Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19255872)

It's really a simple concept - no traffic, no customers.

Paul doesn't seem to get this.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19256031)

Itto "You can also get traffic to a site *without* plenty of good content." Yes you can. so send your traffic to one of these sites and see how you do. Try sending it to crap site without a lot of content. Or a site with a lot of good content and see how much money from the sites.

Come up with a logical argument or show actual proof where you earn loads of money sending lots of traffic to badly converting sites.

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19256036)

My blank pages convert at 1:1

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's really a simple concept - no traffic, no customers.

Paul doesn't seem to get this.

Originally Posted by itto

That's where targeting your audience comes into the equation. You just don't throw generic heaps of adult traffic at a random crap site.

You filter, pre-sell, etc. your potential customers in a way so that they land exactly at the site they prefer. The site you want to sell to them. At this point (after the filtering), it doesn't matter if the content is good or bad - it's exactly what they want.

There are people who want HD porn, lots of it.
There are people who want pictures.
There are people who want to buy used panties.
There are people who want to be financially dominated (no content needed, it's actually a niche), etc.

But it's PEOPLE (traffic) that are buying your product.

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I wanna learn how I can monetize content with zero traffics like a boss

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19256843)

Please show me how you get your traffic and then send it to the places to get paid.



I AM NOT SAYING DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET TRAFFIC.

That goes for the rest of you going down that route.



Exactly. :thumbsup
If they were sheep, people would convert 100%. Ever heard of a shepherd who only shears r slaughters 1-1,000 of his flock. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. An impulse has to be generated. Throwing mud at a wall, etc.



If only it was that easy. Get some way to force people into buying. Like a Velcro site, once opened the surfer can never leave until he's bought a membership. That would convert 100% do you know one?



Please show us how you monetise people with zero content. The actual method you use to do this.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You have an island filled with people surrounded by an ocean. The ocean is constantly growing and removing more land from the island as it does so. As the ocean expands your island becomes smaller and the people formally on your island drown and become a part of the ocean.

The ocean represents the people who do not pay for porn (ever growing), the island represents the financial well being of your porn business and the people on your island represent those who will pay for porn (ever shrinking).

As long as the water keeps rising you'll either slowly lose it all or you'll have to learn how to profit from the rising water or otherwise neutralize it. I can be terrible at analogies sometimes but this sums up porn in 2012.

Originally Posted by Manwin

Today, Manwin alone has 65 million uniques a day.

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19256847)

Paul, hail to that post. I've been seeing it that way since 1995. A lot of webmasters never seem to listen though... I guess they're the sheep

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19256873)

And when Tubes topped TGPs, the surfers left The Hun to go to Pornhub.

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19256904)

Guess you're not always right Paul... Lucky for me ;-)

Treat people with respect. Don't annoy them into buying, proof them it's worth paying for something... my 0.02...

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19256927)

Paul, that's the in-it-for-the-long-time-approach I've been always following. A lot are in there for the quick buck though. And I must admit that it's a very easy pitfall to think 'how can I make more from my visitor' instead of 'how can I please my customer more'. I am always trying to think like the latter...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19256866)

Show us your irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass.

Originally Posted by itto (Post 19257132)

Why so angry?

I get those every day when i open my mailbox..
y'know those flyers: "SALE! bazillion inches lcd TV $199 (was $999, only today)".

When you arrive at the store, there's a huge crowd in front of it and the tv's are sold out in less than 10 minutes. 80% of those sheep buying them don't even need a new tv, they only buy it because of the irresistible offer, herd-mentality and scarcity of the deal.

Same concept at online deal-sites:

http://i.imgur.com/kODRX.jpg

I didn't just make that up, Paul. It's a well-known marketing technique.



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Originally Posted by Pyewacket (Post 19257158)

So, then it comes back to offering a quality presentation of a quality product, not something that is low-quality and covered with ads. The visitors are smart enough to know the difference. I've been reviewing freesites for my linklist, and I amazed and how hard it is to even find the content among the ads on some of them. When I check the related paysite out, it usually looks just as tacky. Maybe these webmasters are trying to fool the visitor into clicking through to the paysite. Would I spend my money there? No. But I also don't spend time on the tube sites either. Why spend money to see the entire scene when you can see a low res version for free? I am sure the low res does the same kind of job for the average visitor. I don't want those.. I want the ones that appreciate the quality and want the security of enjoying their porn in a virus-free, malware-free environment.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257261)

I said "Show us YOUR irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass."

Not some screen grab.

Originally Posted by itto (Post 19257325)

Why in the world would i expose my landers/concepts/etc. to my competition on a public forum? Jeez..



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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257261)

mediocre photographer who made more than you do. Who wouldn't shoot custom for peanuts. Who now lives off his private pensions and the income from his content sales, 4 years after retiring.

You can lie all you like to prove a false point. Doesn't make it right.

Show us your great sites so we can see how you work.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257433)

Because we would laugh at you.

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 19255177)

Your Point is Valid but Traffic is and always KING

Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 19257779)

I'm not the one telling people who run 8 figure companies what they should do better.

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19257464)

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19257852)

Traffic and Content are gay lovers.

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19258006)

Pretty accurate :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19254780)

For years I've watched many here delude themselves with traffic is king, people or sites control traffic and the obvious cons and scams we've all seen. Finally the truth is starting to dawn on people.

Traffic is millions of people with a free will. They go where they want, do what they like and leave when they like. After all the scams we've seen they like us have become wiser and the scammers lass effective. Still a few of them will succeed.

In porn if you can give it away for free and easy to get. They will go to it and no matter how much others try, people will go where they want to go and that's to the best. If your product is better, the people once told will come and stay. They came the The Hun, because Patrick worked at making his site the best. They now go the Pornhub and Youtube, because they're the best. The day they stop being the best,the people will go elsewhere.

This carries through to sites that sell memberships. The people who go there will look at the offers and decide for themselves if they join. Once they joined, they will decide if they want to stay and rebill. They will decide if they come back in 6 months to get the updates.

So any anyone with thoughts of little companies competing in the major niches in the future. Needs to take this into consideration.

CAN I COMPETE WITH THE MEGA SITES.

Because if you can't the majority of people including affiliates, will see what you're offering and walk away. This is happening every day in high streets. Few go to the local stores in the high street. They go to the Malls. Few buy goods from little Ma & Pa operations, they buy from Fords, Coca Cola, GE, etc.

Who get's the most traffic online Youtube or Vimeo? I don't even know a smaller one, which shows you who will get the people coming to their sites in the future.

Now you can all start denying the obvious.

don't tell me it always was obvious, if it had of been you would of been working on making your offerings better than the rest. You just worked on getting more people and didn't bother enough on what you were offering the people.