But you have no proof of fake science being used in the case of HAARP. The real science behind HAARP is pretty much out there in the open and so far there is not one credible piece of scientific evidence proving that HAARP can do and/or does what the conspiracy theories claim. The only fake science in this case is the conspiracy theories claiming that HAARP can do things that it really can't do.

Do you really think that out of all the researchers working with HAARP, from a whole bunch of different universities, that not a single one of them would speak out about HAARP being used as a WMD? Are they all that evil? Or are you now going to say that those people conveniently disappear without a trace?

Fake Science is to cover stuff up, it's fake results, like Fluoride Science, it's important to keep track of what they're trying to 'Fake'.

Science has the ability to influence weather on very small scales. It does not have the ability to control it - especially not on the scale of hurricanes.

How do you know that the science I believe in, is fake, but the science that you believe in, is real?

I'm not going to spend a lot of time here giving a lesson, but watch the documentaries, then watch the sky and you'll see it going on in front of your own eyes. I've been observing what's going on for many years now, once you do this you'll be left in no doubt.

Remember once upon a time they told you Fluoride was good for your teeth, whereas now they're telling us it bad for our brains and doesn't appear to be doing much good for our teeth. It's very easily to pay guys to come out with fake science, the real information is held on a 'need to know' basis.

It is indeed very easy to control the weather, relative to the other stuff we can do :thumbsup

Sure. Keep believing that. Shit Brain.

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Ah yes. When you have nothing to back up your argument, resort to the old 'the Government can't keep a secret' cliche. Sure, buddy. We're kept in the loop about everything the Government/military does, and why. Now go back to sleep, and don't forget your teddy bear.

Some eyes can see what they want to see when they already have a preconceived notion of what it is they are looking for. :2 cents:

I watch lots of documentaries about fringe theories like UFO's, bigfoot, paranormal activity, etc. But it still doesn't mean I believe any of it is real. I find the thought of much of it very interesting and cool but I have yet to see any convincing evidence for any of it. Thankfully I am still able to tell the difference between science fiction/fantasy and real science.

And the case of fluoride isn't a great comparison to something like HAARP. Science isn't infallible and it is allowed to change to correct findings of the past. They used to think fluoride was good for teeth so they added it to water. Now new evidence may be uncovering harmful effects of fluoride. If it is found to be harmful then it should be removed from the water supply. Either way water fluoridation is not some nefarious mind control or population control scheme.

Prove it. If it is very easy to do it should be very easy for you to prove.

Ummmm, ookay. I will. Because you have given me no reason not to. :eek7

That was a technique the CIA recommended to their media assets in a 1967 memo, they've used it ever since, especially so with 9/11

The 'Fluoride Science' was manipulated deliberately, look into who funded it and what their agenda was. No accident

In the US it's the Rockefeller's who promote the use of Fluoride, they were the family who funded Hitler. The Nazis used Fluoride to make people more docile and complacent.

One thing I've witnessed with my own eyes is chemtrails being sprayed up and down the edges of storms, this is to put a metallic substance into them, making them easy to control via HAARP

This video shows it happening with Sandy (3 minutes 30 seconds)

If you have a genuine interest; research it for yourself. That way, it won't be my idea and you can take all the credit.
It's not up to me to educate you :2 cents:

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/...hitheadjpg.jpg

By what mechanism is HAARP able to control a storm via said "metallic substance"? This is the theory yet you cannot not even name the metallic substance? How much of the metallic substance has to be sprayed to control something the size of Sandy? If all of this is so rudimentary that a bunch of internet conspiracy theorists can figure it out why isn't Iran, North Korea, China or Russia using it to screw with the US? Why would the US turn it's own super weapon on itself? :Oh crap

Dude, listen, you are a nice guy - unlike some of the other members of your cult around here. At least you can make your arguments without acting like a 12 year old. But when you believe in things that cannot be proven no one will ever be able to disprove them to you. That is why religion still persists the way it does today. It's a waste of time for me to try to change your mind because anything I say can just be countered with another non-falsifiable claim.

:2 cents:

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I haven't got a long time to spend on this, I'd recommend anyone who wants to learn more to watch some documentaries and to start observing what's going on in the sky.

To answer your questions

- Aluminum is sprayed

- A lot is needed for a hurricane the size of Sandy, see the video I posted below showing the aluminum chemtrails being sprayed all around Sandy.

- The US isn't using it on themselves, it's Rothschild (Globalist Bankers) using it as a pretext for Climate Taxes, and also to help their puppet Obama get in.

:1orglaugh I'm playing games and have multiple nicks?

Ah, there we go. The typical truther tactic.
Thruthers make crazy claims 24/7. They spread their nonsense all day long as much as possible. People need to wake up. But wheb those people ask for evidence they will tell you to fuck off and find the evidence yourself.

You will find this same behaviour from truthers on every single forum on the internet.

Ofcourse next on the list is "why don't you prove my claim is wrong". Truthers love that one!

We haven't got time to babysit you Dirty F, if you want to know you'll take the ball and run with it, you've got the Internet at your fingertips. :2 cents:

Post some fucking proof!

I know you're just after a discussion to keep the forum active, anyone who's really interested will spend time watching documentaries and searching around on Google. :2 cents:

You should probably tell that to all of these people who run the DHS Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP)

Session 2C
Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP)
Chair: William R. Cotton, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO
10:15 AM 2C.1 The Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP): A HAMP Contribution wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Joe Golden, Golden Research & Consulting, Boulder, CO; and W. L. Woodley
10:30 AM 2C.2 Simulation of a landfalling hurricane using spectral bin microphysical model: effects of aerosols on hurricane intensity (the HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Alexander P. Khain, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and B. Lynn and J. Dudhia
10:45 AM 2C.3 Effects of aerosols on the Tropical Cyclone genesis as seen from simulations using spectral bin microphysics model (the HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Barry Lynn, Weather It Is, LTD, Efrat, Israel; and A. P. Khain
11:00 AM 2C.4 Spray microphysics and effects on surface fluxes as seen from simulations using a Lagrangian model with spectral bin microphysics extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Jacob Shpund, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel
11:15 AM 2C.5 Can aerosols explain hurricane prediction errors?
Michal Clavner, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and D. Rosenfeld
11:30 AM 2C.6 Mechanisms of lightning formation in deep maritime clouds and hurricanes (The HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Nir Benmoshe, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and A. Khain, A. Pokrovsky, and V. Phillips
11:45 AM 2C.7 Feasibility study of the modification of the intensity of tropical cyclones by seeding CCN with an aircraft : A HAMP Project wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Gustavo G. Carrio, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO; and W. R. Cotton

https://ams.confex.com/ams/29Hurrica...sion_24276.htm

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Your thoughts please Porn Hater?

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/

Doesn't like Icke or Jones too much, but still posting pretty much the same theories from I've seen, just come accross said link so haven't read/watched much on there at all yet.

after reading this thread now I think romney has a better chance of winning. more idiots out there then I thought

HAARP does not create hurricanes. It creates conditions that are right for hurricanes to form. And it does this again and again until one does form.

negro please. science is the polar opposite of religion.

while it might take a generation for new scientific ideas to gain traction, religious "ideas" (better named as Irrational Supertitions) last centuries.

I hate responding to fake nicks and i'm neither here nor there on this particular issue but.....

Yeah, because things always happen according to the 'Official Story' :disgust

http://www.thecycleseen.com/wp-conte...ad-in-sand.jpg

you know, you occasionally have good points. but then you ruin your credibility with idiotic statements like this

gosh, i'm sorry. i should never question your perfect understanding of everything.

i now genuflect in your general direction and vow never to question your hyper-superior intellect ever again

It was sunny and 82 today. The ocean was the perfect temp. Should I thank HAARP?

Its now down to 65. Should I blame HAARP?

Democrats=scam...... check
Repulicans=scam..... check
Religion=scam.... check
Scientology (scienced based religion)=scam... check
Scientist making up shit to get grants=scam.. check
Science=scam. unchecked.......

And these people

Project Stormfury attempted to weaken hurricanes in the 1960s and 70s
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weath...tormfury_x.htm




"In less than two weeks, NASA scientists will begin their quest for the holy grail of hurricane research.

The exact conditions required to kickstart a tropical depression into a hurricane largely remain a mystery. Though scientists know many of the ingredients needed, it is unclear what processes ultimately drive depressions to form into the intense, spinning storms that lash the U.S. coasts each summer.

"Hurricane formation and intensification is really the ‘holy grail' of this field," said Ed Zipser, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Utah and one of three program scientists helping to lead the Genesis and Rapid Intensification Processes (GRIP) experiment this summer. "

"“We want to see storms that become hurricanes, and we want to see some that don’t become hurricanes, so we can compare the data. The same is true for hurricane intensification.” ~ GRIP Project Manager Marilyn Vasques"

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...-quest_prt.htm


Scientists a step closer to steering hurricanes
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...urricanes.html

http://www.infowars.com/hurricane-ae...-modification/

Quote:

?While OAR recognizes that weather modification, in general, is occurring through the funding of private enterprises, NOAA does not support research that entails efforts to modify hurricanes,? Spinrad wrote. He then went on to list all the reasons Project Stormfury was discontinued, including the inability to separate the difference in hurricane behavior when human intervention is present versus nature?s inherent unpredictability overall. Spinrad also noted that any collaboration with DHS must occur within NOAA?s mission (which Spinrad and NOAA obviously felt HAMP did not do).

You took those quotes out of context. They are talking about research into why and how hurricanes form and rapidly intensify. They are not talking about forming and intensifying hurricanes on their own. The holy grail they refer to is being able to predict hurricane formation and intensity.

Water covers 70% of the earth, which causes the sky to reflect blue all around the world.

This is why the sky is blue.

"Note that even Spinrad admits the existence of weather modification programs as if its general, accepted knowledge. Although DHS was turned down, the agency moved ahead with their research without NOAA’s participation."

Funny how you quoted a "conspiracy theorists" site.

Where does NASA come in?

“We recommend that hurricane reconnaissance and research airplanes are equipped with aerosol and cloud physics instruments and fly patterns that will allow such measurements.” Drone use in “areas where safety concerns preclude aircraft measurements” was also called for."

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/...S-D-11-00147.1

Ask yourself.. What is the Department of Homeland Security doing studying hurricanes? Aren't they suppose to be protecting us from Al Qaeda via body scanners?

They moved ahead with "research". Doesn't say anywhere that that research resulted in the capability to create and control hurricanes.

Quoted a conspiracy theorist's site on purpose.

"research" has been going on for decades.

Nah they can't control them.

Once again

Scientists a step closer to steering hurricanes
21 Oct 2007

"Moshe Alamaro, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), told The Sunday Telegraph of his plans to "paint" the tops of hurricanes black by scattering carbon particles – either soot or black particles from the manufacture of tyres – from aircraft flying above the storms. The particles would absorb heat from the sun, leading to changes in the airflows within the storm. Satellites could also heat the cloud tops by beaming microwaves from space.

"If they're done in the right place at the right time they can affect the strength of the hurricane," Mr Alamaro said."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...urricanes.html

It's pretty obvious they are admittedly trying to "detensify" now if you consider them using weather modification in war as far back as Vietnam wouldn't you think someone would also try and intensify as well for whatever nefarious pupose?

That's all based on theory and computer models - a whole bunch of could, would and should. They have never done it in the real world.

I think these retards will soon find out that nature is far more chaotic and variable than their little video games. And they will be rudely introduced to the law of unintended consequences.

Besides, this thread started out with the claim that Sandy was created by HAARP. The leap from seeding a storm in order to weaken it to HAARP creating and then steering a storm into the most populous area of the country is a pretty huge one.