Until recently you swore your pay sites are doing well too and then you posted two days of stats that showed you make $60/day with no rebills and everyone laughed.

Now we are supposed to believe your content store makes money until you post a screen shot of online banking thinking you're a baller and you have $292 in there.

guess the guy with no traffic

If you mean "talking to a monkey who is dead and gagged" then yes.

It's really a simple concept - no traffic, no customers.

Paul doesn't seem to get this.

These are questions newbies were asking back in 1998 Paul. Any webmaster worth his salt today should know the answers to those as easily as they know how to breath. Anyone that doesn't should pick up their spatch and apron and go hit up their local McD's for a job and quit with the whole "gonna build me a web empire" pipe dream.

if you still call your customers "surfers" you're probably gone or on your way. tally hoe :costumed87

Today if you don't give them something good, you're going to lose out. Because someone else will give them what they want.

All these people living in the past are thinking like it was 1998 when a surfer could be sent to anything. 2012 it's a totally different time.

Try make a Tube work with 100 3 minute scenes, try throwing tons of traffic at DVTimes sites. Respect to him, but his sites are bad because he can't shoot well and can't afford to get someone who can. You bring up me and my content. It's so simple I wonder why you keep going on about it. So here it is.

You couldn't sell to my market because you weren't good enough. I wasn't going to take your market away because I wasn't working for the money it paid.

The same goes for all the affiliates replying with their 1998 mantra. while they send traffic to the best paying sites. Why are they the best selling and they earn more? You know the answer.

CDSmith of course I know and so does everyone here. They need content. The people telling us they can get traffic without content and send it to a site without using content, are sending to the site with the best product that converts the best. They need their traffic they seem to have picked up without content, to go to a site with content to get paid.

No content, no people to send anywhere. It's always the same 1998 reply. No traffic no sales. Well no content no sales, surfers won't pay sponsors for a blank page and then they can't pay affiliates. So please stop with the 20th century mantra.


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The problems today are because of this stupid logic. Today there's more people looking at porn than ever before and never has there been less sales. Go argue that to the wall, because it's obvious.

To make it worse a handful of sites dominate the market of free porn. You have all the traffic you could dream of. Yet why are sales in the toilet? Simply because the content on sale can't compete with the content given away for free. Can it be solved by throwing more traffic at the problem? Yes just keep loading more free porn. :upsidedow

Yes a few can get Adwords gathered surfers going straight to a sponsors site. WITH content so the surfer buys something. Do these affiliate send traffic to crap sites with few scenes or great sites with loads of scenes?

Itto "You can also get traffic to a site *without* plenty of good content." Yes you can. so send your traffic to one of these sites and see how you do. Try sending it to crap site without a lot of content. Or a site with a lot of good content and see how much money from the sites.

Come up with a logical argument or show actual proof where you earn loads of money sending lots of traffic to badly converting sites.

You can also is a stupid argument. It's what you do is what counts and none of you send traffic to sites with crap conversions. Unless you want to prove I'm wrong can we accept that?

My blank pages convert at 1:1

im not looking so good next to these numbers

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I'm not sure if I totally understand the point Paul is trying make, verbatim, but I will agree with him to the extent to say that content does trump traffic.

What I think is lost on a lot of people in the industry is that it's in many ways like Hollywood.

Adult is an industry of stars- personalities- porn stars if you will.

One Kim Kardashian, or Jenna Jameson, or even one of the playboy girls nextdoor is worth more than 50 Manwins.

Basically, Manwin's strength comes from the weaknesses of a disorganized industry.

Manwin doesn't make porn stars- customers do.

Am I anywhere close to what you mean Paul?

That's where targeting your audience comes into the equation. You just don't throw generic heaps of adult traffic at a random crap site.

You filter, pre-sell, etc. your potential customers in a way so that they land exactly at the site they prefer. The site you want to sell to them. At this point (after the filtering), it doesn't matter if the content is good or bad - it's exactly what they want.

There are people who want HD porn, lots of it.
There are people who want pictures.
There are people who want to buy used panties.
There are people who want to be financially dominated (no content needed, it's actually a niche), etc.

But it's PEOPLE (traffic) that are buying your product.



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I don't even have any websites and I'm still making sales.

A million hits to a site with OK content will make more than a site with the most amazing content that gets 3 hits.

Why Paul doesn't understand this is beyond me.

Please show me how you get your traffic and then send it to the places to get paid.

I AM NOT SAYING DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET TRAFFIC.

That goes for the rest of you going down that route.

Exactly. :thumbsup
If they were sheep, people would convert 100%. Ever heard of a shepherd who only shears r slaughters 1-1,000 of his flock. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. An impulse has to be generated. Throwing mud at a wall, etc.

If only it was that easy. Get some way to force people into buying. Like a Velcro site, once opened the surfer can never leave until he's bought a membership. That would convert 100% do you know one?

Please show us how you monetise people with zero content. The actual method you use to do this.

Paul, hail to that post. I've been seeing it that way since 1995. A lot of webmasters never seem to listen though... I guess they're the sheep

Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid...stupid...stupid...you perverted motherfucker.

spot on. Fantastic way to put it. If this lot could control the people like they could control sheep. The "water" wouldn't be rising.

And that's what this thread is about. They don't control people in any way at all. Their method of getting people to a site comes down to standing in a street with a bunch of leaflets offering them to passers by. Some offering leaflets to a targeted market, yet even these rarely convert 10%. The better the targeting the better the result. Still when the prospect sees the leaflet it's content of the leaflet that makes them read, when they go to the shop it's content that makes them buy, if they come beck it was the content that brought them back. At no time have I said don't hand out leaflets. Even Damian with his emailig method is relying on content of the emails to get the best reaction.

Stupidity. When did I say we do not need any traffic what so ever. If that's your best argument. Go think of your next job.

Show me your site that converts 99% of all the people on it.

Because you have a ton of content. Take the content off and see how many you have. And if they were sheep, you would make 65 million sales. Instead of selling at a few dollars a 1,000. Sheep are pay better. :thumbsup

[QUOTETheSquealer] This fucking idiot builds a childs wagon[/QUOTE]

Show us your wagon please.

Show us your irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass.

No, if they find a site that doesn't convert. They go elsewhere. You were preoccupied with the content on the HUN. That's why it was the best TGP site. Or did you throw up any gallery without checking and selecting the best ones?

And when Tubes topped TGPs, the surfers left The Hun to go to Pornhub.

But you still think I'm wrong. Why is that? :winkwink:

You are dead right that many have failed to adapt in porn. Thinking they can work and think as did in 1995. you would of thought by now they had learnt people can't be controlled, there is no irresistible offer. And the truth is few convert better than 2% of all traffic. 1-50 people who see their offer.

Maybe it's time they stopped thinking it's 1995. :winkwink:

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King Sheep at it again?

Guess you're not always right Paul... Lucky for me ;-)

Treat people with respect. Don't annoy them into buying, proof them it's worth paying for something... my 0.02...

Hang on that's what I'm saying. So how is it I'm wrong when you agree with me?

Glad you posted because your site illustrates how easy it is to get the traffic, once you have made sure you treat people with respect and they keep coming.

how hard was it to buy a spot on The Hun? Not very hard. Send an email, pay the money, send the banner or gallery and there you are. On the top of the best, in it's day, traffic site. Because Patrick made sure to treat people with respect, not take them for granted and give them what they wanted. Day after day. :thumbsup

And there you have 100,000s seeing it every day you paid for the spot. And the traffic game is finished. The people see the content on the banner or gallery. If they like it they click the link, it they like the content on the tour, they might buy, if they do and lie the content inside the site, they stay.

Traffic part so easy. Getting the people to spend money because of the content, so hard. Getting more traffic = more spots on more TGPs, so easy. Getting all those people to buy is reliant on the content convincing the people it's good enough. So hard.

When your only solution is to get free viewers, because your product can't convince them to buy anything. Then your problem is still the product. Go sell something that people will buy.

Paul, that's the in-it-for-the-long-time-approach I've been always following. A lot are in there for the quick buck though. And I must admit that it's a very easy pitfall to think 'how can I make more from my visitor' instead of 'how can I please my customer more'. I am always trying to think like the latter...

Patrick that's the basis of all goof businesses and I respect you for doing it. This is why your site was the tops and those with a less sensible approach were so bad. A person surfing when he clicks on a link wants to see what he asked for, not sent to another site, he wants to feel he won't be sent to a scam site, that the place he's going to is worth seeing.

The same goes for this debate. A person will look at a link, sample, site and make an calculated decision. The wiser he gets the harder it is to fool him. Which is why today millions just stay on free tubes. It's not only the free part, we're selling a product that's $1 a day and often allows a member to download 100s of scenes.

The reason they don't buy is those 100s of HD scenes can't compete with a low res FLV Tube scenes. So they throw 100,000s of people at samples to earn a living.

Goof businesses? ;-)

Sigmund Freud says hello..

Why so angry?

I get those every day when i open my mailbox..
y'know those flyers: "SALE! bazillion inches lcd TV $199 (was $999, only today)".

When you arrive at the store, there's a huge crowd in front of it and the tv's are sold out in less than 10 minutes. 80% of those sheep buying them don't even need a new tv, they only buy it because of the irresistible offer, herd-mentality and scarcity of the deal.

Same concept at online deal-sites:

http://i.imgur.com/kODRX.jpg

I didn't just make that up, Paul. It's a well-known marketing technique.



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So a mediocre {at best} photographer, who has to survive on a pension and whatever his wife makes at work is telling someone {who you may not agree with his methods but he does alright for himself :)} how things work... shit I think the dementia is kicking in.

So, then it comes back to offering a quality presentation of a quality product, not something that is low-quality and covered with ads. The visitors are smart enough to know the difference. I've been reviewing freesites for my linklist, and I amazed and how hard it is to even find the content among the ads on some of them. When I check the related paysite out, it usually looks just as tacky. Maybe these webmasters are trying to fool the visitor into clicking through to the paysite. Would I spend my money there? No. But I also don't spend time on the tube sites either. Why spend money to see the entire scene when you can see a low res version for free? I am sure the low res does the same kind of job for the average visitor. I don't want those.. I want the ones that appreciate the quality and want the security of enjoying their porn in a virus-free, malware-free environment.

I said "Show us YOUR irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass."

Not some screen grab.

So if you sell a life times membership to Brazzers for $1. Not a scam. We can all see how it's done.

A mediocre photographer who made more than you do. Who wouldn't shoot custom for peanuts. Who now lives off his private pensions and the income from his content sales, 4 years after retiring.

You can lie all you like to prove a false point. Doesn't make it right.

Show us your great sites so we can see how you work.

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you would think with all these clever guys, finding great sites would be easy. Throwing people at crap is so 1995. These guys need to get into the 21st century. :1orglaugh

Why in the world would i expose my landers/concepts/etc. to my competition on a public forum? Jeez..



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Because we would laugh at you.

I'm not the one telling people who run 8 figure companies what they should do better.

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Traffic and Content are gay lovers.

I told them to make better content.
Told Fabian to buy other companies.

didn't have to tell them to get their own traffic sources, they were on top of that.

So tell me where I'm wrong. Because they either listened or we think along the same lines. Which isn't amazing as there the lines The Hun thought along as well.

:thumbsup And customers learned as well. Like you can spot a poor site, so can they.That's why affiliates send their people to good sites. Those that can't spot need to waste time testing it. :Oh crap

Pretty accurate :1orglaugh