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sperbonzo · 11-05-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

And your reference of cannibalism and Catholics comes from very well educated jew, right? Grow the fuck up!

It is technically ritual cannibalism. Think about the ritual. I have attended Mass many times and I've discussed it with Catholic Priests. Think about the taking of the communion wafer and what it symbolizes.

Yes. I am well educated. I've actually attended the services of, and had long discussions with priests of, most religions on the planet. It's one of my interests.

And I've posted at least three times in this thread that Judiasm has plenty of wacky stuff when seen from the outside.... even from the inside, in my opinion.

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baddog · 11-05-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Can somebody please explain the whole magic underwear thing????

My understanding is that they are uncomfortable and meant to remind you to be kind to others.

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It is technically ritual cannibalism.

Bullshit.

helterskelter808 · 11-05-2012, 03:58 PM

Sperbonzo, don't expect to be taken seriously when you persist in ridiculously describing eating a wafer as cannibalism.

Which religion, of a mere few million people, modestly considers itself "chosen" by God and has a special word for everyone else on the planet?

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It is technically ritual cannibalism. Think about the ritual. I have attended Mass many times and I've discussed it with Catholic Priests. Think about the taking of the communion wafer and what it symbolizes.

Yes. I am well educated. I've actually attended the services of, and had long discussions with priests of, most religions on the planet. It's one of my interests.

And I've posted at least three times in this thread that Judiasm has plenty of wacky stuff when seen from the outside.... even from the inside, in my opinion.

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I'll second the "full of shit" motion.
The body of Christ represents Eucharist at the Last Supper that "This is my body" in Luke 22:19-20, or the explicit usage of the term by the Apostle Paul in I Corinthians 12:12-14 to refer to the Christian Church.
Now run off and go marry a three year old, bozo.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Sperbonzo, don't expect to be taken seriously when you persist in ridiculously describing eating a wafer as cannibalism.

Which religion, of a mere few million people, modestly considers itself "chosen" by God and has a special word for everyone else on the planet?

Let me guess?
Catholics?

Nasty · 11-05-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Evangelical Christians & baptists are very much anti-Mormon and consider it cult.

A yet lots of them are voting for Romney

I'm looking forward to a scientologist nominee myself lol

_Richard_ · 11-05-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It is technically ritual cannibalism. Think about the ritual. I have attended Mass many times and I've discussed it with Catholic Priests. Think about the taking of the communion wafer and what it symbolizes.

Yes. I am well educated. I've actually attended the services of, and had long discussions with priests of, most religions on the planet. It's one of my interests.

And I've posted at least three times in this thread that Judiasm has plenty of wacky stuff when seen from the outside.... even from the inside, in my opinion.

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are you apart of the group of Jewish people that circumsize boys, then let the rabbi take the babies penis into his mouth as part of the ceremony?

don't worry, we'll understand if so.

epitome · 11-05-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you apart of the group of Jewish people that circumsize boys, then let the rabbi take the babies penis into his mouth as part of the ceremony?

don't worry, we'll understand if so.

Good point

Imortyl Pussycat · 11-05-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you apart of the group of Jewish people that circumsize boys, then let the rabbi take the babies penis into his mouth as part of the ceremony?

don't worry, we'll understand if so.

is that a real thing? i just threw up in my mouth a little

this thread is fascinating, i cant stop lurking in it

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you apart of the group of Jewish people that circumsize boys, then let the rabbi take the babies penis into his mouth as part of the ceremony?

don't worry, we'll understand if so.

Im sure theres explanation why this shit is not really jewish, how some Rabbi like the taste and so on. You can't question Jews.

helterskelter808 · 11-05-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Let me guess?
Catholics?

It's a tough one, isn't it. You'd think such a supremacist, if not flat out racist, belief might be challenged, perhaps in the media, but it seems to cause no controversy at all.

Likewise, you wouldn't get away with calling the USA the Christian State, and 'Islamic States' are considered to be nuts. Yet it's fine for one country, where 20% of the population doesn't share the main religion, to be referred to as if belongs to a certain religion.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you apart of the group of Jewish people that circumsize boys, then let the rabbi take the babies penis into his mouth as part of the ceremony

You'd think the media would be all over that too, the way they are about Catholic priests. Maybe even a Hollywood movie exposing it. I wonder why they're not...

Phoenix · 11-05-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

It's a tough one, isn't it. You'd think such a supremacist, if not flat out racist, belief might be challenged, perhaps in the media, but it seems to cause no controversy at all.

Likewise, you wouldn't get away with calling the USA the Christian State, and 'Islamic States' are considered to be nuts. Yet it's fine for one country, where 20% of the population doesn't share the main religion, to be referred to as if belongs to a certain religion.

You'd think the media would be all over that too, the way they are about Catholic priests. Maybe even a Hollywood movie exposing it. I wonder why they're not...

actually recently in the news the practice was in the spotlight because one rabbi gave the baby herpes which killed the kid. so people were lobbying to get it outlawed.

get back to throwing rocks at each other now

sperbonzo · 11-05-2012, 05:07 PM

Have a long in-depth conversation with a Catholic priest about it sometime. Talk about it's basis, and it's relation to symbology. I had this discussion over months with a priest who was a historical researcher at the Vatican for 15 years before coming back to the US.

My info doesn't come from some "Catholics are bad" website on google....

As for Mormons, the original point of this thread, I would not base judgement of a religion on some "Mormons are freaks" website with poltical agendas so clearly in the news right now. Personally I have great relationships with Mormons, and I have found them to be the most honest people to do business with.

My point about the Catholic thing was that certain rituals look crazy from the outside (and no, I don't even know anyone that is involved in that freakish thing with the Rabbi's and the penis. I'm not chabbad and I think those guys are wacky myself). I have no problems with Catholics per se, and although I have certain reservations about the actions of the Catholic church in the world historically, I have no problems with the people that believe.

My point, and apparently you have all helped me prove it, is that religious prejudice based on the "knowledge" you can gleen from online websites that have an agenda, is a pretty piss poor way to figure out your opinions on such complex topics.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 11-05-2012, 05:17 PM

Keep carrying on...

Peace and Love,

ADG

CyberHustler · 11-05-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

OMG! At least 11 babies got herpes from a Rabbi! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...cision-ritual/

At least the catholics don't give the children they molest STD's!

Hands down the funniest albino ever!

TisMe · 11-05-2012, 05:32 PM

Religious fundamentalists of all religions share one thing in common.

Their faith driven desire to impose their beliefs on others who do not believe as they do.

All religious fundamentalists are dangerous to the rest of us.

Phoenix · 11-05-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

OMG!
At least the catholics don't give the children they molest STD's!

you do not know that to be true

i always wondered why it was ok to put a dead guys image on a stick and show it around also...odd

anyway, i dont have a dog in this fight...just observations from the sidelines

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Have a long in-depth conversation with a Catholic priest about it sometime. Talk about it's basis, and it's relation to symbology. I had this discussion over months with a priest who was a historical researcher at the Vatican for 15 years before coming back to the US.

My info doesn't come from some "Catholics are bad" website on google....

As for Mormons, the original point of this thread, I would not base judgement of a religion on some "Mormons are freaks" website with poltical agendas so clearly in the news right now. Personally I have great relationships with Mormons, and I have found them to be the most honest people to do business with.

My point about the Catholic thing was that certain rituals look crazy from the outside (and no, I don't even know anyone that is involved in that freakish thing with the Rabbi's and the penis. I'm not chabbad and I think those guys are wacky myself). I have no problems with Catholics per se, and although I have certain reservations about the actions of the Catholic church in the world historically, I have no problems with the people that believe.

My point, and apparently you have all helped me prove it, is that religious prejudice based on the "knowledge" you can gleen from online websites that have an agenda, is a pretty piss poor way to figure out your opinions on such complex topics.

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Sure, and I talked to Rabbi who was senior Rabbi in Israel. As matter of fact he was a Rabbi to Rabbis and was teaching them how to properly lick penises. The Jewish way, not the gay way. And yes, he confirmed they like penises.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

OMG! At least 11 babies got herpes from a Rabbi! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...cision-ritual/

At least the catholics don't give the children they molest STD's!

Oh ye baby, sacred kosher herpes. I bet 2 dollars this Rabbi bolted out to Israel and now they won't extradite him citing "malicious prosecution of jews in america"

ManPuppy · 11-05-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

i dont know if this is true...but someone told me if you get visited by mormons and you ask them to help you say...paint your house....they will...as long as you discuss their church the whole time..

I will try exactly that the next time my cameraman calls off "sick." Excellent suggestion!

RKLover · 11-05-2012, 06:15 PM

In the beginning, the Chuch and State were one. The ruler was a living God or a descendant of the Gods.

Then men began to believe in self-actualization instead of pre-destiny. We learned that eclipses are caused by the rotation of the planets and moon and earthquakes are shifts in the earths plates.

Kind of throws all those religious fallacies under the bus.

Sadly, more men and women have died in the name of God than Stalin ever killed.

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 06:22 PM

this thread proves that the world would be better off if everyone just dumped all religions.

mineistaken · 11-05-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff

the only thing I know about Mormons is they wear magic underpants. other than that I dont know and dont care.

So you do not know that mormons can have more than one wife? Strange because THIS is the main and usually the only thing that most of the people in the world knows about them.

Joe Obenberger · 11-05-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Let me guess?
Catholics?

It's kinda crazy to be talking about this issue on a porn board, and pretty nuts to get into any kind of serious discussion on GFY, but here I am.

Michael is right on the money as usual.

And the whole issue was actually more intense in Christ's lifetime than it looks to us now.

One of the most rock-solid prohibitions in Judaism was the law against the drinking of blood. Blood was sacred - the essence of life - and permitted only for God when blood was spilled for him in the Temple Think back to Cain and Abel - It was blood sacriifice itself that satisfied God just as it was absolutely forbidden to men. The idea of consuming blood is emotionally repugnant to anyone raised as a Jew. Meat is treated with salt before cooking to draw out the blood.

In the face of that, Christ announced in public that no one could share in eternal life without drinking his blood and eating (the literal translation is "gnawing" as in gnawing a chicken bone) his body. Some of Christ's close followers were so disgusted with this that they talked to him about it, and he only dug into his position more fiercely. No metaphor was intended. John records that as a result of this harsh teaching, many of his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer followed him. John 7:66. They understood that he meant it just as it sounded. He later went on to say to remind his opposers that scripture called all of the followers of God, Gods. John 10:34, quoting Psalm 82:6.

This understanding is probably the biggest divide between Catholics and Orthodox on one side and Protestantism on the other.

helterskelter808 · 11-05-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

actually recently in the news the practice was in the spotlight because one rabbi gave the baby herpes which killed the kid. so people were lobbying to get it outlawed.

I guess it's a bit more difficult to ignore the death of a baby than it is to ignore Jewish leaders sucking off babies. Apparently the latter was not worth exposing.

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Oh ye baby, sacred kosher herpes. I bet 2 dollars this Rabbi bolted out to Israel and now they won't extradite him citing "malicious prosecution of jews in america"

Like US Navy traitor Jonathan Pollard who they keep demanding the release of?

Mutt · 11-05-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

It's kinda crazy to be talking about this issue on a porn board, and pretty nuts to get into any kind of serious discussion on GFY, but here I am.

Michael is right on the money as usual.

And the whole issue was actually more intense in Christ's lifetime than it looks to us now.

One of the most rock-solid prohibitions in Judaism was the law against the drinking of blood. Blood was sacred - the essence of life - and permitted only for God when blood was spilled for him in the Temple Think back to Cain and Abel - It was blood sacriifice itself that satisfied God just as it was absolutely forbidden to men. The idea of consuming blood is emotionally repugnant to anyone raised as a Jew. Meat is treated with salt before cooking to draw out the blood.

In the face of that, Christ announced in public that no one could share in eternal life without drinking his blood and eating (the literal translation is "gnawing" as in gnawing a chicken bone) his body. Some of Christ's close followers were so disgusted with this that they talked to him about it, and he only dug into his position more fiercely. No metaphor was intended. John records that as a result of this harsh teaching, many of his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer followed him. John 7:66. They understood that he meant it just as it sounded. He later went on to say to remind his opposers that scripture called all of the followers of God, Gods. John 10:34, quoting Psalm 82:6.

This understanding is probably the biggest divide between Catholics and Orthodox on one side and Protestantism on the other.

it sounds like you have studied religion seriously. From a secular academic perspective OR like Sperbonzo are you now or were you a practicing Jew or Christian?

You are describing an event in the life of Jesus that you believe is an actual historical real event OR a story written by the committee of writers who wrote the Bible long after his death?

Joe Obenberger · 11-05-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it sounds like you have studied religion seriously. From a secular academic perspective OR like Sperbonzo are you now or were you a practicing Jew or Christian?

You are describing an event in the life of Jesus that you believe is an actual historical real event OR a story written by the committee of writers who wrote the Bible long after his death?

The oldest physical fragments of the Book of John that have been uncovered are dated by the experts between 90 a.d. and 110 a.d. at the outside, and what's on those fragments tracks identically with the content of the current Koine Greek editions. It's pretty ancient and that same text has existed and endured since approximately the lifetime of some who actually had heard Christ preach. By contrast, no physical copy of any Hebrew Torah exists older than about 1100 a.d. (the Masoretic Text, the most respected, though some fragments from the Song of Solomon exist from the 800's.) What's curious about the passage I mentioned is that it's all John has to say about the Eucharist; unlike the other three gospels, the "synoptic" Matthew, Mark, and Luke, there is no account of the Last Supper or the institution of the Eucharist in John. Some speculate this is so to avoid laying out the ritual of the Eucharist in a writing that could be found by antagonists to Christianity, but still teaching the same message in veiled words, and from that, that it was written in a time of persecution.

As for me, my personal background away from law, government, and politics has nothing to do with anything, and, as a lawyer, laying such personal matters out in a place like this can only serve to alienate some people and encourage the kind of stupidity and crudity that has unfortunately become the lifeblood of GFY.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

It's kinda crazy to be talking about this issue on a porn board, and pretty nuts to get into any kind of serious discussion on GFY, but here I am.

Michael is right on the money as usual.

And the whole issue was actually more intense in Christ's lifetime than it looks to us now.

One of the most rock-solid prohibitions in Judaism was the law against the drinking of blood. Blood was sacred - the essence of life - and permitted only for God when blood was spilled for him in the Temple Think back to Cain and Abel - It was blood sacriifice itself that satisfied God just as it was absolutely forbidden to men. The idea of consuming blood is emotionally repugnant to anyone raised as a Jew. Meat is treated with salt before cooking to draw out the blood.

In the face of that, Christ announced in public that no one could share in eternal life without drinking his blood and eating (the literal translation is "gnawing" as in gnawing a chicken bone) his body. Some of Christ's close followers were so disgusted with this that they talked to him about it, and he only dug into his position more fiercely. No metaphor was intended. John records that as a result of this harsh teaching, many of his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer followed him. John 7:66. They understood that he meant it just as it sounded. He later went on to say to remind his opposers that scripture called all of the followers of God, Gods. John 10:34, quoting Psalm 82:6.

This understanding is probably the biggest divide between Catholics and Orthodox on one side and Protestantism on the other.

Congrats sir, you sound just as smart and inteligent as your buddy Mike. The only problem is there is no John 7:66 in the bible.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

as a lawyer....

Ok, I take that back. Maybe, just maybe, John did write additional 13 verses in chapter 7, still unpublished. We just haven't filed motion of discovery or called any witnesses to testify for him.

adult-help · 11-05-2012, 09:08 PM

i cant believe how anyone in USA takes this seriously..

epitome · 11-05-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Keep carrying on...

Peace and Love,

ADG

That song always puts me in a good place.

scottybuzz · 11-05-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Met a few of them at the front door, they're rather well brainwashed.

dillonaire · 11-05-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Buddhism is the only "religion" (even though its not really a religion) i can accept - mostly because it's more a concept of life and doesnt rely on imaginary gods

the rest is just nonsense to me

Agreed. Except for Santa...i still believe in him even though I havent got jack shit in 4 years! Not even coal, but I have a feeling this is my year.

Joe Obenberger · 11-05-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Ok, I take that back. Maybe, just maybe, John did write additional 13 verses in chapter 7, still unpublished. We just haven't filed motion of
discovery or called any witnesses to testify for him.

Typo. Chapter 6, v. 66.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Typo. Chapter 6, v. 66.

OK, I'll play. What does v. 63
You really think he's talking about cannibalism?

You can't be serious.

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57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Just Alex · 11-05-2012, 11:33 PM

Here, maybe this will help.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/john6pt2.htm

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To believe is to accept, internalize, and absorb--which is what eating is--taking in an outside substance, food inside of you. But unlike physical bread which is eaten and cast out through the digestive system, the spiritual bread, the word of God, is eaten/internalized through belief and never cast out. It remains inside of us. In verse 58, Jesus explains that when we eat him it is "NOT as your fathers did eat manna and are dead". It is not the same kind of eating. It is INTERNALIZING, ACCEPTING, BELIEVING HIM.

Just as we need physical bread to stay alive, we need belief in the Jesus and his sacrifice (spiritual bread) so that we can be born again and live forever. We need him and his flesh is meat indeed because it was broken for us on the cross to pay for our death penalty which we all deserve for our sins--hell and the lake of fire which is eternal death. If we repent and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and obey him according to his word, we will not experience spiritual death in the lake of fire. Instead we will be born again and be alive to God and his word and we will go to heaven and have eternal life. Believing/internalizing/eating this fact gives us eternal life. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. When we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, he helps us to overcome sin and the world. His grace helps us. After we get saved, even our desires change--and this does not take a long time. It is not contrived, it is natural.

What about the blood? Jesus' blood is lifesaving drink indeed because without the shedding of blood, there is no remission (forgiveness) of sins. We need blood, the blood of Jesus alone. God the Father sent his only begotten Son to die for us and to shed his blood so that we can be saved. The blood of Jesus is the propitiation of our sins. It is the payment. Without the blood of Jesus, we would have no hope. We have sinned and we all deserve the lake of fire, but God is not willing that any should perish. When we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins and we are reconciled to God who becomes our Father and we have a good future in front of us. We become children of God and we read his word and obey it and God helps us through life and when it is time to die, we go to live with God forever. Hebrews 9:22 says that blood is required in order to get forgiveness/remission of sins,

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Once again, if we accept Jesus, internalize him, receive him, yea eat him, we have ETERNAL LIFE. The people were talking about physical life, Jesus was talking about SPIRITUAL life. Look back at the passage--when asked what we have to do to do the works of God, Jesus said,

"He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting LIFE."

When we believe on Jesus Christ, he actually lives inside of us, never to be purged like physical bread.

Because I believe, Jesus lives in me. As we continue on in this passage, we will see that the Lord makes clear he is talking spiritually.

JOHN 6 VERSES 52 THROUGH 69

This caused the unbelieving Jews to say, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" They are still thinking about physical life and physical bread. Jesus is talking about spiritual life and spiritual bread. He has told them over and over that the work of God is to believe on him and they repeatedly refuse to believe on him and persist in seeking physical bread.

In v. 55, Jesus said, "My flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." Many people were offended at the thought of this. Because of their unbelief, they were still thinking in the physical realm.

What about the disciples that left him? Was it because they had to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood? No! They left because just like the others they did not believe in the Lord. Because they did not believe, they could not understand what Jesus was saying (see I Cor 2:14).

baddog · 11-05-2012, 11:39 PM

I have to admit, I find myself conflicted that I have to side with Alex; especially Michael and JD, but they have just blown me away. I hope they are just trolling . . . . please Lord.

Drake · 11-05-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

And I've posted at least three times in this thread that Judiasm has plenty of wacky stuff when seen from the outside.... even from the inside, in my opinion.

Maybe it's time to give it all up rather than promote a 'your religion is so much whackier than my religion' perspective.

Just Alex · 11-06-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I have to admit, I find myself conflicted that I have to side with Alex; especially Michael and JD, but they have just blown me away. I hope they are just trolling . . . . please Lord.

Another senior moment or basic need to be grumpy asshole?

Joe Obenberger · 11-06-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Here, maybe this will help.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/john6pt2.htm

Hey Pal, I'm not here to argue the theology of transubstantiation, but it's clear that's what you'd like to do here. No thanks.

Michael has stated the Catholic position more or less accurately and that's my point here: Catholics believe that Christ is bodily present in the Eucharist, that the bread and wine have become his actual body and blood through a miracle, though still appearing to remain bread and wine, their substance has been changed to body and blood. Aha, you observe, but they still look and taste like bread and wine! The Catholic Church teaches that things are not always what they appear to be, and they are "accidents" in the philosophy of Aristotle and the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas. That's the essence of transubstantiation, a bitterly contested issue during the Protestant Reformation. Some Protestants went so far as to accept consubstantiation, the idea that the consecrated species in the Eucharist were simultaneously bread and wine but also the body and blood of Christ; but most of the Protestant leaders thought that it was just a symbol. (By the way, Mormons substitute water for the wine because of the teachings in the Word of Wisdom about alcohol, and many of the Bible Thumper sects - the ones who oppose this industry and who join AFA and MIM - substitute grape juice.) If you find it hard to believe that the Catholics really believe this, you can check it out yourself in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 1374-1377. (That same Catechism takes the position that all governments should outlaw pornography, and while it condemns prostitution, it's notably silent about suggesting that prostitution should be outlawed. In this respect, it tracks with the teaching of Aquinas, though it disregards his reasoning that things which protect against sexual predation should not be outlawed.)

Joe Obenberger · 11-06-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I have to admit, I find myself conflicted that I have to side with Alex; especially Michael and JD, but they have just blown me away. I hope they are just trolling . . . . please Lord.

Baddog, I'm taking no position here except that Michael does accurately understand what Catholics believe. Whether it's true or false, crazy, stupid or wise, is not my concern here, just accuracy.

Slappin Fish · 11-06-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Sure, and I talked to Rabbi who was senior Rabbi in Israel. As matter of fact he was a Rabbi to Rabbis and was teaching them how to properly lick penises. The Jewish way, not the gay way. And yes, he confirmed they like penises.

hineken · 11-06-2012, 02:11 AM

I don't give a faq

Phoenix · 11-06-2012, 02:16 AM

Typically no one wins when you argue religion or politics or anything labelled as a conspiracy.

so...everyone can just back away before it gets personal

MaDalton · 11-06-2012, 04:47 AM

BlackCrayon · 11-06-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

So you do not know that mormons can have more than one wife? Strange because THIS is the main and usually the only thing that most of the people in the world knows about them.

thats not true anyways. at one time sure, but they stopped that around 1890. the only groups that continued broke off from the mormon church and started their own.

halfpint · 11-06-2012, 06:44 AM

I just thought they wore funny hats had long beards and many wives ..Do they have gang bangs with all thier wifes together ?

slapass · 11-06-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

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Bullshit.

Nope, the Catholic Church stance is the host is transformed into the body of Christ. Not ritual but actual cannibalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchari...atholic_Church

Just Alex · 11-06-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Hey Pal, I'm not here to argue the theology of transubstantiation, but it's clear that's what you'd like to do here. No thanks.

Michael has stated the Catholic position more or less accurately and that's my point here: Catholics believe that Christ is bodily present in the Eucharist, that the bread and wine have become his actual body and blood through a miracle, though still appearing to remain bread and wine, their substance has been changed to body and blood. Aha, you observe, but they still look and taste like bread and wine! The Catholic Church teaches that things are not always what they appear to be, and they are "accidents" in the philosophy of Aristotle and the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas. That's the essence of transubstantiation, a bitterly contested issue during the Protestant Reformation. Some Protestants went so far as to accept consubstantiation, the idea that the consecrated species in the Eucharist were simultaneously bread and wine but also the body and blood of Christ; but most of the Protestant leaders thought that it was just a symbol. (By the way, Mormons substitute water for the wine because of the teachings in the Word of Wisdom about alcohol, and many of the Bible Thumper sects - the ones who oppose this industry and who join AFA and MIM - substitute grape juice.) If you find it hard to believe that the Catholics really believe this, you can check it out yourself in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 1374-1377. (That same Catechism takes the position that all governments should outlaw pornography, and while it condemns prostitution, it's notably silent about suggesting that prostitution should be outlawed. In this respect, it tracks with the teaching of Aquinas, though it disregards his reasoning that things which protect against sexual predation should not be outlawed.)

Bible is nothing but a book of parables with philosophical meaning. Ever read any Hindu books? Now thats some stuff. Want to talk about elephants with 6 arms and reincarnation into a bug?
You really want to take everything literally just because it says so? So let me get this straight, Torah is nothing but book of arguments between Rabbis and shouldn't be taken literally, yet when the bible says take my body and few verses later explains that body means "my words and faith in me", you describe this as cannibalism? Some scholar you are!

slapass · 11-06-2012, 07:08 AM

This is what Catholics are told to believe. i understand you are not getting this but that is their current teachings/beliefs, not some verse in the bible.

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