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  • BNMedia
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2009
    • 433
    #1

    Cavecreek DMCA Policy

    It sucks!

    I sent a DMCA notice to Cavecreek hosting company yesterday as one of their clients has ignored three different methods of contacting them to remove links to our content from one of their forums.
    Cavecreeks dmca representative responded to my usual dmca email with a request to re-send my notice as a physical signed document via fax or scanned email, or via their own docusign form.
    How many people have encountered this kind of practice before?
    I've sent hundreds of dmca emails before to file lockers and file sharing forums and never had a problem with my usual offial dmca email before.
    Now, I get a response from what I thought would be a responsible host asking me to jump though hoops to get links to our content removed from their servers! I thought it was only file sharing sites that made things difficult for legitimate copyright owners.

    The particular offending site is Femaledom.com who are a paysite themselves and I would have expected better from. Yet, if you look at one of their forums such as http://www.femaledom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81 you will see links like:
    Ballbusting Chicks -Not As Expected
    BustedBalls.co.uk SiteRip
    Brat Princess - Madison - Relentless Ball Kicking
    Kinky Kicks -Party Poppers
    All of the above are clearly file sharing posts which surely any respectable host would see and act on don't you think?

    Cavecreek are partners of CCBill and the latter are possibly losing money by enforcing these stringent requirements in my opinion.
    I certainly wouldn't touch Cavecreek for hosting now at any time in the future even if they offered it for free!!!

    The actual file lockers have deleted our content now two days after our official dmca, but I'm pursuing the remaining links out of principal that a so called pay site is turning a blind eye to piracy on their site.
    Femdom webmasters I would certainly take a look at the forum of femaledom.com and see if your content is also being shared there.
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    • shake
      frc
      • Jul 2003
      • 4663
      #2
      Seems like it must be a full time job these days for content owners to look for content theft.
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        • bean-aid
          So Fucking Banned
          • Jun 2011
          • 16493
          #3
          All you have to do is typically follow the posters name. If you want to play whack-a-mole for the remainder of the time the internet exists as you know it then keep sending DMCA notices.

          That board is not *nearly* as bad as some but bad just as well.

          This is what happens when you DMCA the file locker...

          "Originally Posted by deivis19
          links are working, just tested.

          nvm, it was removed and set to premium only.

          new links:
          http://luckyshare.net/6049707078
          http://luckyshare.net/1275791369"

          See, they just re-upload it and carry on as usual.

          http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1072777 may be able to help

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            • AdultKing
              Raise Your Weapon
              • Jun 2003
              • 15601
              #4
              Are you cc'ing copies of the notices to infringements @ copycontrol.org ?

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                • BNMedia
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 433
                  #5
                  I know that the forum I named above is a relatively small resource for file sharers compared to some. My beef was with the fact that the file locker (luckyshare.net) dragged their feet over my dmca's so I pursued the forum owner. When the forum owner ignored my requests I contacted their host, Cavecreek. Now I don't expect a paysite owner to ignore dmca's and I certainly don't expect a US based hosting provider to get anal about physical signatures on the document!

                  I'm very aware of the stop filelockers thread and I posted in there only a couple of days ago with regard to Luckyshare.
                  However, I wasn't aware of copycontrol.org and will remember that, thank you.
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                    • Grapesoda
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 46238
                      #6
                      Originally posted by BNMedia
                      I know that the forum I named above is a relatively small resource for file sharers compared to some. My beef was with the fact that the file locker (luckyshare.net) dragged their feet over my dmca's so I pursued the forum owner. When the forum owner ignored my requests I contacted their host, Cavecreek. Now I don't expect a paysite owner to ignore dmca's and I certainly don't expect a US based hosting provider to get anal about physical signatures on the document!

                      I'm very aware of the stop filelockers thread and I posted in there only a couple of days ago with regard to Luckyshare.
                      However, I wasn't aware of copycontrol.org and will remember that, thank you.
                      cavecreek=ccbill?

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                        • baddog
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 107089
                          #7
                          Originally posted by BNMedia
                          I certainly don't expect a US based hosting provider to get anal about physical signatures on the document!
                          I hope that was a joke.

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                            • Barefootsies
                              Choice is an Illusion
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Grapesoda
                              cavecreek=ccbill?
                              CCBill = cave creek = secured servers = phoenixnap

                              That is not really anything "news worthy" however. A lot of old CCBill people work on the hosting side.

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                                • bean-aid
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jun 2011
                                  • 16493
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                  I hope that was a joke.
                                  Many of these forums break the individual post URL so they show up as 404. You can see everything via the thread URL but cannot pinpoint the exact URL. By doing so, you cannot provide a specific URL to the post linking to your content via filelocker and every host then gives you this message:

                                  "As with all DMCA claims, we review the information submitted and take action expeditiously in accordance with US Federal Law. Looking at your claim, you only list one URL that is infringing though you reference others. Please be advised that the DMCA requires us to only take action regarding specific URL?s that are identified in the claim. For this reason, I recommend that you forward to me a complete DMCA claim with links and other identifying information so that I can take action in regard to this claim."

                                  Obviously the sole purpose is too make the process incredibly difficult for content owners and is basically just protecting thieves.

                                  femaledom.com does not currently break the specific URL's but many others do. Probably just a matter of time for them. They also don't have 100's upon 100's of thread posts linking to filelockers, again, likely just a matter of time as well.

                                  DMCA notices are completely ineffective *IF* they are sent to the filelockers, the site owner, and/or the host only. If you do get something removed, it just pops back up in more places then it started.

                                  Remove it from the filelocker... it gets uploaded again with another URL.
                                  Remove it from a thread... it will be in another thread and other forums.
                                  Send DMCA to host, all kinds of bullshit which doesn't even matter except maybe to establish a pattern of repeat infringements.

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                                    • baddog
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Apr 2001
                                      • 107089
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by beaner
                                      Send DMCA to host, all kinds of bullshit which doesn't even matter except maybe to establish a pattern of repeat infringements.
                                      An unsigned DMCA is not a DMCA

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                                        • bean-aid
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jun 2011
                                          • 16493
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                          An unsigned DMCA is not a DMCA
                                          Doesn't matter, sign the damn thing they will say the URL is broken.

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                                            • BNMedia
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Nov 2009
                                              • 433
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                              An unsigned DMCA is not a DMCA
                                              All my dmca's have my digital signature.
                                              If I had to physically sign and scan / fax every DMCA I send my already valuable time resources would be stretched even further than they are already and I would have used up half a rain forest in paper!
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                                                • DWB
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                  • 31779
                                                  #13
                                                  You can import your signature to an email DMCA and send it to CCbill. They will honor that.


                                                  Originally posted by beaner

                                                  new links:
                                                  http://luckyshare.net/6049707078
                                                  http://luckyshare.net/1275791369"

                                                  See, they just re-upload it and carry on as usual.

                                                  http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1072777 may be able to help
                                                  They don't even re-upload it. The original file is never deleted, they just rename them and post the new links.

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                                                    • Nautilus
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 1631
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by BNMedia
                                                      All my dmca's have my digital signature.
                                                      If I had to physically sign and scan / fax every DMCA I send my already valuable time resources would be stretched even further than they are already and I would have used up half a rain forest in paper!
                                                      In general, if that will trigger their repeat offender policy and the thieving site will be terminated, it is worth the hassle of faxing them DMCAs. If not, then not. Just send them the usual DMCA by e-mail, cc it to Copycontrol and move on. The time will come when that DMCA will be used as evidence to fuck them hard and to make them pay. Not tomorrow, but all of them scammers will be facing their payday sooner or later.

                                                      Whenever possible, spend your time and effort on killing sites, and not merely some links. You can check AK's thread for the list of sites that are being targeted, and join the fight, by sending DMCAs to service providers (billing companies in 99% of cases) and cc-ing them to Copycontrol.
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                                                        • DWB
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 31779
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by BNMedia
                                                          All my dmca's have my digital signature.
                                                          If I had to physically sign and scan / fax every DMCA I send my already valuable time resources would be stretched even further than they are already and I would have used up half a rain forest in paper!
                                                          Write your sig on a piece of paper. Scan it. Make it a png. Import it into your DMCA email templates. Then they have a digital and actual signature of you. Never fails and CCbill / Cave Creek allows it.

                                                          I can't believe anyone actually still uses faxes. Now that I think of it, their fax machine probably powers their affiliate stats back end. ;-)

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