TBH I don't know. We are a registered corporation the tax rate is 15% of profits. Our personal taxes as an employee of the company were 40%. The company employed 8 people at it's height and that was 32% on top of their wages.

I never regarded taxes as "lost" money. It's money paid to keep the wheels of the country turning. As I point out in replies to those who talk about "waste". It's only waste when it goes out of the country. This is the lie of the "trickle down" theorists.

It's waste when it goes to a bank in the Caymans, pert is waste on a BMW, Chines toys, etc. It's not waste when it goes to build the country around you, or to the needy who go spend it in Ralphs. Trickle up and trickle around works better than trickle down.

Yes some of it is badly spent. And that's the real problem.

another Paul knows it all thread, funny how he waits till after they lose to make this thread haha. Paul can always look back and report what we all know but since it is a big wall of text the fuck knows. Great thread Paul and oh yeah you do not even live in the USA either , even better

I was going to say, I don't know. Went and asked Eva, she told me and I forgor to delete the I don't know part. DUUUUUHHHHH!!!

What's lie did I post?

You said I was on ignore. Lie

You asked why I didn't have a holding page in my sig?

And who the fuck is Alex?

Never heard of him. I was in the office today. No Alex in the meetings I was in!

Sorry I keep proving you post lies kiddo!

Funny old man

Why not post more in his sub forum if you want his wisdom (sic) it's all there

I honestly believe the Republican party threw this election, just like they did with McCain. Seriously - Someone who left the Governor's office with a 34% approval rating should not even be considered a candidate for President.

I'm guessing they already have someone picked to run for the next election and he or she is going to be a powerhouse.

I don't think they threw it, but I think there were some candidates who simply chose not to run because they knew that the electoral math still favored Obama and things are slowly improving so they just decided to stay out of it until 2016 when there won't be an incumbent.

Also, part of the republican's problems is that any candidate has to move so far to the right to appease the base and win the primary that it can ultimately hurt them in the election.

Bush actually did decently with Latinos. In 2004 he got about 44% of the Latino vote. Romney will likely end up with about 25%. Any republican candidate out there is going to have to do better with minorities if they want to win and that was going to be difficult in general, and very hard against Obama.

Unfortunately yes - balcks and latinos are increasing in numbers so it will give more and more edge to dems...

I think it comes to the person who can get through the Primaries, will find it very tough to get elected. Whoever the candidates have to appeal to, the demographics of the Primaries are too far to the right for the rest of America to buy into.

They are getting a lot of votes because most of their base is not voting on reality but voting on what they want to believe. I was at the 7-11 yesterday getting gas and some right wing christian blow hard was in there bitching about Obama being the fucking anti-Christ.

On voting day I was grabbing something to eat at a fast food joint, and over heard two old dudes rehashing those lies about the UN. He's like you can't trust that guy, I read he was working with the UN to take over the country.

I mean seriously this is the un-educated vomit that came out of their mouths. It's one thing to see the wackos of the internet post that kinda shit o a forum, but to hear that kind of shit out of some regular looking person just shows you how stupid a lot of people are.

This was in FL as I'm on vacation at the moment, but I bet I could have found a thousand more that would repeat the same stupid shit. These are the Fox news viewers, these are the christian right that read all those fucking ridiculous chain mails and listen to their "god loving" preachers whom say Obama is the anti-christ. They actually believe this shit and there are a lot of them.

It has nothing to do with common sense or what is good for the country, but rather hearing what they want to hear because they are scared into thinking something that is not based on reality.

The absolute worse of the worst are the ones in the Republican party that go along with this shit, because using this base of moronic simpletons is the only way they can get guys elected to get their lower taxes.

Na, they tried and their base actually thought they would win. People said the same shit when it was McCain/Palin, saying the Right threw it to focus on the next due to Bush.

I don't believe that for a second. They just are no longer based on reality because the delusional have over run their party.

Seriously? Your whole post is name-calling. How does that further civil discourse?

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The strangest comment from the Romney officials who were working to get him elected was that he spent $1 billion on advertising to rubbish their man. Like Republicans never spent a dime on the same. Both are as bad as each other. Do Americans really believe he's not American, a Muslim or has something to hide in his college reports?

Society is stupid.

I have a friend of mine who is partially retarded. He owns a house and lives on his own, and drives, but is mentally stuck as a sixteen year old boy and always will be although he is fifty. He watches TV but is barely aware of who the President is. Can cannot debate anything, and he'll believe nearly anything any one ever says. It's sad really.

My point is there are a lot of people like this in society - not bright enough to comprehend the most basic things. Some of them are even college educated. I went to college for computers and a few days before graduation a classmate asked me what a pop3 email was - and then asked me to teach them how to set it up.

I have a guy down at my gas station, fifty years old, former Army guy. Dumb as a fucking brick. He barely makes minimum wage and can't figure out why he can't get ahead.

Whatever.

This was it for the Republican party as we know it. There will be serious in-fighting for the 2014 midterms as they struggle with which way to go next (and that will likely extend to 2016). They can no longer depend on their traditional voter base to get it done.

Their dilemma moving forward is that they've painted themselves into a corner with their policies over the past 10-15 years. They are losing their voters as the older generation passes on (Romney got fewer votes than McCain did, who got fewer votes than Bush) and younger generations are too disgusted by Republicans to become one. It could take them a decade to fix their image problems.

The GOP presidential nominee has lost the national popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. They are pretty close to being irrelevant on a national stage. Sure, they'll win local races and will always win house and senate seats in rural areas and the South, but their strategists struggle with basic math when it comes to winning a national election. You can't win a national election if Latinos, blacks, Asians and women vote for the other guy. It is practically impossible.

They dug their own grave with their illegal alien rants. As Rubio said about Latinos, who voted huge for Obama: "It's very hard to make the economic argument to people who think you want to deport their grandmother."

I'll say the Republican party is lucky that the country was SO fucked up from the end of Bush's term that it would have been impossible to have a strong turnaround regardless of who was president. Reason being that if the Obama-led country made a strong turnaround and everything was peachy, they'd have absolutely nothing. As it is, thanks to the 2010 midterms and things still not being great in 2012 leading to a continued Republican lead in the House, they're clinging to scraps. They're going to have to block everything Obama et al want to do to have any chance of continuing to have those scraps in 2016. That or they need to find a Republican version of Clinton that people can really get behind, which I highly doubt will happen.

It's really become a party of old people and loons. The irony there is you'd think they'd give a shit about the old people that vote for them considering that, but newp - paying for old people's prescriptions is socialist.

I agree. I didn't hear that type of stuff from strangers, but from people I know, via their Facebook updates. It was sad in a way, because they were people that I liked until I saw them publicly proclaim how racist, backwoods, homophobic, Jesus-pushing, etc, that they are. I will never look at them in the same way again. Not because they are not entitled to believe what they believe. It's because that their viewpoints are so fundamentally different than mine, and I don't see that ever bridging. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to spout stuff that is just insane, and the lower their educational level, the more they seem to buy in to that stuff that Obama is somehow this evil person.

We, and I've caught myself buying into this crap too, are making decisions based on 30 second soundbites or 5 minute speeches that cover 12 topics in that time.

We're not facing simple problems that can be solved that easily.

It's not about the passion of the speaker or the keywords.

"He's a great orator", for example, doesn't solve a single problem.

Not one.