Can a new webmaster have a successful paysite?

[Hyperion]

Hi All,

I have a very difficult to answer question that I was hoping others who have been in my situation can help me with. I am about to launch my first adult pay site and my business partner and I are trying to make an order-of-magnitude estimate of the revenue (membership load) that a new site is capable of generating.

I know that there is a HUGE range of possible outcomes and that for the most part it will depend upon my skill in executing my role as an adult Webmaster but there have to be others who have been in my position and who can shed some light on the subject. To make it easier, I?ll mention a couple of assumptions:

1) The site will be developed by professional graphic designers and will be a good, high quality site that renders well in all browsers, has good visual appeal and is not just thrown together.
2) The content is interesting and original, shot specifically for this site with high-quality equipment and attractive models. This will be a pseudo-amateur site similar to what you might find at BangBus.com.
3) I have done my homework as an adult Webmaster and am aware of most of the major tasks that need to be performed to drive traffic (such as Search Engine Optimization, Link Exchanges, TGPs, AVSs, etc.), to set up payment processing (credit cards, dialers, 900, etc.) and to manage a site.
4) We will be active in the adult Internet community, attending conferences, reading Webmaster resource boards, etc. It is our intention to be active in seeking out partnerships and relationships with other Webmasters.

So my question is this: How much revenue can a new, well-run pay site generate on a month-to-month basis in the first year of business? Again, I know that if we don?t do our jobs well we could see nothing. What kind of experiences have other new Webmasters had? In my last YEAR of research I?ve been able to answer so many questions about the industry but this one still eludes me. I appreciate any feedback or insight anyone can provide for me. Thank you,

-Hyperion

[Libertine]

I wouldn't count on loads, since being a new webmaster you will most likely make quite a few mistakes in the beginning. Like most things, the online adult business is a thing best learnt by experience.
But, more importantly, you lack the contacts and reputation that are vital to bringing in the big bucks.

Ofcourse, with luck, it could still generate large revenue straight from the start, but if I were you I'd expect a fairly slow start. (once you get more contacts and experience things will get a lot better though)

[Marcus]

Originally posted by Hyperion
So my question is this: How much revenue can a new, well-run pay site generate on a month-to-month basis in the first year of business? Again, I know that if we don?t do our jobs well we could see nothing. What kind of experiences have other new Webmasters had? In my last YEAR of research I?ve been able to answer so many questions about the industry but this one still eludes me. I appreciate any feedback or insight anyone can provide for me. Thank you,

-Hyperion

I would definetely talk to Mark Tiarra
http://www.lumyr.com/

He's very knowledgable on this and great to work with and he can run the numbers for you.

[p00p]

jesus christ......

[Max Walker]

exclusive content is definately one of your high points. just hope it catches on and then start an affiliate program when the guys like us KNOW your site will sell and we will start doing the selling for you.

[nocostporn]

yep it's that damn easy... Made a half a milly in my first week,you can too!

there isnt any money in adult anymore.. its all about online malls and casinos now, dont you know that yet?

[Theo]

too many factors to state. One of them is your startup capital.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by nocostporn
yep it's that damn easy... Made a half a milly in my first week,you can too!

we made 2 million four days in.

Ah I see.. you spent most of that week on vacation in Hawaii right?

[Paul Markham]

Success is down to many things. There was a recent thread on another site that asked the same question about content providing. Here is part of my reply.

(1) How good is your product?
(2) How different, from established suppliers, is your product?
(3) How good is your service?
(4) How much do you have to invest?
(5) How much stock do you have?
(6) What is your price structure?
(7) Why should anyone leave their present supplier to buy from you?

The thing about knowing people and being part of the network is important if you have nothing much else to offer. But if you have a kick ass product and good service behind it, the surfers will comes and stay. Once you have established your trustworthinaes, the affiliates will queue up to be with you.

But if you are just going to be another site put up by someone with little knowledge or understanding of porn, you will lose money.

However I suspect you have not got very far with this at all and just trying to see what would happen if you did put something up. Think about how many men dream of being pornographers. Especially where they get to drive around the country getting laid by girls in a van.

[Danielle]

Expect to lose about $150,000.00 the first six months.

Hugs,
Danielle

[AOLGuy]

I made a profit from day one.

I started making "better than your average career" money 6 months in. I could have made it sooner, but didn't realize the most important aspect of the game.

If you are looking for tips and some help, hit me up on email: [email protected].

Original content is a huge plus, and I may be able to advise you on making the most of your site.

[Que?]

Sucess of your affiliate program would be the most important aspect .

Building a rebilling base on your own is a slow pyramid building task without shortcuts and some new and developing problems as new billing practices. If you can get 15-25% to rebill you are doing very nice. Getting a conversionrate inside 1:200, average traffic would be great as well(1:2000 is probably average). From this you can crunch out possible numbers depending on volume and coversion rate...

[sexysphere]

make some try, and good luck

[sexysphere]

Originally posted by p`mpd0g
there isnt any money in adult anymore.. its all about online malls and casinos now, dont you know that yet?

he is right anyway

[andi_germany]

In my experience there is only one key to the adult business:

Traffic

If you get people to your site you will have success. Search engines you can forget. Most of it is google nowadays and you will not generate the links to your site that are needed to get a high rating.

You will need a good rev share program and free daily changing pictures to get people to bookmark your site. Play the TGP game to get your first signups and slowly build your members base.

You can off course invest and buy traffic but it will work without that investment. Grow slowly or take the risk of going bankrupt before you get success. I always prefered the slow way.

Build more sites, shoot some niche content and expand your revshare to more sites and you will be able to make a profit soon.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by Que?
Sucess of your affiliate program would be the most important aspect .

Tell that to Quiet.

[sumphatpimp]

if you are here asking that question you certainly don't know.

do yourself a favor

enroll in a good truck driving school

then buy your own truck

your better off

the internet boom came and WENT !

face it its over

[Ross]

Originally posted by Danielle
Expect to lose about $150,000.00 the first six months.

Hugs,
Danielle

Ouch!

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by Danielle
Expect to lose about $150,000.00 the first six months.

Hugs,
Danielle

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by Danielle
Expect to lose about $150,000.00 the first six months.

Hugs,
Danielle

Second time you've posted that and it doesn't make any more sense than it did the first time.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Tell that to Quiet.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If done badly an affiliate program can even break a company rather than make it money. There's far too many ways to work a paysite for anyone to say you need to do x,y,z to be a success.

[strainer]

Adult paysite monthly? You can expect to make $457.23.

Seriously. If you add up the zillions of sites out there that make little or nothing, then include all the sites doing moderately well, and then some mega-sites doing 200K monthly or more, I bet the mean comes in just around $457.23.

There is no "bell curve" for adult paysites. Isn't for most business either, come to think of it. There is no "average" restuarant for example. Most go bankrupt, some make millions.

Most people think its all about the traffic. I think as time goes by its really more all about the content, if what you have is an exclusive paysite.

[PerfectionGirls]

Man... there are just so many different varibles. Some say traffic... yeah, well sort of.. What kind of traffic? If its tgp traffic, plan on big BW bills without a huge return. It talks a ton of tgp traffic to generate a good amount of sales.

It's not some much the amount of traffic, but where you are getting your traffic from and how you use it once you have it. If you do amateur stuff, target and team up with sites in your amateur niche. Banner exchanges and traffic trades with simaliar sites have worked EXTREMELY well with us.

We were lucky enough to start making money day one from our sites. All in all we are ahead of the game when you compare us to most of the new start ups. Let me know if you want to chat.. I would be glad to share what I know from a new Webmasters point of view. We are still learning everyday, so I might not have a ton of answers, but we have had a crash course in adult webmastering.

[<IMX>]

Save HALF of your investment for traffic, if you insist on entering adult.

I'd go deeper into real estate if I had a chunk of money to invest.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by Tipsy


Second time you've posted that and it doesn't make any more sense than it did the first time.

I think she was being sarcastic

[Gutterboy]

If you have some experience, exclusive content and a good idea, its not THAT difficult. If you want instant sucess, you just need a site that converts and retains well enough to give you a decent profit margin with purchased TGP traffic, and a decent advertizing budget.

Once you've built that sort of site, all you need... as quiet once put it.. is to scale it. Volume volume volume.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by NoCarrier


I think she was being sarcastic

She's posted it on two boards now in a very unsarcastic way. If she is she hasn't got sarcasm quite right yet. Seems to me that she believes it though. Probably read an article somewhere and is one of those people that believes most of the stuff they read.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by Tipsy


She's posted it on two boards now in a very unsarcastic way. If she is she hasn't got sarcasm quite right yet. Seems to me that she believes it though. Probably read an article somewhere and is one of those people that believes most of the stuff they read.

Well, if she was serious, all I can say is :



She can't be serious, unless she was talking about 15 paysites, with millions of pictures and plugins, and paid galleries with the Hun without a single member after 6 months.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Tipsy

Seems to me that she believes it though.

Alot of people do. Its a misconception that is repeated ad nauseum on newbie and certain other boards.

Many of these boards seem to be supported by big affiliate programs with a vested interest in convincing people that pimping others sites is the only way to go, so its not so surprising I guess. Fuck that. If you have any talent for this business at all you should be doing your own thing as soon as possible imo.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by NoCarrier


Well, if she was serious, all I can say is :



She can't be serious, unless she was talking about 15 paysites, with millions of pictures and plugins..

I originally thought so too but the other thread was on a 'newbie' board that has little in the way of sarcasm just the odd bitchy remark. Now it's been said here I'll bet ya 50c that of course she was being sarcastic

As to the amount there have been posts along those lines mainly talking about big per signup type programs and how they can expect a huge loss. I was thinking she'd read one of those and got confused.

WTF though. It matters little. Just struck me as an odd reply to make twice even if it was meant as sarcastic.

[tony286]

Worry less about fancy graphics and more giving your members value for their money. Exclusive content is important. I think sites not focused around one girl are very hard to do, unless you have deep pockets or been a webmaster for years and have access to large amounts of traffic. Thats why alot of the books and articles talk about doing affiliate stuff first learning how to build and drive traffic. My site was different it was first for kicks and a little bit of advertising for my wifes cam work and in two years it grew to a paysite and then to the point where I could leave the day job. Websites are not quick money, it has to be a labor of love. I love the adult business

[Hooper]

Your relationships will be the most important aspect of your site. Who you know is far more important than *what* you know in this biz.

[mrbling]

all the other graphics/paysites/billing is bullshit.

the only thing that counts is TRAFFIC.

you have traffic, you make money.
you don't have traffic, you don't make money.

you can have paysites, use sponsors all the same shit.

[Va2k]

Originally posted by mrbling
all the other graphics/paysites/billing is bullshit.

the only thing that counts is TRAFFIC.

you have traffic, you make money.
you don't have traffic, you don't make money.

you can have paysites, use sponsors all the same shit.