of what really happened to the Native Americans) The U.S.A occupied Hawai'i because they were afraid Japan would - as Russia, France and Britain had done in the past.

RKLover 11-10-2012 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19306713)
..and before your Canadian arrogance runs away with itself. 45,000 Canadian died in WW2 as your numbers say 730k Canadians served. Well, I got news for you, 1 million Soviet soldiers died in "the" battle of Stalingrad wiping out the German Sixth Army, the most feared army in the world at the time.

In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
Actually, the Soviets reported closer to 479,000 Russian soldiers died at Volgagrad. That included 13,500 Russian troops that were executed during the course of the battle by the Soviets "Special Detatchments", also known as SMERSH.

Since the Battle of Staingrad did not begin until August 1942, well after the U.S.A. joined the war, the threat of Germany invading England was well past. Not that their was much economic or strategic gain in doing so.

The only reason Hitler took a shot at Russia was because Stalin had executed over 60% of his Officer Corp before the war. When Russia could not even successfully invade Finland, Hitler smelled an opportunity to eliminate Stalin and seize the Caucasus Oil fields

helterskelter808 11-10-2012 08:59 PM
^ The threat of invasion for Britain was over by late 1940/early 1941, long before we joined, which is the only reason we raped Britain with Lend Lease, and why Hitler turned his attention to the USSR.

Previously we had to rape Britain of their gold, commercial assets in the US and intellectual property, because we didn't think we'd be repaid when their democratic way of life was going to be extinguished by the most evil tyranny on Earth; something we didn't give a single shit about. Hell, our companies, including IBM, GM, Ford and Standard Oil were happily aiding the Nazis.

Still, let's pretend that didn't happen and jerk off some more about how we saved the universe at D-Day.

As for Russia, every fucking thing they received from their best friend Hitler was self-inflicted.

johnnyloadproductions 11-10-2012 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19305876)
We'll never see anything like WWI and WWII again - thankfully. The numbers of lives lost in both is staggering, absolutely staggering. As bloody and horrific as they were they were also glorious and magnificent spectacles of the worst and best in men and why we still have so much interest and admiration for those who fought in them.

We aren't the same people anymore, soldiers are coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq more fucked up in the head than in far more bloody more recent wars in Vietnam and Korea.

I will watch Patton again tomorrow - he's one of my all time great heroes, flawed as he was. The greatest general the world has ever seen, took over the US Third Army in 1944 after almost being kicked out of the military for slapping and kicking a couple of soldiers he deemed cowards. Under his leadership the Third Army advanced farther, captured more enemy prisoners, and liberated more territory in less time than any other army in history.

If you've never watched the movie, download it, it's a masterpiece and a history lesson.
I think we haven't seen anything in terms of Armageddon. What will happen in the next few hundred years or sooner is some kind of bio weapon will get releases or terrorist will do a coordinated nuke attack. 9/11 isn't as damaging as what can happen.
If you understand physics you know that you can fit all the necessary components for a nuke in a small brief case. Hopefully it doesn't happen when I'm alive.
Another thing is we need to start colonizing mars and other planetoids soon that way we don't have all our eggs in one basket.
It will happen, it just takes a few or one clever person that has an evil agenda and patience.

johnnyloadproductions 11-10-2012 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19306713)
..and before your Canadian arrogance runs away with itself. 45,000 Canadian died in WW2 as your numbers say 730k Canadians served. Well, I got news for you, 1 million Soviet soldiers died in "the" battle of Stalingrad wiping out the German Sixth Army, the most feared army in the world at the time.

In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
Yeap, Russia suffered the most casualties by a margin.
http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com...statistics.asp

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

GAH 11-11-2012 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19305890)
I think saving Europe three times in the span of one lifetime is enough for even the greatest nation. Next time the Germans or Russians come calling try going it alone.:thumbsup
Obviously the rest of the world owes a continued huge debt to John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, Indiana Jones et al, for winning the World Wars and that the huge sacrifices made by Britain, France, Russia, Poland, China, Ethiopia, all of Europe, Malta, Burma, CANADA and most other countries cannot compare to the the pain the American people went through at the same time, the huge civilian casualties they suffered, the starvation, the rape of their country. I would suggest a lot of people go onto YouTube and watch the fantastic BBC documentary, The Nazis: A Warning From History. Imagine if what happened at Pearl Harbour was an every day occurrence throughout America and that Twin Towers was happening in every city, that it continued for a whole year. That's sacrifice. It's Remembrance Sunday today, the scars are still there for many.

Rochard 11-11-2012 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306123)
without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products
They would be built someplace else.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306123)
ok, let's agree we disagree on this :winkwink:
without India who will do your callcenters? :winkwink:
We have a large call center up the street from us with over 300 employees. It's not like only India can have call centers.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306123)
Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse
The United States produces a huge amount of gas and oil, however, we need it ourselves so we do not export it. Canada is the largest importer to the US.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19306123)
there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.
You do understand that Germany bought oil from Russia and plane engines from the UK shortly before war broke out, right?

RKLover 11-29-2012 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19307862)
Actually your facts are far from correct as I've actually not only been to Volgograd, but often. I've gone through the war memorial tour many times, one of the best I've ever seen. I've also been in the city center on May 9.

The real numbers told to me were actually closer to 1.1 million. When the Germans surrounded the city there were 800k civilians blocked in and after the battle/war there were only 1500 accountable. That's some heavy collateral damage.
I said Dead Soldiers. You're including Civilian deaths. Either way, it sucks to be stuck in a war zone.

Only about 5,000 of the captured German troops were ever returned home, and it took over 10 years after the war ended for that to happen. As far as I've been able to find out, that number includes the Hungarian and Romanian troops that fought with the Germans at Volgagrad.

RKLover 11-29-2012 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19307976)
They would be built someplace else.



We have a large call center up the street from us with over 300 employees. It's not like only India can have call centers.



The United States produces a huge amount of gas and oil, however, we need it ourselves so we do not export it. Canada is the largest importer to the US.



You do understand that Germany bought oil from Russia and plane engines from the UK shortly before war broke out, right?
Oil is the USA's leading export. Automobiles are #2

madko 11-29-2012 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RKLover (Post 19338483)
Oil is the USA's leading export.
that's true but also incomplete! Compare this 2 lists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_oil_exports
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_oil_imports

RKLover 11-29-2012 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19338647)
Real men don't fight in wars
Real men won't subject their homes and lands to pillaging invaders.
Real men won't welcome the idea of their wives and daughters being raped.
Real men would rather fight to protect themselves and their families.

Passive resistance will only make you the slave you claim others are.

2MuchMark 11-29-2012 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 19305076)
God bless the vets
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Struggle4Bucks 11-29-2012 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19338647)
Real men don't fight in wars

People who fight in wars are easily programmable to do whatever their slave masters tell them. They are about as unreal and unheroic as it gets

He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have
condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.
Only real men can take care of their business without calling the cops!
Real men don`t have a caged penis.


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