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ThunderBalls · 10-23-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

If he is elected for a second term and you have to pay 55% taxes from your business I'm sure that will have nothing to do with Obama either.

Obama wants to go back to the Clinton tax rates for people over 250k. Remember the time when we had the biggest economic boom in history? Higher tax rates gets money flowing back into the economy, right now companies are sitting on more money than ever before because of the historically low tax rates. If you have a company thats profiting half million a year and you're faced with either paying 200k in taxes or investing that money back into your company what are you going to choose?

Brujah · 10-23-2012, 11:06 PM

Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

Robbie · 10-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Obama wants to go back to the Clinton tax rates for people over 250k. Remember the time when we had the biggest economic boom in history? Higher tax rates gets money flowing back into the economy,

Those were the years of the Internet bubble

And saying that giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. "gets money flowing back into the economy" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

People spending their own money is what stimulates the economy.

What do you do for a living anyway? Are you an employee or do you actually own a business? And if so...are you in the Adult biz? Just curious where you get your ideas from.

ThunderBalls · 10-23-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Those were the years of the Internet bubble

And saying that giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. "gets money flowing back into the economy" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

People spending their own money is what stimulates the economy.

You must suffer from a reading comprehension problem. I said if someone is faced with investing money back into your company rather than paying taxes they choose the former. They are spending their own money on advertising, equipment, payroll instead of paying taxes. If you ever made over the 300k range you would realize this.

Robbie · 10-23-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

You must suffer from a reading comprehension problem. I said if someone is faced with investing money back into your company rather than paying taxes they choose the former. They are spending their own money on advertising, equipment, payroll instead of paying taxes. If you ever made over the 300k range you would realize this.

IF? Yes whoever you are...I have made far more than 300K. Doesn't sound like you have.

Who are you anyway? What do you own? I don't know you from your highschool "nickname" on a board. Do you run your business and sign checks as "ThunderBalls"?

And again...giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. does not stimulate the economy in any way, shape, or form.

Keep in mind that the federal govt. is currently spending 10.6 BILLION dollars per day my friend.
They spend all of Mitt Romney's net worth in less than 29 minutes. All of Warren Buffets net worth in less than 4 days.

Seems like all that govt. spending would have our economy booming by your logic.

And you want to send more money to lifetime career politicians? I can't even wrap my head around what you are thinking.

How about this...you earn whatever it is you earn. You keep as much of that money for yourself as you can. Then you spend it, save it, put it under your mattress...it's YOURS.

That's the way it's supposed to be.

epitome · 10-24-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

Brujah · 10-24-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

In a way it makes sense if these conservatives are looking for an excuse other than themselves, to blame it on just that one person, the President. It must be nice that we're all so simplistic that we generally overlook past policies, past spending, career politicians in congress, etc... The President in that respect becomes the scapegoat, and I bet they continue to vote for the incumbent representative or senator, that career politician who they probably aren't even aware of his voting record but he's an (R) or a (D) so they keep choosing him anyway. They rattle on about entitlement mentality too, yet if they're not automatically successful in a declining industry, it must be the President, and has nothing at all to do with the industry or themselves.

seeme · 10-24-2012, 12:14 AM

6 Years ago I was better off!

loreen · 10-24-2012, 03:41 AM

Yes, I work less now

Paul Markham · 10-24-2012, 03:49 AM

The business income has fallen since 2008. As we stopped working then, it's no wonder.

Are we better off?

Yes, instead of pissing money up against the walls looking like a pimp. We saved it. Got more money in the bank now than 4 years ago.

SmutHammer · 10-24-2012, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

By raising taxes, and decreasing income.
Most of my money doesn't come from the adult industry.

Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

Brujah · 10-24-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

By raising taxes, and decreasing income.

When did your taxes raise, and by what percent? Obama signed into law an extension of the Bush tax cuts for an additional 2 years, and a reduction in payroll taxes. Please be specific.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

So do I. So does everyone. If you remain healthy, able to work and in a thriving industry, until your death. It should be fine.

If like me, you've experienced great highs and great crashes, you become wiser.

BlackCrayon · 10-24-2012, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

When did your taxes raise, and by what percent? Obama signed into law an extension of the Bush tax cuts for an additional 2 years, and a reduction in payroll taxes. Please be specific.

he has no real idea. he keeps saying that "cuts" are the reason he is making less money which makes zero sense. how do "cuts" that "obama made" result in a person making less money?

SmutHammer · 10-24-2012, 05:28 AM

I have explained what cuts in a different thread, Actually I feel like an idiot I have already put way to much of my personal information on this adult board. I'm going to try and go back to using gfy just for my program....

Paul Markham · 10-24-2012, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19271438#post19271438

tony286 · 10-24-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

They cant,he lowered their taxes multiple times.The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

bronco67 · 10-24-2012, 06:53 AM

No different, and I wouldn't blame my life/financial problems on the president anyway.

Robbie · 10-24-2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

Is that just leaving the Bush tax cuts or an actual tax rate cut for working people like me?

I haven't seen the amounts I pay for taxes drop percentage wise.

Rob · 10-24-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

They cant,he lowered their taxes multiple times.The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html - the truth about Obama's small business tax cuts.

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

Consumers are gun-shy to spend any money and I deal mainly B2B. If those businesses aren't making money, they're not going to come to me and it's going to kill my margins. Obama's stimulus went to bail out banks, a bankrupt auto industry, and garbage investments in alternative energy (Solyndra ring a bell?). Solyndra pretty much used the Federal government, or in laymen terms; OUR TAX DOLLARS as credit card with no limit.

It's amazing to me how blind people are at what this administration has done to this country...top to bottom. The guy is a good speaker, I'll give him that. But liberals blindly follow and defend him as if he were Christ himself. Err...sorry, Mohammad himself.

tony286 · 10-24-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

You are talking about states. States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending. Where do you think they make up the money?

GrantMercury · 10-24-2012, 07:04 AM

Yep. And the country as a whole certainly is. No thanks to the GOP.

Obama 2012.

tony286 · 10-24-2012, 07:07 AM

Funny I see no banks maybe you are confused the bank one was the one George bush did.

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Education and Job Training; Tax Cuts for Individuals Expand higher education tax creditsMORE » $13.9 billion
Education and Job Training Provide additional money to schools serving low-income childrenMORE » $13.0 billion
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Environment Clean up sites formerly used by the Defense Department $6.0 billion
Environment Finance local water projectsMORE » $6.0 billion
Tax Cuts for Businesses Extension of bonus depreciationMORE » $5.9 billion
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Unemployment Exempt unemployment compensationMORE » $4.7 billion
Tax Cuts for Individuals Increase Earned Income Tax CreditMORE » $4.7 billion
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Energy Increase energy efficiency in federal buildings $4.5 billion
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Aid to States Create a tax credit bond option for state and local governmentsMORE » $4.3 billion
Aid to States; Unemployment Give states aid to properly administer unemployment compensationMORE » $4.2 billion
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Energy; Infrastructure; Housing Repair and modernize public housing units $4.0 billion
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Housing Redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes $2.0 billion
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Tax Cuts for Individuals Incentive for car buyersMORE » $1.7 billion
Tax Cuts for Businesses; Energy Incentive for advanced energy investmentMORE » $1.6 billion
Tax Cuts for Businesses Delay recognition of certain cancellation of debt incomeMORE » $1.6 billion
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Aid to States; Energy Authorize more state and local bonds for energy-related purposesMORE » $1.4 billion
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Environment Finance national environmental cleanupMORE » $1.2 billion
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Science and Research Compare the effectiveness of medical treatmentsMORE » $1.1 billion
Health Prevent cuts to health care providersMORE » $1.0 billion
Environment; Rural Assistance Provide water to rural areas and Western areas impacted by drought $1.0 billion
Health; Science and Research Make grants to help prevent diseaseMORE » $1.0 billion
Science and Research Provide additional financing for the National Aeronautics and Space AdministrationMORE » $1.0 billion
Other Modernize Social Security AdministrationMORE » $1.0 billion
Aid to States Help states collect child supportMORE » $1.0 billion
Housing Provide additional financing for Community Development Block GrantsMORE » $1.0 billion

Sly · 10-24-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html - the truth about Obama's small business tax cuts.

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

Consumers are gun-shy to spend any money and I deal mainly B2B. If those businesses aren't making money, they're not going to come to me and it's going to kill my margins. Obama's stimulus went to bail out banks, a bankrupt auto industry, and garbage investments in alternative energy (Solyndra ring a bell?). Solyndra pretty much used the Federal government, or in laymen terms; OUR TAX DOLLARS as credit card with no limit.

It's amazing to me how blind people are at what this administration has done to this country...top to bottom. The guy is a good speaker, I'll give him that. But liberals blindly follow and defend him as if he were Christ himself. Err...sorry, Mohammad himself.

Are you still dealing with print products? Business cards and the like.

tony286 · 10-24-2012, 07:07 AM

Other Provide money for 2010 census $1.0 billion
Tax Cuts for Businesses Expand net operating loss carry-back provision for small businessesMORE » $947 million
Science and Research Provide additional financing for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric AdministrationMORE » $830 million
Tax Cuts for Businesses Expand tax break for small business stock salesMORE » $829 million
Education and Job Training Finance technology upgrades in schoolsMORE » $650 million
Aid to Individuals Provide coupon to convert to digital televisionsMORE » $650 million
Aid to States Help states find housing and jobs for disabled peopleMORE » $640 million
Aid to States Repeal alternative minimum tax on private activity bondsMORE » $555 million
Aid to Individuals Help defense employees sell homesMORE » $555 million
Health Extend Qualified Individual ProgramMORE » $550 million
Education and Job Training; Aid to States Help states and local school districts track student data and improve teacher qualityMORE » $550 million
Energy; Infrastructure; Housing Repair and modernize about 4,200 Native American housing unitsMORE » $510 million
Education and Job Training; Aid to States; Unemployment Help states find jobs for unemployed workers $500 million
Education and Job Training; Health Train primary health care providers, including doctors and nursesMORE » $500 million
Education and Job Training; Energy; Unemployment Train workers for careers in energy efficiency and renewable energy fields $500 million
Health Improve health services to American Indians and Alaska natives $500 million
Tax Cuts for Businesses Reduce holding period for taxation of companies that convert into S corporationsMORE » $415 million
Energy; Aid to States Provide grants to states for energy-efficient vehicles and infrastructureMORE » $400 million
Energy; Aid to Individuals Provide consumers rebates for energy-efficient appliances $300 million
Energy Replace older vehicles owned by the federal government with hybrid and electric cars $300 million
Aid to States Delay withholding tax on paymentsMORE » $291 million
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Energy; Tax Cuts for Businesses Incentive for alternative fuel pumpsMORE » $54 million
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http://projects.nytimes.com/44th_president/stimulus

Brujah · 10-24-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

That article says nothing about tax increases or fees, it only suggests that small business tax cuts are actually incentives where you can be eligible for them if you're spending in certain areas like hiring additional employees, equipment, health care, etc... You've really proven nothing yet. It isn't about being blind, it's just about backing up your own claims. Guess what? Prices of most things increase year after year, like licenses and permits and fees.

Robbie · 10-24-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

You are talking about states. States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending. Where do you think they make up the money?

Come on Tony..."States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending."

Really? Is that how it works?

States are going bankrupt because of their own bloated bureaucracy and budgets that got used to the "fat" times over the last two decades.

And I'm completely unaware that federal funds to anything are dictated by what "everyone wants"

I wonder what's going to happen if the economy doesn't turn around and the federal govt. goes completely bankrupt? Where do all those federal funds come from when there are NO federal funds left?

10.6 billion dollars a day in federal spending. Every day. Hasn't even slowed down.

You'd think with all that spending that everything would be funded up to the maximum.

Let's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Come on Tony..."States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending."

Really? Is that how it works?

States are going bankrupt because of their own bloated bureaucracy and budgets that got used to the "fat" times over the last two decades.

And I'm completely unaware that federal funds to anything are dictated by what "everyone wants"

I wonder what's going to happen if the economy doesn't turn around and the federal govt. goes completely bankrupt? Where do all those federal funds come from when there are NO federal funds left?

10.6 billion dollars a day in federal spending. Every day. Hasn't even slowed down.

You'd think with all that spending that everything would be funded up to the maximum.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

The US economy NEEDS that money. Take it out and you have this.

The people losing their jobs, and it will be more than those in the public sector, will take to the streets. And don't say it won't happen in the US.

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Let's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.

And if you do that, it might be soldiers rioting. As Romney has promised to boost military spending by 2 trillion. That won't happen.

Still this thread is clearly about peoples personal wealth and getting more in their pockets. With a

attitude towards others. That's what got the world in this mess. Yes Robbie the world and the election of the Government of America effects us all. Like the problems in Greece.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-24-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

[L]et's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

With the exception of the Carter Administration there hasn't been any serious cutback in military spending.

With the rise of the EU and its not so unified defense force there should be some leeway for military spending cuts in Europe. As troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan (this remains to be seen... ) the US Military can be put back to a less aggressive and more defensive posturing. The real problem is the cost of the weapons of "new technology." Maybe, the debate should be are some of these really needed?

I don't know what ever happened to the Obama Administration's high speed rail initiative. Good track and high speed trains like in Western Europe and Japan would make 200 - 500 mile trips faster by train than by air when you include the check in times and the "security screening" delays. This would be a constructive use of government funding to build new infrastructure rather than fund new wars and further or increase entitlement spending.

So, did Obama drop the high speed train initiative or is the House blocking the spending for it?

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[T]he U.S. High Speed Rail Association has estimated the price tag at $600 billion over the next 20 years, a cost that critics say the nation cannot afford. ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2011020806998

How many trillions of dollars will our military spending be for the next 20 years?

There is some comprise to be made in all of this -- will we be better off in the next 20 years?

But dealing in absolutes will get us nowhere.

Minte · 10-24-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

In a way it makes sense if these conservatives are looking for an excuse other than themselves, to blame it on just that one person, the President. It must be nice that we're all so simplistic that we generally overlook past policies, past spending, career politicians in congress, etc... The President in that respect becomes the scapegoat, and I bet they continue to vote for the incumbent representative or senator, that career politician who they probably aren't even aware of his voting record but he's an (R) or a (D) so they keep choosing him anyway. They rattle on about entitlement mentality too, yet if they're not automatically successful in a declining industry, it must be the President, and has nothing at all to do with the industry or themselves.

I will keep this short and sweet.

The problem with this president is his severe inability to get anyone on the right to work with him. He set the gridlock in motion with Obamacare. And from that point the line in the sand was drawn.

Or maybe, its just that every republican congressman is racist.

BFT3K · 10-24-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I will keep this short and sweet.

The problem with this president is his severe inability to get anyone on the right to work with him. He set the gridlock in motion with Obamacare. And from that point the line in the sand was drawn.

Or maybe, its just that every republican congressman is racist.

On day one the GOP made a concerted effort to obstruct every move Obama made, including the introduction of Republican ideas, like Romney Care.

If Romney wins, having used obstruction as a political tool, then count on the Dems doing the same in retaliation.

If Obama wins things may not be much better, but at least the GOP's NUMBER ONE MISSION to make Obama a one term president will have failed, so maybe they will wake the fuck up.

And by the way, Romney was a terrible governor in Mass, and did NOT get ANYTHING passed on a bi-partisan measure, except Romney Care, so his supposed "across-the-aisle" track record has no credibility whatsoever.

tony286 · 10-24-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

On day one the GOP made a concerted effort to obstruct every move Obama made, including the introduction of Republican ideas, like Romney Care.

If Romney wins, having used obstruction as a political tool, then count on the Dems doing the same in retaliation.

If Obama wins things may not be much better, but at least the GOP's NUMBER ONE MISSION to make Obama a one term president will have failed, so maybe they will wake the fuck up.

amen brother

BlackCrayon · 10-24-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I will keep this short and sweet.

The problem with this president is his severe inability to get anyone on the right to work with him. He set the gridlock in motion with Obamacare. And from that point the line in the sand was drawn.

Or maybe, its just that every republican congressman is racist.

some people are saying its the rights fault for not working with obama, others say its obama's fault for not working with the right...well what is it?

probably a bit of both but it would make sense for the republicans in congress to refuse to work with obama at all knowing that without their support on certain things, he would be bound to fail.

Rob · 10-24-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Are you still dealing with print products? Business cards and the like.

Nope, quit that several years ago when I realized it was a whore's market (no pun intended).

Sly · 10-24-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

some people are saying its the rights fault for not working with obama, others say its obama's fault for not working with the right...well what is it?

probably a bit of both but it would make sense for the republicans in congress to refuse to work with obama at all knowing that without their support on certain things, he would be bound to fail.

They are both at fault.

However, only one of them is the President.

Great men are reduced to nothing when nobody wants to work with them. Which begs the question? were they really great men?

Rochard · 10-24-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

Can you be more specific here?

You have to pay licensing fees and get permits. Which ones of those are from the federal government? Which ones of these fees are set by the White House or for that matter Congress? I pay a few licensing fees, those are state and county, and also got hit with a new permit requirement but that was a city thing.

And you do understand that Romney is increasing federal revenue by adding onto licensing fees and cutting services, right? If you bitch about your freeways now, just imagine what happens when all federal money dries up so we can give our military trillions it is not asking for.

Relentless · 10-24-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I will keep this short and sweet. The problem with this president is his severe inability to get anyone on the right to work with him. He set the gridlock in motion with Obamacare. And from that point the line in the sand was drawn. Or maybe, its just that every republican congressman is racist.

According to Mitch McConnell "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is not the way our Democracy is intended to work. Republicans decided to attempt to gridlock every initiative (good or bad) rather than governing responsibly by blocking the initiatives they disagree with and compromising on ones that were good for the nation.

Obama deserves blame for failing to get the blue dogs in line to create true single payer universal healthcare while the Democrats controlled Congress early in his Presidency. That was without a doubt his biggest failure. Getting Republican obstructionists to work with him later on when their primary goal was for his term to end, not for the country to move forward, is much more the failing of the GOP than anyone else.

A laundry list of unconstitutional legislation via signing statements (the way GWB went about governing) is not better. It is far worse.

BFT3K · 10-24-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Can you be more specific here?

You have to pay licensing fees and get permits. Which ones of those are from the federal government? Which ones of these fees are set by the White House or for that matter Congress? I pay a few licensing fees, those are state and county, and also got hit with a new permit requirement but that was a city thing.

And you do understand that Romney is increasing federal revenue by adding onto licensing fees and cutting services, right? If you bitch about your freeways now, just imagine what happens when all federal money dries up so we can give our military trillions it is not asking for.

Romney was the KING of "fees" in Mass - it allowed him to suck in some revenue money as governor, out of one side of his face, while maintaining that he wasn't raising taxes, on the other side of his face.

BFT3K · 10-24-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

According to Mitch McConnell "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is not the way our Democracy is intended to work. Republicans decided to attempt to gridlock every initiative (good or bad) rather than governing responsibly by blocking the initiatives they disagree with and compromising on ones that were good for the nation.

Obama deserves blame for failing to get the blue dogs in line to create true single payer universal healthcare while the Democrats controlled Congress early in his Presidency. That was without a doubt his biggest failure. Getting Republican obstructionists to work with him later on when their primary goal was for his term to end, not for the country to move forward, is much more the failing of the GOP than anyone else.

A laundry list of unconstitutional legislation via signing statements (the way GWB went about governing) is not better. It is far worse.

Obama had a super majority for 24 days, and then it was filibuster city from then on.

Single payer would have made the most sense, but it never had a chance. Fuck-faced nitwits like this douche bag made sure of it...

Minte · 10-24-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

some people are saying its the rights fault for not working with obama, others say its obama's fault for not working with the right...well what is it?

probably a bit of both but it would make sense for the republicans in congress to refuse to work with obama at all knowing that without their support on certain things, he would be bound to fail.

If Obama gets voted out in 2 weeks we will clearly have answered that question.

Minte · 10-24-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Obama had a super majority for 24 days, and then it was filibuster city from then on.

Single payer would have made the most sense, but it never had a chance. Fuck-faced nitwits like this douche bag made sure of it...

He didn't even have it for 24 days. He had to twist a lot of democrat arms and make sweet closed door deals to get them to go along.

Robbie · 10-24-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

He didn't even have it for 24 days. He had to twist a lot of democrat arms and make sweet closed door deals to get them to go along.

He's never even gotten the Democrats to vote for his budgets. Hasn't had one budget in his term. Pathetic.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You all are monkeys and act like annoying kids who run around playing adults. $16 trillion in national debt as it will bump to $20 trillion in the next 4 years. It took over 200 years to get to the first $10 trillion as it will take only 8 years to get to $20 trillion.

I honestly can't believe some of the shit I've read on here. Debt numbers like that inhibit true business entrepreneurship. The stock market is ready for a huge fall as the real numbers should be around 9k. The Government is simply printing money out of nothing to buy something called your house to the tune of $50 billion in toxic mortgages ie., QE3.

There is nothing wrong with trying to fight you way out of this, but if you think your lives are better then four years ago, well, you must have your head in the sand because your future is far far worse.

They are better off now than they were 4 years ago.

BECAUSE of all the money pumped into the system making everything rosy. It's impossible to swell a household with that money without them thinking it's all fine.

Yes the problem will hit US ALL, when we get the next collapse and when they finally realise they can't keep spending and cutting taxes.

All these guys are worried about is could they afford to the latest iPhone or similar gadget.

This is the real world and what Governments all over it face.

A man in a Government office is earning $15,000 a year. He costs double that, office, equipment, medical, etc. Total $30,000. He get's fired to cut the borrowing. So he can't be left to starve and he goes on welfare at $10,000 total costs. Government has saved $20,000 and borrows less.

$20,000 less being spent in the country. Shops, etc.

$20,000 saves and if the Government fires 1,000 of them it save $20,000,000. The problem is it needs to save $20 billion. So it needs to sack 1,000,000.

Shit the problem is trillions.

Relentless · 10-24-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

He didn't even have it for 24 days. He had to twist a lot of democrat arms and make sweet closed door deals to get them to go along.

With so much to accurately complain about, it always amazes me that people choose to complain about made up nonsense instead. There are fantastic reasons not to vote for Obama, and powerful reasons not to vote for Romney. Our electorate is so pathetic that even when they want to make an informed decision they can't separate the real significant issues from the idiotic tinfoil hat stupidity. That is the biggest shame of the entire process.

Rochard · 10-24-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Romney was the KING of "fees" in Mass - it allowed him to suck in some revenue money as governor, out of one side of his face, while maintaining that he wasn't raising taxes, on the other side of his face.

That's kind of my point. He's saying that Obama is "unfriendly to small business" but the truth is Romney is going to lower the deficit while increasing money for the military by closing loopholes and obviously by what he did in Mass - raising the fees for everything.

SmutHammer · 10-24-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

With so much to accurately complain about, it always amazes me that people choose to complain about made up nonsense instead. There are fantastic reasons not to vote for Obama, and powerful reasons not to vote for Romney. Our electorate is so pathetic that even when they want to make an informed decision they can't separate the real significant issues from the idiotic tinfoil hat stupidity. That is the biggest shame of the entire process.

Robbie · 10-24-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Romney was the KING of "fees" in Mass - it allowed him to suck in some revenue money as governor, out of one side of his face, while maintaining that he wasn't raising taxes, on the other side of his face.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/str...-romneys-fees/

madm1k3 · 10-24-2012, 11:49 AM

Romney has said he will raise military spending by two trillion. Obama think Drones are awesome!

Do Americans think military money doesn't count? If Romney is elected where will this 2 trillion dollars in spending come from? How can you lower taxes, raise military spending, and cut a deficit? If you build more ships for the navy what will be the net yearly cost of having those ships deployed? Does Obama think he can fly around the world dropping bombs and there will be no consequence?

I love how Americans felt the last debate wasn't important then they bitch about government spending, here is what the government spends on "security"

$531 billion per year base
$115-billion for overseas contingency operations
$125-billion on 22 million veterans
$49-billion for separate retirement funds and sundry activities
$42-billion on homeland security
$22-billion for foreign military sales and aid
$18-billion broadly on nuclear programs
$58-billion interest

total: $960 billion, $2.63 billion a day

And Solyndra is only news because they didn't get a military contract, do you know how many companies have wasted billions of tax payer dollars on failed war technology.

BFT3K · 10-24-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/str...-romneys-fees/

http://www.americanbridgepac.org/201...fee-increases/

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