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DavePlays 02-16-2003 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
I never said that the cost of the events of 9/11 were going to be less.. I said that 9/11 was the nail in the coffin.

Enron, Worldcom and the like were just terrorist attacked carried out by people in $1000.00 suits. Our economy was in a very fragile state, before 9/11. Those "terrorist" acts have been swepped under the rug, by Bush and his big money buddies. You dont think the terrorist of 9/11 knew they could deliver the final blow to the US ecomony?


So like I said - if it wasn't for 9/11 - you can only guess what the economy would be like today.

You have your guess - I have my guess.

The problems with Enron didn't begin when Bush Jr. was swore in. The totaly inflated stock market - completely out of line and was way too high by all standards of finance was given to us by Clinton.

There's just so much you can blame on one man - even if he's President...

LadyMischief 02-16-2003 07:59 PM

I figure we should just round up all those women, mothers, grandmothers, motherinlaws, you name it, the ones who's made it an art and a lifetime's goal to inflict guilt trips on everyone within a 100 mile radius and send parachute them in. I can almost guarantee within 2 hours the entire country will be sobbing like a naughty child and Saddam will agree to play nice forever and ever amen, as long as he can still have some of gramma's cookies.

DavePlays 02-16-2003 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by nikudorei
do nothing.
The US put saddam in power, live with yah governments fuck up and get over it.

:ak47: = :2 cents:


Well... You can be glad that isn't the way it works here 'mate'.

we're going to fix it.


:thumbsup

PerfectionGirls 02-16-2003 08:06 PM

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The problems with Enron didn't begin when Bush Jr. was swore in. The totaly inflated stock market - completely out of line and was way too high by all standards of finance was given to us by Clinton.
I agree 100%

My point was.... If Bush had dealt with the ecomony as aggressively as he has gone after Saddam... we might have a much better outlook on our future and he might have had a prayer in hell of getting re-elected.

XXXManager 02-16-2003 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Enron, Worldcom and the like were just terrorist attacked carried out by people in $1000.00 suits.[/B]
You seem to have no idea what terrorism is. You will once you live in the shadow of it.
Terrorism is not "bad thins you hear about in the TV/Radio".
Terrorism (of the effect of it) is - not being able to conduct your life freely due to fear of getting hurt, killed or tourtured etc.. by someone else who has this effect on you just to get what he wants.
Enron/Worldcom were crimes indeed, but don't get carried away mixing terms and calling it terrorism. It makes your arguments less clear and logical.

JeremySF 02-16-2003 08:42 PM

Get your facts straight. America--like western Europe and most of the west--did support Iraq until the late 80s. Why? Because Saddam seemed a lesser evil than his archrival, Iran. A secular madman is genarally preferable to a fanactical religious madman.

A little history lesson:

Saddam Hussein has been the most powerful man in Iraq for over 3 decades. A family relative, Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr, came to power as president of Iraq in a coup d'etat. Thanks to a promotion by Ahmad, Saddam eventually seized power, and through brutal intimidation, torture, suppression of dissent, he and the Ba'ath Party have been in power ever since.

Quote:

Originally posted by nikudorei
do nothing.
The US put saddam in power, live with yah governments fuck up and get over it.

:ak47: = :2 cents:


JeremySF 02-16-2003 09:49 PM

Interesting article...thanks! What I find most interesting is that this guy Francisco Gil-White has changed his view and acknowledged. Refreshing, given that most people (particulary in the press) find it problematic to change their stance, much less admit it.



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Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does
No need to hate to break it to me :)
Been doing a quick piece of research, and I withdraw my statement about it being the No 1 reason, however, I still think it has significant affect having read a few diverse articles.

Also found this page;
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/...01gilwhite.htm

It is so easy to forget events. This page has reasons for Arab hostility towards the US, and while I absolutely do not subscribe to some of them, it's still an interesting read.



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Hate to break it to you, the Palestinian/Israel problem is symbol over substance. Bin Laden has only recently begun using Israel/Palestine as one of his complaints.

The real reasons behind islamo-fascism is as follows:

Believe it or not, during the golden age of Islam, Islam had pronounced influence throughout the world in science, culture and politics. The decline of Islam, which had been going on for centuries, but the final blow, the disbanding of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, left muslims wondering what happened. Over the years, the people in the NEWLY defined muslim nations became increasingly disatisfied with regimes and leaders that western powers France and England installed. For years muslims vented their anger at their own governments. But in contemperary times they increasingly began venting their angst outward, to the western supporters of their corrupt governments.

For example, Mubarek in Egypt has a long history of oppressing and quelling disent in that country, yet Egypt has long been one of the leading recipients of U.S. aid (they rank 2nd).

Osama and his lot who also despised their own governments viewed much of their struggle as a struggle against modernity. They yearned for return of the golden age of Islam. They see moderninty as the root cause for the decline of Islam.

If their were peace in Israel and the disputed territories tomorrow, unfortunately terrorism would continue to exist. To cite Israel-Palestine as the source of most of the muslim world's hatred towards the west is not only naive, but a reckless and irresponsible propagagation of one of the greatest myths of the middle east.




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Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does

The US to help solve the Palestine/Israel problem instead of simply supporting the Israelies. (No 1 reason US hated).



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escorpio 02-16-2003 11:18 PM

WWJD?

kevinl 02-17-2003 02:01 AM

Muslims in most of the middle east live in poverty. Did you see the pics from Afghanistan? A religion/culture that has shown no real advancement in 1500 years is certainly going to begin to get followers that become disgruntled. You then have two choices: change your way of life or destroy a competing and/or more successful one.
Outside of oil, the Arab countries have not made major investments in any other indusries. Therefore, when the oil runs out they go back to herding sheep.

nike 02-17-2003 05:55 AM

... just send all your Arab traffic to dialers.
:2 cents:

JeremySF 02-17-2003 06:33 PM

I still haven't heard any of the dove side offer any real alternatives to making Saddam comply with inspections other than force???

kevinl 02-18-2003 02:18 AM

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I still haven't heard any of the dove side offer any real alternatives to making Saddam comply with inspections other than force???

There are none.

The only cure for a rabid dog is to kill him.

ADL Colin 02-18-2003 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Although completely suppressed in the U.S. media, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking. The upcoming war in Iraq war is mostly about how the ruling class at Langley and the Bush oligarchy view hydrocarbons at the geo-strategic level, and the overarching macroeconomic threats to the U.S. dollar from the euro.

The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration's goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves.


You need to lay off the conspiracy websites, man. You are presenting your or someone else's opinions regarding Bush's motives as fact. Statements that begin with "the real reason for ..." come straight from the best-seller and highly popular "Conspiracy Theories for Dummies". They can also be found in blogs written by John Q. Layman from his bunker in the middle of Missouri after he gets home from his job at the jellybean factory.


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