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Under Obama, CEO's of the largest companies in the US agree with you. http://jobcreatorsalliance.org/ I will put my faith into people that have done significant things. Not in people that report or teach about significant things. |
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One thing I will say is that Bloomberg, Christie, or Cuomo would be MUCH better choices than either Romney or Obama. I'd have voted Bloomberg before the storm, but Christie and Cuomo have really done a lot to prove themselves in the past week. If they want to get reelected I'd expect 80-90% of the people in their jurisdictions would vote for them regardless of party affiliations. Zero nonsense, surprising efficiency and absolutely no political gamesmanship. I'm almost starting to hope for a large national storm to do the same thing on a federal level. |
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I'm looking to invest in the US in the next 12 months (business and property), and honestly, I'm more worried about the money with Romney's plan. With Obama I see another 4 or so years of roughly the same trajectory, glacially slow improvements, nothing great, a marginally better result at the end, but some stability. With Romney I see middle class buying power eroding and reducing demand but lots of speculative opportunities on the market with the tax rates being lowered, especially on cap gains. It might be an ok initial ride but is likely to implode faster with more speculation and less demand in the "real" economy. The Economist recently endorsed Obama too (somewhat reluctantly). As a "job creator" I also recognise the jobs I've offshored and that personally, more tax cuts means more speculative trading, not more local jobs. |
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http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/b...obama-2012.jpg Forward. |
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Great links! Thanks. And thanks for rightly pointing out that it's the REPUBLICANS who have flatly refused to work with Obama from day-fucking-one. http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-cont...arty-of-NO.jpg Obama 2012. |
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Do you think under a republican president you'd have done better? Not an attack post, just curious. |
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And what makes you think I don't own a business? I don't discuss my mainstream businesses here; I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations. |
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I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress. The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures. |
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The new plant was great timing for us. The company that was selling is a very large multi-billion dollar organization. Because they were committed to selling the plant we got a great deal on it. I have known you since the beginning of the internet. I have seen you move to many different jobs. If I assumed incorrectly then I apologize. |
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Some of the things I would like to see discussed on a national level would be strongly pro-business and pro-social initiatives. It can be done but it would be hard. I would like to see you and business people like you be rewarded for hiring people in the US, providing medical benefits to your employees, rewarded for expanding your businesses here in the US. Basically anything that will allow you to build your business, export products and hire more Americans I want you rewarded for that. If GE can do things in such a way that they end up paying no taxes then so should your business. On your personal wealth, I have no idea what your tax rate is but if it is 13.8% you should be paying more. On the flip side I think corporations that create jobs in other countries should be taxed HARD... I'll say it, taxed punitively. I hate NAFTA and WTO and back when I was a democrat I was embarrassed that a democrat President agreed to that crap. I believe that it is a fact that a strong middle class, an educated and healthy populace is great for our national economy and people like you who actually do create jobs should be heralded even if you're political views are twisted. :winkwink: |
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And you use the word *if* with Romney. With Obama it's not a question. He's already given the answer. |
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A business is going to hire if there is a DEMAND for their products. Tax rates, and all of that other yoke is a bunch of nonsense, and has been debunked by plenty of the rich and millionaires in the past year.
If the economy is strong, and there is demand for their goods, they hire. If not, they hold off until they feel confident in the finances and economic growth. It is really that simple. To think a millionaire or business owner is going to be experiencing growth and not going to expand because darkie is in the white house is asinine. No business owner is going to sit on their thumbs for 4 years just because of some tax policy. You have to reinvigorate the middle class, and then they will buy your products, and hence you'll have growth. There are a number of ways to do this, none of which is more government hand outs. This is where the focus should be. Driving the engine of commerce. Which is the buying power of the middle class. :2 cents: |
It's been said on the internet and therefore it is true. Chuck Norris said so.
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The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed.
We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better. :2 cents: |
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We'll turn it back on AFTER the election. There's too much hate and shit for me right now. lol |
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i find the idea of my business doing good, rising demand etc and then holding off investments because of whoever is president (who cannot decide much alone anyways as we have learned) weird.
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Putting Romney in office with his 22% failure rate and 37% approval rate when he left office is not going to stimulate businesses. Why don't you just tell us the truth - you stand to benefit if a business man like Romney takes office. |
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And after seeing what Bush/Ashcroft did to many of adult webmasters, why anybody here would vote for an ultra-conservative religious candidate - just to end up in jail later? :helpme
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Do I stand to benefit under a Romney administration? Of course. A large resounding YES. Keep in mind. If I am able to benefit so will the people that we currently employ and those people that we will hire. |
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Do you really think the last 4 years in adult has been good? |
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However,this post about the Japanese philosophy does merit comment. Tomorrow we have an election. |
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You sit there and say "I am the one creating jobs" but at the same time the people that work for you are working harder for less. I have a friend of mine who has worked for the same company for fifteen years. For the past ten years her raises have failed to match the increase in cost of her health insurance. Each year she's making less and less. Your driving around in exotic sport cars while the people who work for you nearly lost their houses. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem. You want to tax the middle class more and lower your taxes so you can what - afford another exotic car or another exotic vacation while the guy who sweeps your floor just lost his house? |
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For everyone of your friends that have been beaten down by society I can show you someone that has done well. They went to school. They served the military, then went to school. They followed a path and didn't change direction everytime the wind did. Your flair for the dramatic is impressive. No one that works in our organization has lost their home or suffered much at all during this downturn. Every year, we have given raises and bonuses. And we have fired people too. People that have problems getting to work on time. People that tell managers to GFY,people who have not mastered the skills to do even simple work. When people fail in life, odds are high it's self-inflicted. Choose better friends. |
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There is ego, then there is EGO, and then there is Hopelessly Insecure people with Massive Egos that are Dead Inside and that is the category you fall within. If impressing a few teenage webmasters on GFY is your thing, go ahead, but your non stop drivel about what you have and how important it must be yours to keep shows what a lost soul you are. I would be embarrassed if you were my friend. I have seen your type for most of my life as I grew up in "old money" and I can smell the gauche nouveau riche (and poser wanabes) a mile away. You reek. If your assets dwindle, so will your self worth and all of your friends as well - just like a coke head. |
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There are plenty of people here at GFY that aren't 15 year old webmasters that appreciate debating with the other side. If they didn't..the thread would quickly fade to page 2. |
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The key is getting the people with egos to accept a stewardship of the people without them (rather than abusing smaller people for sport). Unions had a role in that, civics did as well. Making people feel a connection to the people who work for them and live near them is essential. Minte does well and takes good care of those who work for him. His Achilles blind spot is that he thinks if others were left to their own devices they would do the same. In fact most people need to be regulated and encouraged to do what's right for the greater good. Once the 90% of wealthy people who are good natured and self made understand its the 10% of the wealthy who aren't that are making our problems (and not poor people who cost much less than that small group of trust fund oligarchs) the Mintes of the world will find themselves siding with prudent regulation rather than the trumps and other asshats of the world. |
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I have chosen to avoid most of these types of "discussions" as you call it, but have put up with years and years of your self inflated, narrow minded, self absorbed egotistical barrages that show no compassion or responsibility to others or the world in general and are just a way of you showing off irresponsible and juvenile toys. I actually felt bad for you even with your delusions of grandeur but enough is enough. |
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None of the insults you hurled stick to Minte at all. I fucking hate Republicans and I'd be honored to sit down for a beer with him. |
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