Are cam girls making less these days?

Sick of the same girls maybe.

The cycles depend greatly on which sites are getting the most traffic and how many girls are online on that site at any given moment. There was a period of time when western/US girls couldn't afford to work online anymore and columbians/russians took over 100%. The tipping thing and traffic patterns changed and now US girls could make money but traffic to a site is a huge factor in that as well. Traffic moves around... you can look at total models online on sites and watch that and you'll know how they rank in terms of traffic and how the patterns shift. When live jasmiin isn't being popped up on Manwins networks... that alone is going to have a noticeable impact on model earnings.

that's a good point, i haven't seen a new hot girl on MFC in months, guys who fall in love with the popular girls and dump thousands on them must wake up one day and realize what fools they've been - replacing a guy like that isn't easy, and when you lose the biggest tipper the rest of the fanboys now don't feel so inferior so instead of tipping 100 tokens at a time, they tip 20.

I haven't seen any hot new girls on there either, I just checked and it looks like the same crew.

A lot of these guys have wives or girlfriends so they go on cam sites to see some different tits, if it is all the same girls they might as well just go fuck their wife or gf.

ha - love the sig

Seems like you spend a lot of time watching cams. How much do you spend?

Hopefully, yes..

We have experienced sales drop in some sites like LiveJasmin, Cams.
I would say is their fault and because of their politics for the job.

Streamate have raised !!! - goldshows are a gr8 option so time is not wasted and too do fast money

MyFreeCams - Webcams - XloveCam Sales Steady

I believe the next good thing would be bongaCams !!!
See lots of the member are willing to Tip and the Models seem to have fun.

I dont believe so much that the economy affects.
Everytime I hear talk about recession I wonder why every year our Sales raise.
I believe anyways richer would get richer and poor would be alwasy stay same.

My opinion PIRIOD !!!

Economy & Christmas Saving maybe, gotta stop jerking it for a few months so little timmy gets gifts.

I don't see much change but I'm using Streamate white labels.

Why pay when the girls violate the rules anyways. You are not suppose to get naked in the free arena. You do that in private . You build them up ... Then they get jealous cause an alpha male comes in free chat and you shift gears and talk to the other guy. Then me jealous wants you all to himself ... Then you get the chime that they want private. Bam now your making money. They give too much in free chat and the guys problem get off then log off . It's a free show . On any given night you can watch for free and then it screws it up for the girls that can make money in private. I'm surprised they don't get banned for going against their performer agreement . Just my observation.

Sorry for typos I'm on my phone with clutzy fingers

The cam sites were not designed to just give it up to anyone who just looks at the site. The idea is to get them engaged and want to join and be a member not just troll the free area and leave. More members paying monthly = more money... More curious nonmembers. Nonmembers can purchase a sneak peak or sometimes a sneak peak is free so yea... With the girls violating that and getting drunk on cam... They are dumb as far as business and their beauty gets them nowhere

well the whole idea of the cam buisness is that not to show a teaser and then in private give all? I think the industry is detsroying itself by giving the pussy upfront

Yep the rules to not show in a free arena are put in place for a few reasons. One is to also protect minors who are surfing through . Girls that show and do dildo stuff in a free area not only get guys off for free without joining but they are giving kids an eye full that are not supervised on a computer ( combo of bad parenting and normal curiosity) buttttt the point is why buy the cow if you get the milk for free ? These girls need to learn the art of seduction and to stall because every guy they show just MAY HAVE joined and visited that site repeatedly . Instead it's all horny teens taking a peek n logging off before mom n pops get home.

Totally agree with you

Now we know what you do and why you don't think piracy is ruining the business. you're still in web cams. Are you buying traffic no doubt from pirates?

That would be good for porn. Think about it.

The cam business seems to be going through the same thing the rest of the porn business did over the last several years. The girls are now racing to see who can give away the most for free.

I remember 6-9 months ago the girls on MFC would never use any kind of toys or anything like that. they even said they would get in trouble if the did. The other I day I checked the site out and there was a girl getting throat fucked by a fucking machine in free while another girl drilled herself with a dildo for free. There were 3,000 guys in the room and maybe 2-3 actually tipping.

I only check these sites out on rare occasion when I put up new stuff to promote them so I can't say I am an authority, but from my perspective there are a lot of girls willing to do a whole lot more for a whole lot less than they used to.

You are correct ... That's why they are making it suck because they give free rides. Then the experienced cam models that know how to lure in the members and lock them into that reoccurring monthly bill and hits suffer cause noone wants privates or to join cause they get the service free. Ruining it.

I agreeon the agree also we who are in the cambuisness would make more money if the girls only would tease, and then give... my gf she have made alittle cams, but see that its mutch harder since everyone show all before the signup or going private and its a shame that the cam companys let the girls show all even before going private or bying some credits.

Please explane MR Markham im alittle slow now in the morning fog of Azores

Yes I agree it was totaly different only 6 months ago, now its like they show all to get more viewers, but do they realy get it?

It might deal a mighty blow to the traffic industry that supports the free porn side of the business. While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.

Hit dating and file lockers, then it might be a great move.

If girls are making less, the businesses they work for a re making less. The traffic is moving away from paying over to free shows or cheaper shows. This proves to everyone, who thinks beyond sound bites, traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is.

Yes I guess u have a point, thanks for your input

across the board? I'd say no.

Sorry to break it to you, Currently Sober but like most of my closest peers, I'm earning far more this year than I did last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, etc etc. We're doing great. I encounter this discourse of camming dying out frequently and frankly, I just don't see it. What is happening is that success in camming now requires a long-term strategy. Most chicas will not bank large right out of the gate, and those that are successful need to be able to constantly adapt to changing traffic patterns, customer preferences, new site features, etc.

Those that don't adapt and don't focus on building a sustainable successful business do eventually flounder.

and yes, I live by the theory that traffic is not the goal, paying traffic is

Says it all.

Overall, yes. We have seen a drop on cam sales for our girls. Not only do new girls not make anywhere near the amount the other girls made when they first started 1 - 2 years ago, but the current amounts everyone is making is noticeably lower. Less tipping, less privates, less customers in general on some sites.

The worst was noticed on MFC when they removed the Asian page. They mixed the remaining Asian girls in with all the foreigners and it was a BURTAL blow to the Asian cam girls. Massive decrease on MFC.

So... "cam" = "supporting piracy" now?

You're really too dumb to talk to.

No new cam girls in mfc?

There are more new cam girls per month today than there was before, in all the cam sites! More models than pay members, no site misses models, these knock the door of cam sites to register every day. But more new girls quit after first month as they fail to do money as easy as hoped.

As an user, you do not see new girls in mfc, because there is no new girls in first page from years! But do you know there are other 20+ pages (which is 1000+ girls) if you only browse? No one cares to them
Drama of mfc girls (less on other sites) it is their placement = the camscore, much like google search results placement for webmasters, guys do not browse more than 2 pages of mfc as well as of google results. New girls start in page 5+ at camscore 1000, and most end up camscore 500 = page 10+ after first week, sitting lonely and poor forever.

Why they sit there alone? In the hope one day someone sends a big tip so their camscore go up, to the first page where every model does crazy money, just like winning a lottery. So thousands of models keep MFC open like a facebook, something "you have to keep open like skype, in background", in meantime being in other sites to get private at times, showing its video for free in mfc via splitcam, keeping mfc a traffic success... models self-pirate their own private chats of livejasmin, streamate etc. into mfc! In hope for tip to raise ranking into first page.

Note that girls will not sit with no tips in other sites than mfc as no other site got so big tips in first page (= not easy to copy mfc as new cam site). We adapted to mfc business model by launch tubecamgirl.com in 2011 and I have to say it works; girls show free and someone send tips... but if no tips the girls quit (as we got no win-lottery tips in first page, we are just one page all site!). Most new cam sites are freemium approach. But we and others would not do this, if mfc did not existed! But mfc exists. It is same as say "my business model would work if there was no tubes", but tubes exists, so? You adapt rather than be Paul Markhamish "it was better before" vent.

Streamate is the cam whitelabel for 90% of tubes, this should help
It may be true that in general the income per cam girl, average, it dropped, but this is mostly because there are more cam girls, esp. new cam girls who try and quit shortly after, so they made "no money", lowering the average money done. But quite "pro" models esp. those who do shifts in studios and put in many sites in splitcam with good organisation, tends to do ok money. Or few home models who are "pro" and got bf-whale.

But sites do same money: if a cam site had 100 girls doing 10 each in 2010 this is $1000; today got 1000 girls doing $1 each it is still $1000; in general if a cam site fails it got no any girl online, if there's girls online, these are doing money (except in mfc they sit for real free forever, I explained why), so any cam site with models online is doing ok, believe me

Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong
So your 3 statements:

1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.

2) "If girls are making less, the businesses they work for are making less.". No really, the cam sites can add more cam girls and make same or more. Like a tube site cam add more (stolen) videos to make more money total. In 2008 the big cam sites had 400-500 cam girls online at same time at most, now 1000-1200. Let average income per cam girl be one third, we put 3 times more cam girls online = same money total. Not so easy to do money for every cam girl as it was before, same as for webmasters, or any business like doing t-shirts where in China and India they compete, not as easy as before.

3) "Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is." No no no no. Always someone will get inspired to buy, even on surprise. If whoever will decide to spend money for anything, he will do in the site where he is, in that moment. And not elsewhere. So if you got the whole internet lurking on a free cam site (one of 3000 free users in a caa girl room), you are sure if any of those 3000 will ever decide to spend in cams, will do in this site and not elsewhere. As a bonus you let other sites fail, as they're empty. The main point (of cam business today) is to have most guys in your cam site rather than elsewhere. I see guys to buy first time after 1 year they lurk, nojoke! As somethng happens in their life, or they see a girl they fall in love finally - but they must be in your site in that moment, not elsewhere. There the freemium goes.

It is simply no more super easy to do money as cam girl as before. I remember my first cam sites in 2004 and 2005: for cam girls it was enough to sit there and beg for private in broken english, then in private do clone shows, and this was banking ok. Now the guys are no more so impressed by a naked girl in cam, they want her to be also funny or different, to be online when customer is online so to make a more real friendship and so on. So the clone dumb cam girl who are online rnadomly and don't care to appointments with "friends" can have very bad time today, as it is for the lazy noob affiliate who thinks will be rich by register few domains and put a whitelabel to it and nothing else.

I agree about where to get the traffic, simply we get from where it is. In the past most of our traffic came from pay site member areas, that was golden traffic but also a lot, there was member areas with 1000's of members, now it is hard to find one with 100's - and where it is the new paysites?

About the 300 in cam rooom with 5 guys tipping, this is 3000 with 2 guys tipping really (lol), but anyway shoud it be made clear that: 1) only myfreecams it is banking with tips seriously, all other cam sites still rely mostly on private even if mfc-ized biz model, and 2) the fact some cam site opened to free shows, does not mean this replaces the old way... in fact for example we got old "pay for even see nipple" site chatgf.com still there, unchanged, and added a tubecamgirl.com new site for tips. Streamray kept cams.com and added stripshow.com for freemium. So I agree xlovecam, livejasmin should be kept as is, unchanged, just could add a freemium site with other name, independently, examples are many and I think it is the way to go. In fact to mfc-ize an old style site it can result in a total fail mix, as self-cannibalizing the clothed girl business (including old style cam girls complaining the next thumbnail is a free dildo drilling show), still not being a success with freemium (big tip elevates ego only in mfc first page...), so that's a cam-site suicide finally, to create a smaller-mfc who also don't get privates...

To sum on the topic "Are cam girls making less these days?", then my answer it is:

In average, yes, because there are more cam girls and trend it is more and more girls try go to in cams, even if most will give up after a short try as too hard for them to do money they hoped (especially westerns).

Case by case: there was never cam girls doing as much as $50,000 a month as some top mfc cam girls are doing now - but they are few dozens in the world only, it is the same to say it is easier to do money in internet today than before, because Zuckerberg made money with facebook. How many zuckenberg here, does it counts as example for average joe - or top mfc girl count for average cam-jane?
At the same time, there was never cam girls doing as low as $100 per month for 8 hours a day shift as some do now (new ones who try then quit). Because more competition, more skills needed and so on - it is not an easy or sure job. A random lazy cam girl who is online at random times from home while watching TV and feeding her dog is not likely banking in cams anytime soon

Are you PM fake nick my god tone down the text a bit

I dont even have to log in to chaturbate and I get all I need.

Recently someone was saying it was new girls who didn't know better, now someone is saying there's no new girls, then you say this.

Paint me confused.

Did you see Barry's post about buying traffic from where traffic is?

Paul have you ever thought/tried setting up a few girls on some of the bigger sites?

Im too Lazy ....
I only read short to the point posts

JesseQuinn - Barry-xlovecam agree with you

Agreed. Doesn't mean I have to like it. If it's a pissing contest. I'm old enough to remember when I could spend $500 and make $6,000.

Good point.

If your business model is reliant on that, you would go broke.

good girls have always been gold dust, in any form of porn.

As I said doesn't mean I have to like it.

If the freecams grow, then it might hit paid cams.

I just hate piracy and any form of it. IMO this industry is a shadow of what it was, cams will never fill the gap and paid dating sites will suffer soon

No.

Let me explain how I arrive at my conclusions about this business.

I don't go on what people post on boards. I look around to see a wider picture, this is what I know about cams.

Big cams studios I knew in Prague and Brno are closed.
Few girls who leave cams and come over to this side went back when we were shooting. Today it should be the opposite.
Few agents would refer girls to cam sites. Today they should be sending them in droves.
When people like Barry and probably Squealer ask me to set up a cam studio with my own money, I wonder why they don't invest in one themselves. Or even need me. According to many I have little skills to offer.
I knew the big cam operation just outside Amsterdam and some of the girls, it. It did very well back in the day. Then moved to a villa in Bulgaria or Romania and now the owners run a bar or club in Mexico I believe.
There are far too many here moaning about cam sales to take the word of those working or owning them.

The one thing I never suffered from was getting good girls to come for castings, however few were good looking enough or looked teeny enough to fit my needs, this doesn't apply to cams. If a cam girl could earn $500+ a week, studios would have a line of them waiting outside the door ready to work. They would be hanging onto girls already working. $2,000 a month in todays economy is good, 38,000 CZK here is a great wage. MFC wouldn't have a girl working. Can a studio make money with that? 12 cams x 4 girls a day = $96,00. Affiliates wouldn't be moaning, you wouldn't be asking me and they wouldn't be closing. If a small studio could make that money.

Yes I know there are good and bad, maybe there are some girls making $20,000 a month. Some big whales spending that a month on one girl. And maybe it's like the cream on top of the cherry on top of a cake made of bread.

Yes, the 3 girls I know here, have to put in more hours to bring home the same amount of money!!!

I believe it is because the amount of girls doing cam now. So many girls, just like when cameras and hosting and every got cheap, every girl had a website.

It also has to do with the STYLE of webcams. Back in the day you might get a nipple slip or something, now I can watch what I USE to pay for!!!!

I now can Watch for FREE what I USE to pay for!!! had to say it again.....

One small thing also is I think guys do not feel that special connection with one on one as much, several cams are the group tipping system. Before girls would make bank on dudes that fell in love and the cam girl paid attention to him, not the entire group and or 3 other Computers she is trying to work at one time to make a dime!!!

People ask me why I am for 2257.......(reasonable 2257)

This say it all, girls and companys making less money because they show pussy upfront.
This goes out to the companys, tell your bitches to stop flashing so mutch before signup

If all woman stopped doing that ... Sales will increase. Gotta make the guys WANT to see.

Wow, there is some insight for surfers there. I just looked and he is totally right.

As for the rest, it only makes sense. If someone is being paid too much for what they do then competition comes in and evens it out. 50k to sit around in your underwear and masterbate... Seems pretty likely that some people are going to think that is an ok deal.

1) this industry is a shadow of what it was -> I 70% agree -> some companies with many bathrooms and income still exist, and will always exist. Just it is no more a joke for everyone to make money, bit is normal: no any business cheap and easy to start will keep this way for long, online as well as offline; everyone will jump on this "job" (including billion of chinese + billion indians) making it less profitable and increasing barrier to entry. Profitable will be left only what's hard to enter into, such as needs lots of $$ to startup.

2) cams will never fill the gap -> I 100% agree -> Cams it was a niche and will always be a niche. Only a 10% max of the guys in adult sites care to cams, it is a waste to send them all just to cams as 90% will not care to live shows even if these are free. Just this 10% of people who want interaction can't get "copied interaction", even in free shows the model talk with tippers and not to freebies, so this 10% business did not shrinked. What to do with rest of 90% who is happy with a copied dvdrip... I don't know, I may try to sell them dating partners, viagra and enlarge pills, gambling where legal, financial investments (some buy that in tube adverts, forex exchange etc.), guides how to hook girls or so.

3) paid dating sites will suffer soon -> I 110% agree -> in fact dating sites suffer a lot from some time not just in future. On side talk with some dating site reps they also believe in future everyone will find local date with simply free sites such as facebook, plentyoffish. Funny to hear from them. Also some pay dating sites as badoo they give most of the features for free, there is not strict trials, this is like myfreecams for cams. In fact dating sites monetize on its users by advertise to them other stuff (include cams again) or re-submit their profiles to yet other dating sites and so on, like tube sites bounce the users between them.

Bottom line for Paul Markham: a good cam girl is doing today same or more money she was doing in 2005, even she got a little older, while a photo and video content provider it is not, as it is difficult to find buyers who will buy lots, often and paying high enough to get back cost of production - unless you work for those few, too few, with many bathrooms.

We see many girls selling thousands of minutes a month on our end. At $5 a minute each that is some pretty sweet coin.

Agree - and confirm I seen lots xlovecam popunders lately, those red seems lj ones
A cam site must serve traffic to its cam girls/guys constantly, or they quit site. If you got a prerecorded content site, you can leave it with no traffic for a week it is ok, but in our case our "content" would quit us, leaving page empty. For such traffic we can't rely on affiliates only, must buy too. Even traffic it is all booked by other cam sites always, must but it in advance and prepay for like 1-2 months periods...

I support both these comments, as a combining effects on the income generated.

Does anyone have a excellent source (video tutorial or __________) in the art of seducing the cam audience to go from the public area to private. For another project we had a "lead" cam model (now out of the business) offer her fellow cam models some help with some "one on one" sessions giving advice. Suggestions and guidance appreciated

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