Everyone here bringing up 9/11 needs to STOP. More people die a year in the U.S. (10000+) from GUNS. The U.S. should not attack Iraq until the UN is behind such an action. What really irks me about all the war makers is that they can blab off for hours about 9/11 but no one gives a FUCK about all the people that will die if we go to war. Just write off all the soldiers, write off all the innocent Iraqi people... it's this selfish, aggressive attitude that got the U.S. attacked by terrorists in the first place.

Why can't we just put all our troops at our FUCKING BORDERS, at our harbors, at our airports, at our embassies....?

PEACE IN THE MOTHER FUCKIN MIDDLE EAST, FUCKERS :321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

We could but for what purpose. Lets assume that the inspectors found some more chemical, biological materials and some of the remaining missiles/artillary WMD's left over from 1998. Or even one step further, found them all, and destroyed them. Where does that leave us. Saddam would still be in power and he would demand that the sanctions be lifted, if the sanctions are lifted, in a year or two he will be back to full oil production and acquriing the billions of dollars of income Iraq enjoyed prior to the sanctions. He would now be free to rebuild his military, to once again reconstitute his chemical, biological, missile programs and be free to seek out nuclear materials. In addition if all of his chemical and biological materials were not destroyed in total, he just may decide to provide some to the many terrorists groups that hate the USA and/or Israel.

If the sanctions are not lifted then his people continue to die because he uses the "oil for food and medicine" program for other purposes. By some accounts 2 million have died up to this point because of the sanctions. Would you prefer to see that happen or would you prefer to kill a few thousand in place of a few million?

To get the rest of the world on side. To make it look like a fair process has been gone through.

sure pathfinder, but let's further assume that WE gave him the chemical weapons to use on the Iranians, and that neither he nor us gives one little flying fuck about his people in actuality.

let's further assume that you're a sweaty fat guy with a back brace who lives with his mom and never leaves the house.

given these assumptions, it's fair to say that we're going to war as a distraction for the gullible and pathetic, such as yourself, and $20.00 barrels of crude.

I ask again... what makes you think the weapons will be found after a war is over and Saddam is gone?

I never have intercourse with easily propagandized old recluses who live with their mother. You're just not my type, sorry HOSS

what is it with these republicans? they consider themselves so anti-goverment and rebellious, and they express this by worshipping the President LOL

I wish you would all start your own country, and take Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh with you. You have no place in America.

you poor mentally disturbed invalid, I doubt that Webster's misspelled 'genitalia'.

I might let you suck me off though if you catch me drunk, so chin up!

you got a purdy mouf there, Hoss, mah liddle buckaroo.. go round up Little Joe and we'uns'll have usselves a party YEEHAW!

fucking republicans

The problem I have with the anti war crowd is all the arguments against war are either total spin or political.

They also have no solution.

So basically, you people want some hippie utopia fantasyland where there is no war, no suffereing, everyone gets the same share , and have a nice high standard of living and drive an suv.

Now to accomplish this goal, this same group of people....


1. Wants millitary, fbi, cia budgets completely slashed.

2. Wants cheap gas prices, but does not want to drill at home or gain prescense in areas of the world that have large easier drilled oil fields.

3. Want to protest about potential civillians being killed, and at the same time want to leave a man in power that brutalizes his citizens , citizens who do not have an once of freedom, and has used chemical weapons on women and children twice.



Wake up. People like sadaam do not share your after school special type values. Radical arabs like him would rip your heart out and eat it raw without thinking twice.

Somebody, Im begging you. Give me one good reason to not take out saddam that isnt spin or politically driven.

Let me turn that around on you.

Give me one good reason to take out Saddam that isn't spin or politically driven?

nobody has to give you a reason NOT to go to war, you have to give US a reason to go to war. Once is inaction, the other is action.

everything that you say about Hussein could be said about a dozen other dictators, and more so about many of them. So why should I be for spending billions of taxpayer dollars and wasting american lives on one little sandpit tyrant?

War is only for when we're threatened, and we STILL don't have Bin Laden dead OR alive.

Ahh...I will give credit when credit is due, but you left out Falwell. By the way I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican party. I do not like George Bush as a President and I do not listen too Rush Limbaugh. When he had his TV show I occasionally watched the show, good comedy. Pat Robertson and Dr. Laura are kooks.

rooster,

political spin?, please. 90% of the spin you get on the news is those from the white house and downing street. They are the most well practiced spin-machines in existence.

Well none of them could answer my question. People that answer questions with questions are deceitful people.


This whole thing with iraq is a very political situation. Certain countries do not want their business deals with saddam to end. Certain people are very anti- american. Certain people hate the president so much they won't support anything he does.

Rooster, you really are a COCK! :1orglaugh

enough posts bout the dam war, keep it in the same thread all the same shit just ppl r like:

Should we go to war
next thread
should America go to war
next thread
should allies support war,

fuck!

"smokescreen" ?

Yeah - Right.

The kind of smoke you had better have a GAS MASK to keep it from killing you fool.

Apply all that to WW2, and you will see how naive it is.

Won't have to find them....

Because when our bombs hit his bombs they will go BOOM!





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Just like your bombs made Osama bin Laden go BOOM ?!?

DynaMite

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It aint over till it's over....

Hitler was one of the LAST to go down in WW2 wasn't he?


But I thought you were walking about fining weapons after the war - so your comment is confusing at best. People are smarter than bombs - Even him. - Probably even you!

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Let's just hope that NEVER happens.....

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On the same page!!!!

I really see "the problem you have" :BangBang:

On December 6th 2002 Iraq was to give FULL disclosure of their weapons. They claimed they had NONE.

So you either believe that they disarmed themselves, or you believe they are lying.

With past track records I believe they are lying.

directfiest you are misinterpreting trying to create something where its not.

"The problem I have with the anti war crowd is all the arguments against war are either total spin or political. "


"This whole thing with iraq is a very political situation. "



Whats the problem? It is a very political situation and people are basing their arguments against the war on politics.

Its a very political thing that france dosent want to support it due to their business deals with sadaam. Dosent mean they cant do the right thing and support the allies.

Has anyone here openly, in the streets protested against this possible/probable world war 3? Or is it all a matter of words? Curious, really, as there was a time I would have held my sign with the crowd, but now all I seem to do is type opinion.

That's all very well, I believe they are lying too. Actually I don't really know, but for justice to be seen to be done. What is believed doesn't matter you need evidence. Patience does not seem to be a virtue of the Hawks, too much instant gratification.

.....he says after 12 years of fucking with that ass hole....

We have evidence. We have known for some time that they have been experimenting with chemical/germ warfare. Now we need to convince the UN that we are all at risk. Basically, we're going into this situation for more reasons that political strength and the fight for oil.

I totally agree.

If this is a war against terrorism there are more obvious countries to fight than Iraq. Level Iran and tell Syria and anyone else supporting this shit that they're next if they don't stop now.

But these attempts to link AlQaeda and Iraq aren't trustworthy.

But that's just it - It's NOT just about terrorism.

It's about one of many terrorists, and the terrorism he can spread. Sometimes you just have to take them in the order they present themselves. And going after this one, will surely flush out many others.

Exactly - it's not about terrorism and that's probably why so many countries do not support an invasion of Iraq.

Remove the fundamentalist in Iran instead if this really is a war against terrorism.
Or why not Saudi? Most of the hijackers were Saudi.

Of all the countries you could pick Iraq does not seem like the obvious choice unles ofcourse there's a hidden agenda...

Wow! This Englishman must be desparately wanting a green card! No actual reasoning but just pure love for America. Priceless! There are some things money can't buy for everything else there's U.S. green card! :1orglaugh

That just said you quoted ME.....


I NEVER said one single word of that !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it says "posted" not "qouted" and YOU posted that quote alright :winkwink:

Right, also OIL! saw the prices lately... Anwar in Alaska wont be enough...

I've also seen it is more to blame on labor strikes in countries that have have nothing to do with this conflict, and that the Iraq situation has had little do do with oil prices.

Hell - we could just buy all their oil cheaper than the war - that aint it.

I see... so it does.

Well - I knew I didn't say it - but it was indeed in the article I posted.

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