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directfiesta 02-15-2003 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by galleryseek
I don't know shit about shit, but I do support a war with Iraq. Thank you.
A true American has spoken!

Scott McD 02-15-2003 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
If we go to war, this country needs to be unified! Maybe the rest of the world doesn't like what we're doing, but our soldiers shouldn't have to hear negativity from us when they're on the battlefield, and on the frontline.

directfiesta 02-15-2003 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357


Do you give a shit about the thousands killed in WTC? What am I supposed to do about those casualties?

What the fuck were WE supposed to do after the attack on WTC? Sit there and take it? They attacked US. They killed our civilians FIRST.

But that's something you obviously don't give a shit about.

You should say BEFORE.. CIA was aware since 1999 of possible attacks. They presented their evidence to the Whitehouse, which choosed to ignore it. These facts ( Next Monday Night, 8:00 PM on Radio-Canada TV ) do not justify those acts or excuse them. But if I am not mistaking, retaliation was taken in Afghanistan, where those terrorists ( mainly Saudis ) were trained, financed and sheltered.


So, the WTC casualties are awfull but at one point you have to stop blaming eveybody and anybody .

AM Jeff 02-15-2003 11:14 AM

I don't like war, like anyone else.

But, I'm tired of Saddam fucking with the world and his own people.
If their gonna go in and get him out.

By god, they better finish it this time.
No jackin around another 12 years later like before.

The man is BAD news. If they don't get rid of him now.
He will cause havac a few years down the road and we will ALL wish he was gone by then.

escorpio 02-15-2003 11:50 AM

I am 100% behind a war with Australia and FUCK all you "no blood for Foster's" pussies!:ak47:

drunkmonkey 02-15-2003 12:05 PM

I am for war. Not becuase of any of the aforementioned arguments but because it is damn near necessary in order to maintain American financial dominance.

Saddam switched his market reserves to Euros in late 2000. Since then, the Euro has become financially stronger and more stable than the Dollar. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and many other nations are on the verge of transferring their reserves to Euros. If OPEC transfers to Euros, which seems inevitable unless we not only attack Iraq but keep a strong hold on it for quite some time, then the American dollar will cease to become the International trading unit. Hence, America will become financially fucked.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

sacX 02-15-2003 03:58 PM

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Um. You don't know any history at all, do you? Hitler was Dictaror of an impoverished nation. That is what made him so dangerous. Crack a book.
Uh i didn't say that Hitler wasn't. Simply implying that Iraq is currently impotent. It's just a bit rich/sensationalist to say he'll turn into Hitler from the current situation.

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by letshunt

This is no Viet Nam. Although, assholes like you kept us from mopping the whole deal up in short order...we never lost a battle, just the politics. Think about it, 50,000 guys dead for no reason. Your ilk must take great pride in that.

Let me guess - long time listener, first time caller? :)

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Very briefly:

1. Please explain how these countries stand to lose more money than the U.S. (and Bush's pals) plans to make? If they oppose war for financial reasons, wouldn't that be better than supporting war for financial reasons?

2. Several countries in South America as well as, I believe (could be wrong here), Mexico oppose the war. What is their motivation or angle?

3. In some of the countries you list, 80%-90% of the population of the country is against the war. The people, not just the government officials. Do you really think the average Frenchman is against the war because he wants his government to make money on some deal with Iraq?

4. There is a lot of blind repeating of White House talking points by right wingers on GFY. Some of you guys just repeat whatever you are told by the right wing media without doing the research to see if it's true or even slightly believable. Generally it isn't productive to engage in debate with people who believe whatever they hear on talk radio.

Talk radio again you say(your standard answer I see). What about talk TV. Ever wonder why talk radio is so BIG? Take a Wild Wild guess?

haggard 02-15-2003 04:27 PM

i don't support a war at all because all it leads up to is simply plain old death. but at the same time if we can't avoid it or try other ways to end it then war is the only option. i'll fight for my country as i swore to do if it comes down to it.

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by sacX
well in Afghanistan several thousand innocent people were killed. You see there's these things called *bombs*

Saddam is hardly Hitler he's Dictator of an impoverished nation.

And why is Iraq impoverished? and yes innocent people's will be killed, it happens in all wars. Make's no Diff. if 100's of millions people the world over take to the streets. There is going 2 be a war.

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by kenny
Removing Sadam will be a good thing for both the people of Iraq and the insurance of national security.
He has a very hostile past reguarding bordering countries and his own people. He is playing the international community because he has his back agaisnt the wall.
War is ugly. War should be a last resort. Come on a good decade the dictator had to disarm. Diplomatic efforts are proven a waste of time. Iraq has/had known weapons of mass destruction. What happen to them? If he destroyed them then there should be documents and proof of the disarming. You cant expect a team of inspectors to search a entire country blindly. Iraq is supposed to say "Look we got rid of the damn things here is how and when they where destroyed", not "go ahead and look we aint got shit". And believe me if the Iraq goverment doesnt document the locations and events reguarding the status of weapons of mass destruction then the govermant needs to be removed for that reason alone. You cant just say " the fuckers are just gone".
North Korea, other nations still have a diplomatic angle that can be approached. After the diplomatic approach proves to be a failure then the last resort "military force" has to be taken to adjust the situation.

Well said.:thumbsup

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by sexsami
theking, you are 100% right
I think so 2.

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by J B


You should replace US with UN...

what the fuck is the UN going 2 do, not shit. 2 funny.:1orglaugh

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Is there one continent where the majority of people support a unilateral war on Iraq?
Yip Texas. were you from the USA or Texas?

opps thought I read country not continent:1orglaugh

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Talk radio again you say(your standard answer I see). What about talk TV. Ever wonder why talk radio is so BIG? Take a Wild Wild guess?
TV news is right wing biased too. Have you turned on a TV in the last few years? Please don't tell me you're one of those brainwashed people who thinks that CNN is liberal?

rooster 02-15-2003 04:51 PM

Lets cut the spin.

cbs, nbc, abc are highly liberal. Brokaw, Rather, Jennings are diehard democrats. Anyone that denies this needs help.

The major newspapers are run by liberals.

CNN is pro government and seem content to just pitch softball questions and not rock the boat.


The only place to find a right wing opinion is fox news and talk radio.

There is a reason fox news is kicking cnn and msnbc's ass in the ratings. Because they reflect the views of middle america.

jayeff 02-15-2003 04:53 PM

I would not support a war against Iraq and I do not support the massacre there that the US and Britain seem intent upon. As a resident of one country and a citizen of the other, I am ashamed of both.

Like everyone else, I have no clear knowledge of the threat that Iraq may really represent, although having been in the target area of his missiles in 1991, I find it extremely hard to believe he represents a more serious threat today. But even if I am wrong, what the US government wants to do is an obscenity: an act that is unlikely to be a solution and out of all proportion to the problem.

It is nonsense to pretend that this slaughter of mainly defenseless civilians is intended as some kind of social engineering for the benefit of the Iraqis. In the past 70 years the US has supported far too many tyrants to be able to claim that it has the slightest interest in the welfare of regular Iraqis.

With the US economy in the state it is and amendments to the Patriot Act threatening to turn the US into a police state, US citizens would be far better off being concerned about what is going on in their own country than looking to peddle death half way around the world.

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
Lets cut the spin.

cbs, nbc, abc are highly liberal. Brokaw, Rather, Jennings are diehard democrats. Anyone that denies this needs help.

The major newspapers are run by liberals.

CNN is pro government and seem content to just pitch softball questions and not rock the boat.

The only place to find a right wing opinion is fox news and talk radio.

There is a reason fox news is kicking cnn and msnbc's ass in the ratings. Because they reflect the views of middle america.

Hilarious post.

jimmyf 02-15-2003 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by theking


You and I know (it definitely is not public knowledge) that Special Operations Forces (which includes the Special Forces) operate around the world on a daily basis and there is little doubt in my mind that they have been operating in Iraq since 1991.

I 100% believe it, And a lot of other places also.

jimmyf 02-15-2003 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Let me guess - long time listener, first time caller? :)

Not talk radio again..............PLEASE say no........:1orglaugh

jimmyf 02-15-2003 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
Lets cut the spin.

cbs, nbc, abc are highly liberal. Brokaw, Rather, Jennings are diehard democrats. Anyone that denies this needs help.

The major newspapers are run by liberals.

CNN is pro government and seem content to just pitch softball questions and not rock the boat.


The only place to find a right wing opinion is fox news and talk radio.

There is a reason fox news is kicking cnn and msnbc's ass in the ratings. Because they reflect the views of middle america.

Please tell Mr.Fiction, he's behind times, or I should say on a sinking ship. I did read today in the San Francisco Chronicle, MSNBC is going 2 have a TV show with That Savage guy. My 1st thought was god from one end of the spectrum 2 the other.

And yes the major newspapers are run by liberals, use 2 be (Years Ago) the Editors were Conservative no longer.

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Not talk radio again..............PLEASE say no........:1orglaugh
I can usually pick out a talk radio listener on GFY in 3 posts or less.

They all say the exact same catchphrases and code words that they hear on the radio.

You can deny it, but we both know the truth. A very large percentage of this country is brainwashed by talk radio, CNN, Fox, etc.

Rush alone claims 20 million drones listen to him everyday. That's a lot of people who prefer right wing propaganda to facts.

Arguing with talk radio listeners is nearly pointless, so I mostly just point them out when I see them.

I think I see one! :)

jimmyf 02-15-2003 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


I can usually pick out a talk radio listener on GFY in 3 posts or less.

They all say the exact same catchphrases and code words that they hear on the radio.

You can deny it, but we both know the truth. A very large percentage of this country is brainwashed by talk radio, CNN, Fox, etc.

Rush alone claims 20 million drones listen to him everyday. That's a lot of people who prefer right wing propaganda to facts.

Arguing with talk radio listeners is nearly pointless, so I mostly just point them out when I see them.

I think I see one! :)

I done told you me no listen 2 talk radio's.:) 20 million is 1 hell of a lot of drones. if one guy has 20 million all combined could be pushing 100 million. drones drones drones drones all over the place

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 05:24 PM

By the way, here are some numbers on which candidate most U.S. newspapers endorsed in the 2000 election:

http://www.tipponline.com/articles/00/E&p112.htm

At the same time, the survey revealed that the nation's newspapers have endorsed Bush over Gore by a better than 2-1 margin.

The Editor & Publisher/TIPP poll also asked who the editors and publishers plan to vote for themselves next week. In another surprise, those willing to reveal their vote named Bush by a 2-1 margin. Publishers will vote for Bush at a 3-1 ratio, with editors favoring the Texas Governor by a narrow margin.

tony286 02-15-2003 05:32 PM

We knew about Pearl Habor before it happened. It was our excuse to get into the war. We had to get into the war but back then we didnt attack until attacked apon. As crazy as Saddam is he is not Hitler and the Nazi's , he will also never raise to that level he has a suckful army unlike Hitler had.Also Hitler had the support of the German people for the most part, people dont like to talk about that. Saddams people are there only because he wont let them out lol. Also he was doing all this evil shit 12 yrs ago and W's father kept him in power.


Read the book


At Dawn We Slept: The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor Considered the most complete work on the subject.

.:Frog:. 02-15-2003 05:33 PM

NO!
Notice most people agree.

rooster 02-15-2003 05:37 PM

yea, gfy is a great barometer for anything. Half the people on the board hate america. The other half are diehard liberals that think conservatives will end porn even though there was more obsenity busts in the clinton years.

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
yea, gfy is a great barometer for anything. Half the people on the board hate america. The other half are diehard liberals that think conservatives will end porn even though there was more obsenity busts in the clinton years.
You are comparing the first 2 years of Bush to 8 years of Clinton? Instead, why don't you think back to when Reagan and the first Bush were in office for 12 years and compare that to Clinton?

Here is an article from some right wing site that might wake you up:

http://www.moralityinmedia.org/index...lintonporn.htm

During the first six years of the Clinton administration, federal obscenity law enforcement declined by over eighty percent. In fiscal year 1997, there were only six prosecutions in which the lead charge was a violation of federal obscenity laws. In fiscal year 1998, the number was eight.

During the Reagan and Bush administrations,the Justice Department successfully prosecuted child pornographers and large-scale purveyors of obscenity; and, in the process of effectively enforcing the obscenity laws, collected millions of dollars in fines and forfeitures to offset the costs of enforcement.

rooster 02-15-2003 06:03 PM

can you answer any question without completely spinning ?

Mr.Fiction 02-15-2003 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
can you answer any question without completely spinning ?
Maybe you missed this part of my response:

During the first six years of the Clinton administration, federal obscenity law enforcement declined by over eighty percent.


:)

Joe Sixpack 02-15-2003 06:11 PM

No, I think he's just ignoring it.

:1orglaugh

rooster 02-15-2003 06:12 PM

and that is spin. The issue at hand is obsenity under gwb vs clinton.

I don't even think obsenity busts are a bad thing. But the calling card from many pornographers for months ahead of the election is how internet porn would be in hot water under bush. That has not been the case. Far from it. And the obsenity and censorship has been in europe and canada.

MaxDent 02-15-2003 07:15 PM

This is like a fucking good looking chick.

IT MUST BE DONE!

Joe Sixpack 02-16-2003 02:11 AM

44% for war
56% against

Anyone else?


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