If ROMNI WINS, he's going to CENSOR PORN forever...

[VenusBlogger]

I wonder what adult webmaster can be so IDIOT to vote for ROMNI...

If the guy wins, he will censor your own INDUSTRY.

Even if you are a right-wing republican TEXAN that has 40 weapons and supports capital punishment, you can't be so naive and dumb to vote for that FAKE guy that will go against your own job.

Just sayin...

PAIRIODO.

[baddog]

Mind explaining how he will accomplish that?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by baddog

Mind explaining how he will accomplish that?

He's hiring A$hcroft.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by baddog

Mind explaining how he will accomplish that?

Mali invasion

[Redrob]

Very easy to do: bring prosecutions charging both obscenity and 2257 violations.
Even if you beat the obscenity charges, you are looking at 5 to 10 years mandatory for the 2257 violations.
2257 violations are some type of an administrative violation so there is no pleading not guilty if your records are not perfect. Your guilt is self evident.
So why fight the obscenity charges if you are looking at 5 to 10 years anyways; just plead out and get the best deal you can. A guilty verdict for obscenity allows the gov't to seize your assets related to the business.

The scenario is a win/win for the government. They will bring charges, many cases won't go to trial, and, through seizures, they put adult companies out of business and get a pot load of cash to fund future prosecutions.

Just my best guess....

[SuckOnThis]

[oppoten]

He won't win.

[helterskelter808]

^
^To be fair, Republicans are more fuckable these days.

[Zoxxa]

Yes, the world starts and ends in America.

[helterskelter808]

It pretty much does if you want to sell porn.

[xXXtesy10]

Rolltube

[baddog]

Sometimes I wonder if you believe the crap you spew.

[brassmonkey]

its ok

[lazycash]

They said the same thing right before Bush became president, turned out to be the best 8 years of online adult.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by lazycash

They said the same thing right before Bush became president, turned out to be the best 8 years of online adult.

I think some people here think they can sway the 32 people on GFY actually registered to vote.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

I wonder what adult webmaster can be so IDIOT to vote for ROMNI...

If the guy wins, he will censor your own INDUSTRY.

Even if you are a right-wing republican TEXAN that has 40 weapons and supports capital punishment, you can't be so naive and dumb to vote for that FAKE guy that will go against your own job.

Just sayin...

PAIRIODO.

So your saying you care more about porn than your Country?

[Rochard]

Is this before or after he takes away our guns?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

So your saying you care more about porn than your Country?

They are not American. No way. PIRIOD!!

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by baddog

They are not American. No way. PIRIOD!!

Are you saying if someone doesn't support Romney they are not American?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Are you saying if someone doesn't support Romney they are not American?

No, I am saying their English is too bad to not be ESL. PIRIOD.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think some people here think they can sway the 32 people on GFY actually registered to vote.

32 might be on the high side since the overwhelming majority of those in the gfy political discussions seems to be from Canada or Europe.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think some people here think they can sway the 32 people on GFY actually registered to vote.

so you will vote for ROMNI?

I don't believe it.

You are a NOSTALGIC HIPPIE from CALIFORNIA that used to experiment with those herbs back when you were young... so obviously you are far from ROMNI.

Now you are an OLD man that can't get an erection without viagra, so...

PAIRIOD.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

Rolltube

Glad that one cleared the short term memory.

[Pyewacket]

It isn't about porn -- it is a twisted sense of righteousness that comes from being able to sling buzz words around. They are targeting a largely legal business that does bring in a good amount of tax dollars, has a lot of employees in many different facets and doesn't destroy the environment. Most of us here follow the 2257 regulations. Don't target fraud, or the lavish waste of taxpayer dollars... target a legit industry. Now, you know that internet-thing is responsible for all the porn, and the cable tv industry. Those will also both have to be severely regulated to control the evil porn. What's next? Taxation for not going to church on Sunday?

This is the very first time in over 30 years that I am going to miss a presidential election - only because I won't be in the states in time to vote and I missed the deadline to vote absentee. Do I miss the circus? Not for a moment. Sad that it has again turned to slinging mud instead of putting people back to work. I am still very glad to be an ex-pat.

[baryl]

People need to understand that a president is not the king. They actually don't have a lot of power.

[buzzard]

Romis likes Pornis just like Obamis They are all naturalis.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Very easy to do: bring prosecutions charging both obscenity and 2257 violations.
Even if you beat the obscenity charges, you are looking at 5 to 10 years mandatory for the 2257 violations.
2257 violations are some type of an administrative violation so there is no pleading not guilty if your records are not perfect. Your guilt is self evident.
So why fight the obscenity charges if you are looking at 5 to 10 years anyways; just plead out and get the best deal you can. A guilty verdict for obscenity allows the gov't to seize your assets related to the business.

The scenario is a win/win for the government. They will bring charges, many cases won't go to trial, and, through seizures, they put adult companies out of business and get a pot load of cash to fund future prosecutions.

Just my best guess....

Are you serious?

Porn isn't everything from double anal and beyond. It starts with people doing sexy stuff. They can be fully clothed. It's about creating an illusion. If a line is drawn that says no genitalia, the softcore market will boom and NO ONE except in countries we don't care about will ever get a conviction.

How any one draws the line is totally beyond me. I know I'm a dumb know nothing addled brain old timer. But I remember when porn was illegal and there was no Internet. Porn was a wonderful business to be in and very very lucrative. Imagine selling a 1 hour tape for $40 250 to 1,000 times. From your home and having a catalogue of 100s of them. Astral Blue.

If Romney can achieve the impossible and ban online porn. I would support him and go buy some new cameras.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Is this before or after he takes away our guns?

Besides saving the lives of a few rabbits and deer, why bother?

[buzzard]

Your foreign elite owners eat babies at satanic rituals.
Poot... your sites!
.

[Far-L]

Well, not to be a contrarian or anything, but having been around as long as I have one thing I can say is that conservative sabre rattling about porn has usually actually had the opposite effect on business... Sure, some convictions happen, and that sucks, but usually consumption and prices both go up. Lay of the land, law of the land, and we all signed up for it being like that to work in the US.

During the Reagan onslaught with Meese and Keating... porn exploded accordingly.

Also... Take Utah for example - harsh laws, high consumption...

I still dislike Romney just on principle, because he apparently has none, and not happy with Obama either as he has cost me dearly, but just pointing out that all these politicians that cater to the Moral Majority etc just end up benefiting the adult industry usually in the long run.

[icymelon]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think some people here think they can sway the 32 people on GFY actually registered to vote.

already voted so that makes 31 left to sway

[Redrob]

I've been in the business since 1973. I've seen it change from 8/16mm films to Bluray and streaming. But, one constant has been the existence of groups like the American Family Association, Citizens for Decency Through Law and Citizens Against Pornography. They preach from the pulpit that pornograph is equated to crime, child pornography, human trafficking and sexual addiction. These groups are not your friends.

Folks, just because they are currently out of power doesn't mean that they aren't thinking about us and plotting our demise. Gov. Romney is their horse in this race and he will consider their desires if he wins. He has already signed their pledge to fight porn; and, they will try and hold him to it. Romney is pretty scary especially if it is true that he has chosen Judge Bork to lead his judicial advisory committee. This committee will be recommending attorneys to appoint as the leaders of the DOJ for the next presidential term and they will be very hostile if they have the Bork stamp of approval.

That you can bet on.

Baddog asks:
Mind explaining how he will accomplish that?

So I laid out a possible scenario for him.

Do I think the government would use a combination of obscenity and 2257 to go after the industry? I don't know; but, the scenario is feasible.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Voting against your own business interests is just plain stupid -- are you planning a career change?

A President Romney has one in mind for you!

Even if a new Republican Administration couldn't succeed in the courts the harassment factor is there -- it's at best an unnecessary business expense created for you by the US government -- put that in your pipe and smoke it ...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Redrob

So I laid out a possible scenario for him.

Do I think the government would use a combination of obscenity and 2257 to go after the industry? I don't know; but, the scenario is feasible.

Obscenity. Lay back on the hard stuff and you're fine.

2257. Keep the records and you're fine.

They would need to go after the processors and that's a tall order.

Obscenity and 2257 laws don't apply to the rest of the world. Is he going to start blocking domains?

TBH it's all hot air and we've heard it so many times.

[TheSquealer]

If you vote solely for your business interests, no matter what side you are on or who you are voting for.... then in my opinion, you lose the right to have an opinion about anything political other than how it relates directly to your business interests. When N Korea sells nukes to the Taliban and a bomb goes off in Paris, when we end up in Afghanistan for the next 20 years, when Pakistan nukes India, when Social Security collapses, when the economy continues to be sluggish, when job growth slows and stops and goes backwards, when education continues to decline, when college continues to get insanely expensive, when health care costs are out of control, when oil prices sky rocket etc etc etc etc etc just be happy that you voted for your business and remember that nothing else concerns you, your children's future or the nation because you a simplistic, selfish and short sighted dipshit.

[Young]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think some people here think they can sway the 32 people on GFY actually registered to vote.

I hope you're not one of the 32. Because you're so fucking ill-informed. It's fucking amazing how retarded people on GFY are.

I'll help you fix that

Romney campaign quietly promised ‘vigorous’ porn crackdown, Reagan prosecutor says

Bob Flores, another former Justice Department official who prosecuted pornographers, accompanied Trueman to an hour-long meeting with Romney foreign and legal policy director Alex Wong, Trueman said.

“Wong assured us that Romney is very concerned with this, and that if he’s elected these laws will be enforced,” Trueman told TheDC. ”They promised to vigorously enforce federal adult obscenity laws.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/18/ro...#ixzz29qWL8D7I


The Obscenity Police Are Coming
“I don’t really want to go to jail,” Stagliano says. “I’ve got a two-year-old son. And I have a daughter, as well. I don’t think she’d like that either.”

In 2007, Romney swore that if he were elected president, he would put a porn filter on every computer.

Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susannah...t-romney-porn/

Could Romney Really Ban Porn?

Legally speaking, porn isn’t protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court gave porn prosecutors a present in Miller v. California (1973), declaring that “patently offensive” material that appeals to prurient interests must confirm to contemporary “community standards.”

The ability of a particularly squeamish community to ban porn was once confined to certain geographical locations, but, as the Electronic Frontier Foundation warns, the Internet reaches all communities, and at least one previous court held this to mean that content should conform to the community “most likely to be offended by the message.”

“I think they would probably prosecute”, Flynt said, of Romney’s potential attorney general, but he isn’t worried, “they have nothing to do with the success of the prosecution.”

Read more: http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/24/cou...ally-ban-porn/


____________________________________________

So to sum it up

Article 1 - Romney has had meetings with people who have literally been called the morality police from the Reagan administration.... and has made promises to make cracking down on porn and enforcement of vague/assanine obscenity laws a top priority.

Article 2 - John fucking Stagliano is fucking worried. But "Baddog" on GFY is not. Who the fuck do I trust?

Article 3 - The scenario presented in article 1 and the concern expressed from industry VETS are legitimate. A crackdown on porn from Mitt is completely plausible and likely

A Republican voting pornographer is about the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of in my life.

And my sources are from 2 RIGHT LEANING Sites! THE FUCKING MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!! AMIRITE?

[Young]

Here's a novel fucking thought: How about voting for someone who doesn't believe that Porn contributes to the downfall of society?

[geedub]

I hear these radio commercials every day paid for by Obama groups talking about how he is pro gay marriage. I look at it the same as that. Romney talks shit about porn to secure votes from old ladies. Obama says he'll allow gays to marry to secure the vote of people like epitome. At the end of the day they are laughing and we're all arguing like dumb asses.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by geedub

I hear these radio commercials every day paid for by Obama groups talking about how he is pro gay marriage. I look at it the same as that. Romney talks shit about porn to secure votes from old ladies. Obama says he'll allow gays to marry to secure the vote of people like epitome. At the end of the day they are laughing and we're all arguing like dumb asses.

Thats exactly right. An election today is a popularity contest, nothing more. Someone has to convince people they can solve 20 year problems with a 4 year plan. They have to be popular with certain groups, they have to say what those groups want to hear and then they need a broader appealing message like "forward" to give the lemmings something to parrot while arguing about things they know nothing about to cement the deal. Doesn't matter who is elected. The economy will still be cyclical, radical fundamentalists will still be radical fundamentalists, rogue states will still be rogue states, education in the USA will still suck, single parents will still be shitting out kids to keep our prison system afloat. and so on ... and so on...

The biggest problems in this country is not who's in office or who is President. The biggest problems are a lack of identity, a lack of a sense of who we are and what we stand for. A lack of what it means to be American. A growing disdain for success and successful people. A growing sense of entitlement and waning sense of accountability among an increasingly dumber population. The list of "Whats wrong" is huge and it has nothing to do with Obama or Romney. It has to do ironically, with the people that will vote for them.

Empires die when values attitudes change.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

If you vote solely for your business interests, no matter what side you are on or who you are voting for.... then in my opinion, you lose the right to have an opinion about anything political other than how it relates directly to your business interests. When N Korea sells nukes to the Taliban and a bomb goes off in Paris, when we end up in Afghanistan for the next 20 years, when Pakistan nukes India, when Social Security collapses, when the economy continues to be sluggish, when job growth slows and stops and goes backwards, when education continues to decline, when college continues to get insanely expensive, when health care costs are out of control, when oil prices sky rocket etc etc etc etc etc just be happy that you voted for your business and remember that nothing else concerns you, your children's future or the nation because you a simplistic, selfish and short sighted dipshit.

Where do you live?

Because I would love to know where people don't vote for their own business interests. Whatever the business is, collecting a check from Social Security or running a billion dollar company. Most vote for their own business interests.

Young. They might go after a few extreme guys with obscenity laws. Once they touch 95% of US porn they will be pilloried.

Do you reckon Mr Stagliano is just anti Romney?

And so what if he does, porn will still exist. Unless he plans to shut down domains. So it will mean he will be a bigger laughing stock than he could ever hope. People can still log into Pornhub and watch what ever they like. Host offshore, not be American and you're in the clear.

I have a spare room if anyone's interested. $400 a week and you can use your computer.

There I go begging for money.

Sorry to make this thread the joke it is.

[Va2k]

I have been around a long time now, and one thing I know is who ever wins we as adult webmasters etc will ride this out and keep going! Some may go to jail some maybe scared and fold up shop but for the ones that ride it out, everything will be fine! Just my

[BAKO]

fuck that shit



PIRIOD!!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by baryl

People need to understand that a president is not the king. They actually don't have a lot of power.

Originally Posted by Far-L

Well, not to be a contrarian or anything, but having been around as long as I have one thing I can say is that conservative sabre rattling about porn has usually actually had the opposite effect on business... Sure, some convictions happen, and that sucks, but usually consumption and prices both go up. Lay of the land, law of the land, and we all signed up for it being like that to work in the US.

During the Reagan onslaught with Meese and Keating... porn exploded accordingly.

Also... Take Utah for example - harsh laws, high consumption...

I still dislike Romney just on principle, because he apparently has none, and not happy with Obama either as he has cost me dearly, but just pointing out that all these politicians that cater to the Moral Majority etc just end up benefiting the adult industry usually in the long run.

And why people like Redrob can't admit that, I am not sure. I find it difficult to believe.

Originally Posted by icymelon

already voted so that makes 31 left to sway

I have a beer festival to go to today; I think I will fill out my ballot when I get home. Maybe bring my sample ballot and let arbitrary people choose one item each ;)

Originally Posted by Redrob

I've been in the business since 1973. I've seen it change from 8/16mm films to Bluray and streaming. But, one constant has been the existence of groups like the American Family Association, Citizens for Decency Through Law and Citizens Against Pornography. They preach from the pulpit that pornograph is equated to crime, child pornography, human trafficking and sexual addiction. These groups are not your friends.

And you know that politicians talk, and talk, and talk and have bigger things to worry about than porn. You know it, now admit it.

Originally Posted by Young

I hope you're not one of the 32. Because you're so fucking ill-informed. It's fucking amazing how retarded people on GFY are.

I'll help you fix that

Romney campaign quietly promised ?vigorous? porn crackdown, Reagan prosecutor says

. . . .

And my sources are from 2 RIGHT LEANING Sites! THE FUCKING MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!! AMIRITE?

jeez, here we are saying politicians say what they think will get them votes, then you provide comments from sites that are also trying to get you to think the Romney will do something about it. It is called pandering.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

People are underestimating just how big a sociopath Romney is

We have not underestimated what a sociopath you are.

[CaptainHowdy]

[Pyewacket]

How many others have run under a morality platform? I think the voters are actually amazed when a president actually does something he said he would do during the campaign. They can't deal with Gitmo... they can't deal with Iran or the flow of illegal immgrants and drugs, but they can sure deal with porn. Really? How many people have lost their lives because of porn?

I do think softcore may well be a way to go, not for the perceived safety but for the fantasy factor.

[Redrob]

Quote from Baddog:

And why people like Redrob can't admit that, I am not sure. I find it difficult to believe.

Next time I see Larry Flynt, John Stagliano, Max Hardcore, or Rob Black, I'll be sure and tell them that you think their prosecutions were good for business. We will see if they agree.

My world view is that money is a "tool" and not the "end goal." For me, money is only as good as what can be accomplished with it. Nothing more.

It does not take me long when I meet someone to tell whether the person has a "zero sum game" world view in which the amassment of personal wealth is their reason for doing what they do and fuck everyone else; or, do they do what they do because they believe it is the "right thing" to do and money is just another tool for accomplishing their personal goals.

Personally, for me, the adult business for me is not about making money. For me, the goal has been to expand our First Amendment rights and deny gains to the forces that advocate censorship and government control. I have always said that my life goal is to leave this country as free as I found it, or free-er. Having spent over six years in the Army and sworn to defend our Constitution, I won't see any of our rights eroded without some form of resistance.

Sorry, I have always been that way and served censorship fighting efforts by the Periodical and Book Association of America, the Video Software Dealers Association, First Amendment Coalition of Texas, Free Speech Coalition, C-FAR, Texas Freedom Network, and others.

I have paid for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court for a pornographer who was in jail and broke. I have contributed thousands and thousands of dollars to get the adult toy laws and restrictive zoning laws overturned in Texas. I recently donated a couple of grand to the FSC so they could hire additional staff during this referendum on Measure B. I helped finance a study to refute the adverse secondary effects of SOBs ruling in Renton decision. I have helped fight 2257 regulations from day one. I helped pay for a lobbyist in our state legislature to represent our interests. I have sent checks to store owners and webmasters who were putting up a good fight such as Chris Miller in Florida or Glenn at Encore Video in San Antonio.

Fuck censors, fuck people who would sell their brothers down the river for a buck, and go fuck yourself.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Yes and he will definitely do this...anyone who can't see the writing on the wall is not too bright

Says the guy who claims voting is inconsequential.

[Supz]

Originally Posted by Zoxxa

Yes, the world starts and ends in America.

No. In Canada. LOL.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Quote from Baddog:


Next time I see Larry Flynt, John Stagliano, Max Hardcore, or Rob Black, I'll be sure and tell them that you think their prosecutions were good for business. We will see if they agree.

My world view is that money is a "tool" and not the "end goal." For me, money is only as good as what can be accomplished with it. Nothing more.

It does not take me long when I meet someone to tell whether the person has a "zero sum game" world view in which the amassment of personal wealth is their reason for doing what they do and fuck everyone else; or, do they do what they do because they believe it is the "right thing" to do and money is just another tool for accomplishing their personal goals.

Personally, for me, the adult business for me is not about making money. For me, the goal has been to expand our First Amendment rights and deny gains to the forces that advocate censorship and government control. I have always said that my life goal is to leave this country as free as I found it, or free-er. Having spent over six years in the Army and sworn to defend our Constitution, I won't see any of our rights eroded without some form of resistance.

Sorry, I have always been that way and served censorship fighting efforts by the Periodical and Book Association of America, the Video Software Dealers Association, First Amendment Coalition of Texas, Free Speech Coalition, C-FAR, Texas Freedom Network, and others.

I have paid for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court for a pornographer who was in jail and broke. I have contributed thousands and thousands of dollars to get the adult toy laws and restrictive zoning laws overturned in Texas. I recently donated a couple of grand to the FSC so they could hire additional staff during this referendum on Measure B. I helped finance a study to refute the adverse secondary effects of SOBs ruling in Renton decision. I have helped fight 2257 regulations from day one. I helped pay for a lobbyist in our state legislature to represent our interests. I have sent checks to store owners and webmasters who were putting up a good fight such as Chris Miller in Florida or Glenn at Encore Video in San Antonio.

Fuck censors, fuck people who would sell their brothers down the river for a buck, and go fuck yourself.

I can't say that I really respect all that many people here. A few.. but not very many.
You sir, have my respect.

Excellent post.
.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Where do you live?

Because I would love to know where people don't vote for their own business interests. Whatever the business is, collecting a check from Social Security or running a billion dollar company. Most vote for their own business interests.

Like you, people are dumb. "Business interests" is a fine thought when its manufacturing or exports are car makers or whatever where those interests are also national interests. Voting for the right to submit videos to pornhub is pretty fucking retarded given all the issues and problems the USA faces.