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  • HelmutKohl
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    • Sep 2012
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    Why Romney lost 2nd debate and will lose Election

    Romney came out all black and blue from the 2nd debate. Clearly, he was overwhelmed by the facts Obama threw at him and his own stumble. It was fun to see his wife Ann displaying stone face while Mitt dag himself in every minute dipper whole. Romney/Ryan are so DONE
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    • DudeRick
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      #2
      We weren't watching the same debate. What's with the new fake nickname anyway?

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        • getreal
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          It was interesting
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            • Mr Pheer
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              It's not over until November 6th.

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                • sweetcuties
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                  Of course Romney will lose, he never had a chance in the first place... lol. Obama will win again, can't wait

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                    • Minte
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                      #6
                      If it was boxing I would say Obama won by a few points, simply by showing up this time. But there clearly was no knockout.

                      I also believe that the final debate is going to be a problem for Obama. He set the stage by playing footsie with the facts on what transpired in Libya. The other question that is sure to be asked is if Obama claims he is responsible for the lack of security,,why did he put Hillary Clinton out there earlier that day to be the fallguy.
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                                • GrantMercury
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                                  Prep-school Mitt got his face pushed into the butter. Bout time.

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                                    • GrantMercury
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by sweetcuties
                                      Of course Romney will lose, he never had a chance in the first place... lol. Obama will win again, can't wait
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                                        • SmutHammer
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                                          He didn't lose, He just didn't crush him again like a lot of people expected. Truth is Obama has done a horrible job and it is time to replace him. The only people I can see voting for Obama are those on Welfare or people who have no idea what is going on.

                                          The American people were proud to have elected a black president. And truly wanted him to succeed, He didn't and as much as you want him to 4 more years will not help. It will only make things worse!

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                                            • PokerCamGirl
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                                              • Sep 2012
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Ed Hammer
                                              He didn't lose, He just didn't crush him again like a lot of people expected. Truth is Obama has done a horrible job and it is time to replace him. The only people I can see voting for Obama are those on Welfare or people who have no idea what is going on.

                                              The American people were proud to have elected a black president. And truly wanted him to succeed, He didn't and as much as you want him to 4 more years will not help. It will only make things worse!
                                              Obama is the lesser of two evils here, in my humble Canadian opinion. Then again, I'm not an asshole that hates poor people.

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                                                • BlackCrayon
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Ed Hammer
                                                  He didn't lose, He just didn't crush him again like a lot of people expected. Truth is Obama has done a horrible job and it is time to replace him. The only people I can see voting for Obama are those on Welfare or people who have no idea what is going on.

                                                  The American people were proud to have elected a black president. And truly wanted him to succeed, He didn't and as much as you want him to 4 more years will not help. It will only make things worse!
                                                  what about people who just don't believe that the majority of republican ideals are good for the country or personal freedom? not that the dems are much different but they are more liberal when it comes to personal freedoms.
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                                                    • SmutHammer
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by PokerCamGirl
                                                      Obama is the lesser of two evils here, in my humble Canadian opinion. Then again, I'm not an asshole that hates poor people.
                                                      I don't hate poor people, People who need help should get it. People who are able but would rather have a hand out are the problem in this country.

                                                      Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                      what about people who just don't believe that the majority of republican ideals are good for the country or personal freedom? not that the dems are much different but they are more liberal when it comes to personal freedoms.
                                                      I believe Mitt Romney is better for the economy and I agree, Freedom is very important, neither of them are offering that...
                                                      Last edited by SmutHammer; 10-17-2012, 08:53 AM.

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                                                        • Minte
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                          what about people who just don't believe that the majority of republican ideals are good for the country or personal freedom? not that the dems are much different but they are more liberal when it comes to personal freedoms.
                                                          That's a very good point.

                                                          The republicans would be much better served if they would stay away from abortion and religion. I strongly disagree with their stance on both of those issues.

                                                          But I also assume that Roe V Wade won't be overturned. And that organized religion has shot itself squarely in the foot with all the scandals.

                                                          So it does come down to fiscal and foreign policy for me.
                                                          Last edited by Minte; 10-17-2012, 08:56 AM.
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                                                            • SmutHammer
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Minte
                                                              That's a very good point.

                                                              The republicans would be much better served if they would stay away from abortion and religion. I strongly disagree with their stance on both of those issues.
                                                              +1

                                                              Nobody should be able to push their personal beliefs on others.

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                                                                • 12clicks
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by PokerCamGirl
                                                                  Obama is the lesser of two evils here, in my humble Canadian opinion. Then again, I'm not an asshole that hates poor people.
                                                                  no, you're an asshole from canada with out much intelligence or future.
                                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                      • May 2003
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Ed Hammer
                                                                      +1

                                                                      Nobody should be able to push their personal beliefs on others.
                                                                      Yet that's what the Right has been trying to do every since they let the Religious Right hi-jack their party. Now the the Religious Reich as I like to call them, is starting to exit the center stage, they are now replaced by the biggit filled Tea Party.

                                                                      The other problem is the Republicans no longer even believe in fiscal responsibility as they are far more spend happy than the Democrats. I'd be all for the Republicans if they left Religion & social concerns out of politics and were for cutting spending "ACROSS" the board and not just for cutting spending on social programs while increasing it elsewhere.
                                                                      Last edited by crockett; 10-17-2012, 09:10 AM.
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                                                                        • SmutHammer
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                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                          Yet but that's what the Right has been trying to do every since they let the Religious Right hi-jack their party. Now the the Religious Reich as I like to call them, is starting to exit the center stage, they are now replaced by the biggit filled Tea Party.
                                                                          The left isn't much better, Just have a look at Obama care.

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                                                                            • Minte
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                              Yet but that's what the Right has been trying to do every since they let the Religious Right hi-jack their party. Now the the Religious Reich as I like to call them, is starting to exit the center stage, they are now replaced by the biggit filled Tea Party.
                                                                              How is that? Roe V Wade is still the law, after nearly 40 years. No one is forcing anyone to attend or donate to any church. Gays can marry in many states. So maybe the republicans are big on letting voters know they have moral intentions, but we all know that intentions aren't actions.
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                  No one is forcing anyone to attend or donate to any church.
                                                                                  So long as the church remains a tax free entity we are ALL donating to the church... And the total dollar value of revenue lost on a national and state level is massive. The rest of your point is well taken.

                                                                                  Also, there is a chance no justices will retire this cycle but if one does, I'd much rather have an Obama appointee than a Romney appointee.


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                                                                                    • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                      That's a very good point.

                                                                                      The republicans would be much better served if they would stay away from abortion and religion. I strongly disagree with their stance on both of those issues.

                                                                                      But I also assume that Roe V Wade won't be overturned. And that organized religion has shot itself squarely in the foot with all the scandals.

                                                                                      So it does come down to fiscal and foreign policy for me.
                                                                                      I doubt that it would be overturned but one great concern is the supreme court picks. That could make a big difference on a lot of things for a lot longer than four years.

                                                                                      For me, some of the republicans fiscal ideas have worked in the past but they favor military spending, corporate welfare and dangerous deregulation too much. If the US was more like Canada in terms of its banking regulation, perhaps the housing bubble never would of happened.

                                                                                      As for foreign policy, I don't think either party does a good job. Nothing much changed under Obama but what Bush did won't be easily forgotten. Pissing off other countries and flexing military muscle just isn't good strategy anymore.
                                                                                      you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                        • 12clicks
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                          I doubt that it would be overturned but one great concern is the supreme court picks. That could make a big difference on a lot of things for a lot longer than four years.

                                                                                          For me, some of the republicans fiscal ideas have worked in the past but they favor military spending, corporate welfare and dangerous deregulation too much. If the US was more like Canada in terms of its banking regulation, perhaps the housing bubble never would of happened.

                                                                                          As for foreign policy, I don't think either party does a good job. Nothing much changed under Obama but what Bush did won't be easily forgotten. Pissing off other countries and flexing military muscle just isn't good strategy anymore.
                                                                                          I love it when people talk out of their ass about corporate welfare.
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                                                                                            • Matt 26z
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                              I love it when people talk out of their ass about corporate welfare.
                                                                                              Enlighten us, Clicky. Go beyond your usual 2 or 3 sentence jabs that have no substance.

                                                                                              I don't think Americans have a huge problem with bailing out financial institutions, but we (those of us on the left) can't seem to grasp why the decision makers at these companies use bailout money to protect their salary and bonuses. Would it really be such a bad thing if the executives at Citi, BOA, Wells Fargo, etc... lost their homes as a consequence of their poor work performance?

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                                                                                                • The Dawg
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                  So it does come down to fiscal and foreign policy for me.
                                                                                                  That being said do you honestly think Romney will be a good representative of the U.S. on the world stage?

                                                                                                  Do you think he has the demeanor or tact to handle situations correctly?

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                                                                                                    • baddog
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                                                                                                      What is a biggit?

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                                                                                                        • 12clicks
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                                          Enlighten us, Clicky. Go beyond your usual 2 or 3 sentence jabs that have no substance.

                                                                                                          I don't think Americans have a huge problem with bailing out financial institutions, but we (those of us on the left) can't seem to grasp why the decision makers at these companies use bailout money to protect their salary and bonuses. Would it really be such a bad thing if the executives at Citi, BOA, Wells Fargo, etc... lost their homes as a consequence of their poor work performance?
                                                                                                          GM didn't have to fire their poor performing union members.

                                                                                                          not sure what your point is. do you live in the fantasy land where you can force the "decision makers" to work for free or do you live in the fantasy land where the decision makers should have been fired and replaced by underlings to run the largest banks in the country?
                                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                            • Robbie
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by sweetcuties
                                                                                                              Of course Romney will lose, he never had a chance in the first place... lol. Obama will win again, can't wait
                                                                                                              "can't wait"???

                                                                                                              You seem so giddy over it. lol

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                                                                                                                • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                  What is a biggit?
                                                                                                                  a biggit is what the world's least literate people attempt to paint the tea party as.
                                                                                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                                                                      • May 2003
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                      "can't wait"???

                                                                                                                      You seem so giddy over it. lol

                                                                                                                      Reality Check: You don't have to "wait" You've been living through it for four years now.
                                                                                                                      I think it's so we don't have to listen to all the campaign bull shit everyday and just let him get back to work. This will also allow Republicans to go back to focusing on what they do best, that's pretend it didn't happen.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by crockett; 10-17-2012, 11:02 AM.
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                                                                                                                        • blazin
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                          As for foreign policy, I don't think either party does a good job. Nothing much changed under Obama but what Bush did won't be easily forgotten. Pissing off other countries and flexing military muscle just isn't good strategy anymore.
                                                                                                                          Don't worry... It's nearly over now... just a few more countries to go, and Central Banks to install.
                                                                                                                          I don't endorse a god damn thing......

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                                                                                                                            • pornguy
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                                                                                                                              Aint it wonderful to waste soooo much money on the last year on Obamas taking time to run around the country saying vote for me.
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                                                                                                                                • 2012
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                  What is a biggit?


                                                                                                                                  I believe the term is "bigot" . Let's ask the smart people at yahoo.
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                                                                                                                                    • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ed Hammer
                                                                                                                                      He didn't lose, He just didn't crush him again like a lot of people expected. Truth is Obama has done a horrible job and it is time to replace him. The only people I can see voting for Obama are those on Welfare or people who have no idea what is going on.
                                                                                                                                      You have it backwards. Republican George W Bush did a horrible Job, and Obama has spent the last 4 years cleaning up after him, kill Bin Laden (something Bush gave up on), Save the automobile industry, bring health care to millions, etc, and alot more all without the help of the Republicans.

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                                                                                                                                        • Minte
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by The Dawg
                                                                                                                                          That being said do you honestly think Romney will be a good representative of the U.S. on the world stage?

                                                                                                                                          Do you think he has the demeanor or tact to handle situations correctly?
                                                                                                                                          I think he will be better than what we have today. He didn't make a fortune and hold on to it without the ability and experience to negotiate with powerful people around the world.
                                                                                                                                          You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                                                            • crockett
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                              a biggit is what the world's least literate people attempt to paint the tea party as.
                                                                                                                                              Ahh my bad.. all the years of typing out Bigg Tits on my blogs did me in, I made a spelling mistake. Obviously that one little mistake makes the argument null & void.

                                                                                                                                              Instead of dealing with the facts you guys always have to try to divert attention from your "short" comings. Much like the Republicans are now whining that Romney lost the debate and it was the moderators fault. Instead of owning up on the fact they picked a guy that tells more lies than Pinocchio and changes his mind about as often as he changes his magic underwear.

                                                                                                                                              Ohh boohoohoo..
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                                                                  Aint it wonderful to waste soooo much money on the last year on Obamas taking time to run around the country saying vote for me.
                                                                                                                                                  Yes...it's total bullshit that we taxpayers get nailed for the bill for a sitting President to fly around on his private jet with full staff and full contingent of Secret Service agents.
                                                                                                                                                  That shit should come out of his campaign funds and not the U.S. Govt.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Minte
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                      Yes...it's total bullshit that we taxpayers get nailed for the bill for a sitting President to fly around on his private jet with full staff and full contingent of Secret Service agents.
                                                                                                                                                      That shit should come out of his campaign funds and not the U.S. Govt.
                                                                                                                                                      That was always curious. I can't imagine what it costs to have the beast shipped to every stop. These huge advance teams and just the cost of operating a Boeing 747 per hour. You are certainly correct. The incumbent should have to use campaign funds for campaigning.
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                                                              That was always curious. I can't imagine what it costs to have the beast shipped to every stop. These huge advance teams and just the cost of operating a Boeing 747 per hour. You are certainly correct. The incumbent should have to use campaign funds for campaigning.
                                                                                                                                                              It costs much less than the assassination of a President.

                                                                                                                                                              If you get elected President of the United States, you should have lifetime security protection provided to you (Presidents don't anymore, they limited the years on it) and while in office I don't want you going out the front door to pick up a newspaper without a cadre of Secret Service checking it first. Being President comes with perks, yes including an airplane and security detail. It is less than a drop in the bucket and the cost of having a sitting President killed is exponentially larger. That goes for any President... of any party... at any time.

                                                                                                                                                              We do not need an unelected Biden, Cheney, Gore or Ryan much more than we do not need to pay for a few dozen flights with security details.


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                                                                                                                                                                • The Dawg
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                                                                  I think he will be better than what we have today. He didn't make a fortune and hold on to it without the ability and experience to negotiate with powerful people around the world.
                                                                                                                                                                  Being cutthroat in business is waaaaay different than being diplomatic in foreign matters.

                                                                                                                                                                  Its obvious he is not the best at thinking on his feet. I bet he'd gaff his way into a war without realizing it.

                                                                                                                                                                  You've seen him in action - Romney's demeanor is awful when he is cornered. I see him pulling that same "my way or the highway" crap GWB did. It will definitely rub for leaders the wrong way.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Relentless
                                                                                                                                                                      It costs much less than the assassination of a President.
                                                                                                                                                                      Nobody said an incumbent President shouldn't have his Secret Service detail with him.

                                                                                                                                                                      What I'm saying is WHY do the taxpayers have to pay for it when he's campaigning?
                                                                                                                                                                      He raised a billion dollars to run for President...let the money for AirForce One, his staff, his Secret Service contingency, advance teams, etc. come from the campaign funds when he is on the campaign trail.

                                                                                                                                                                      The same for any other candidate. Romney, for instance should have to pay for all of his own travel and security as well from his campaign funds.

                                                                                                                                                                      The U.S. govt. shouldn't be footing the bill for that from the taxpayers pocket.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • bronco67
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          He's going to lose because he's the king of tools, and only an idiot couldn't see that by now.

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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                              Nobody said an incumbent President shouldn't have his Secret Service detail with him. What I'm saying is WHY do the taxpayers have to pay for it when he's campaigning? He raised a billion dollars to run for President...let the money for AirForce One, his staff, his Secret Service contingency, advance teams, etc. come from the campaign funds when he is on the campaign trail. The same for any other candidate. Romney, for instance should have to pay for all of his own travel and security as well from his campaign funds. The U.S. govt. shouldn't be footing the bill for that from the taxpayers pocket.
                                                                                                                                                                              I am fine with that as long as all candidates are required to have the same level of security. If you require the President to have X Millions of dollars in security expenses for Airforce1 etc, you'd have to require Romney to have the same expense. Otherwise you are making the incumbent spend more on administrative costs and giving an advantage to challengers. That's the quick fix....

                                                                                                                                                                              The real solution is publicly funded elections and ZERO campaign contributions. Each candidate gets X amount of television time, Y amount of flight time and public venue time etc and campaigns can not start before a specific date. Doing that would fix the problems created by Citizens United, take care of the travel cost issues you raised and provide fair elections with a tiny fraction of the money now wasted on them. Imagine if both candidates had a 100 million dollar campaign budget publicly financed. All the billions of dollars they now collect would never go into the political system, would not corrupt candidates, and would end up utilized elsewhere actually doing some good instead.
                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Relentless; 10-17-2012, 01:00 PM.


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