FactCheck.org drops their morning after debate zingers (link) - GoFuckYourself.com

seeric · 10-04-2012, 08:37 AM

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/

Zing!!!!!!!!! </dvtimes bitches>

Summary

We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won?t add to the deficit.

Romney again promised to ?not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans? and also to ?lower taxes on middle-income families,? but didn?t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.

Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have ?gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.? That?s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.

Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is ?going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.? Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.

Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won?t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.

Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.

Obama again said he?d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the ?rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.? Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama?s health care law.

Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have ?seen their income come down by $4,300.? That?s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama?s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.

Obama again touted his ?$4 trillion? deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.
Romney sometimes came off as a serial exaggerator. He said ?up to? 20 million might lose health insurance under the new law, citing a Congressional Budget Office study that actually put the likely number who would lose employer-sponsored coverage at between 3 million and 5 million. He said 23 million Americans are ?out of work? when the actual number of jobless is much lower. He claimed half of all college grads this year can?t find work, when, in fact, an AP story said half either were jobless or underemployed. And he again said Obama ?cut? $716 billion from Medicare, a figure that actually reflects a 10-year target for slowing Medicare spending, which will continue to grow.

Read the rest

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/

DWB · 10-04-2012, 08:53 AM

Psychopaths lying?

Didn't see that coming.

Boggles the mind how anyone can follow this stuff and honestly believe one of them is going to save the country and turn it around, creating jobs and wealth along the way. However, I did find it amusing that neither of those shills said a word about the Federal Reserve and printing money. Bought and paid for.

seeric · 10-04-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Psychopaths lying?

Didn't see that coming.

Boggles the mind how anyone can follow this stuff and honestly believe one of them is going to save the country and turn it around, creating jobs and wealth along the way. However, I did find it amusing that neither of those shills said a word about the Federal Reserve and printing money. Bought and paid for.

Agreed. No one wins a debate. One of them just does a better job lying.

sperbonzo · 10-04-2012, 09:10 AM

I'm reposting this from your other thread....

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms. Also, Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Ph.D. is the Director of the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Jamieson's newest book entitled “Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment” is a hit piece against the Conservative voices in the media on television, radio, and in print. View the book’s Table of Contents: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/echochamber

Seriously? How can anyone interested in journalistic integrity, from either side, condone this being sold as an "objective source"?

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DWB · 10-04-2012, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric

Agreed. No one wins a debate. One of them just does a better job lying.

That is perfectly said.

10-04-2012, 08:37 AM	#1
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	FactCheck.org drops their morning after debate zingers (link) http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/ Zing!!!!!!!!! </dvtimes bitches> Summary We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney. Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won?t add to the deficit. Romney again promised to ?not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans? and also to ?lower taxes on middle-income families,? but didn?t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit. Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have ?gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.? That?s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending. Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is ?going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.? Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits. Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won?t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million. Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office. Obama again said he?d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the ?rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.? Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama?s health care law. Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have ?seen their income come down by $4,300.? That?s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama?s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation. Obama again touted his ?$4 trillion? deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event. Romney sometimes came off as a serial exaggerator. He said ?up to? 20 million might lose health insurance under the new law, citing a Congressional Budget Office study that actually put the likely number who would lose employer-sponsored coverage at between 3 million and 5 million. He said 23 million Americans are ?out of work? when the actual number of jobless is much lower. He claimed half of all college grads this year can?t find work, when, in fact, an AP story said half either were jobless or underemployed. And he again said Obama ?cut? $716 billion from Medicare, a figure that actually reflects a 10-year target for slowing Medicare spending, which will continue to grow. Read the rest http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/

10-04-2012, 09:10 AM	#4
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	I'm reposting this from your other thread.... The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms. Also, Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Ph.D. is the Director of the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Jamieson's newest book entitled “Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment” is a hit piece against the Conservative voices in the media on television, radio, and in print. View the book’s Table of Contents: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/echochamber Seriously? How can anyone interested in journalistic integrity, from either side, condone this being sold as an "objective source"? ? __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

10-04-2012, 08:53 AM	#2
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Psychopaths lying? Didn't see that coming. Boggles the mind how anyone can follow this stuff and honestly believe one of them is going to save the country and turn it around, creating jobs and wealth along the way. However, I did find it amusing that neither of those shills said a word about the Federal Reserve and printing money. Bought and paid for.