Ask the wealthy to pay a little more

wow man you are fucking wonderful - just ask you!

thanks for dropping in to tell us how fuckin rich you are again faggot

The war cost is still hanging around because we are still there and still spending money. Bush kept it off the books for his entire presidency, but since it is ongoing Obama has added it back on in each of the last four years and it will be there next year and every year until we are out of Afghanistan.

His budgets haven't passed, but there are parts of them that still stand. Money we have already spent or that is spent by law like Social Security etc stands, it is all the extra cuts or spending that he wants to make that don't get passed so in the end he will have a final budget, but all of it may not end up actually getting enacted. A good example of this is Bush's No Child Left Behind. The cost of it was on his budget, but most of it never got funded so the money was actually never spent.

And when there are bright, hard working, energetic, law abiding citizens of this country who become displaced by shifts in the economy, or personal tragedies from poor health, or a simple lack of aptitude... What should we do with them? We used to kill them with war or let them die from plagues. Those options are pretty much done. We will have a large and growing segment of the population comprised of 'extra people' who society does not need. Old people, disabled people, dim people, unlucky people.... And they aren't going to go away. In fact they will eventually be the majority. Automation, technology and cost will always combine to discard more people. Any dip in the overall economy and even more people get discarded.

The simple cost of caring for parents who now live twenty or thirty years beyond what they used to Is crushing for many hard working citizens. As populations grow older and ninety becomes a normal lifespan, most people are having one or two offspring at most and tech continues to reduces the number of people needed. We will have a massive population of extra people. Taking care of the less fortunate and providing a safe, sanitary somewhat comfortable life for them is the responsibility of our society. That means basic healthcare, food, education...not ferraris.

It is a strategic error to talk in terms of screwing the lazy good for nothing 47%... We ought to be talking about finding some way to put the extra people to use and actualising their full potential without denigrating the fact that their potential is less than someone else. Getting the most out of our extra people will go a long way toward fixing this country, and being respectful of them rather than disdainful will come in handy when they become the well armed majority that they almost are already.

his new mercedes has a 600 page manual you know!

Maybe if you didn't have 15k posts you might have some money, and not work at Walmart.

You worked for adult.com, quit or were fired, then worked for Lightspeed I believe, then bunny ranch, then lightspeed I think a 2nd time? now whatever you do.

Basically you are a grunt right?

Agree 100%. Stop big businesses outsourcing to the third world, 10% import tax on non essential goods like food and oil. Take more from the rich, put it into projects with jobs suitable for the poor and problem solved.

Your cost of living goes up, but you solved the problem and in time it will bring down the deficit.

And do what with the money?




A big part of Government spending is employing people, 97% of cuts will result in lost jobs.

And here you see where some of it went. Minte can you tell us where the waste is exactly. What do you produce?

Good thinking. Exempt basic goods, foods and add it to sales tax like how VAT works in Europe. Slap 10% on top of gas guzzling cars, yachts, exec jets, designer clothes. etc.

The problem with you guys is you see all the Government does as free without realising it has to be paid for. So what if a few less of you can fly down to Cancoun and spend your money or buy a Merc. And a few people lose their jobs.

I'll bet some of you still think the "Trickle Down" effects works.

Paul, you are supposed to be here: http://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=54

If you stop the spending. You take food off peoples tables. Some of them your customers. You're thinking is short term. Do you want tax cuts that put your members out of work and stop them buying from your site?

Yes they did. The problem was Bush's level of maths stopped at how much him and his mates earn.

Only 400. Mitt will raise that number. It will mean many more having less, but he doesn't care.

Because it's not in their favour enough already.

Stop coming up with logic. Some idiot will point out countries around the world with Governments who over spent, now forced to cut spending and got massive unemployment. Americans never look across State Lines unless they're off invading somewhere.

And they argue it's not low enough.

Don't fucking ASK them. Let them know the tax code MUST CHANGE.



They're in China.

His theory falls down right at the beginning. Giving the middle class more money to spend would result in more American jobs in the 1950s. Today it will result in more jobs in China.

The world is a far smaller place than it was when I left school and got a job. UK produced loads of goods it sold to the rest of the world. America's rise was based on selling arms in two World Wars. And carried on looking inward for sales of produced goods. We rarely saw an American car in Europe, same goes for many other things. Look at the American products we do see all the time and where America leads. Boeing, Microsoft, Apple and others.

This shows you the way forward. Giving the money to middle class to buy Nike shoes made in an Indian factory or a BMW. Isn't going to boost jobs in the US. Giving the poor money to spend in Ralphs, Wal-Mart, Costco, Safeways will. Trickle up works when people spend the money in their home town far better than trickle down when they spend it in Neiman Marcus.

So you don't have to answer questions based on the truth?

Man up and face it, you don't have an answer.

Real life example of tax cuts for the middle class.

Yesterday I received a check from the UK Tax Office, it was a refund on some of the tax I over paid on my pensions. $400 so no big deal, yet if it was 5% of my taxes or $8,000 a year it would be a whopping hole in the UK tax revenue if applied to everyone on an income that brings taxes up to that level.

$400 tax, yes someone earning $32,000 a year. Would get $400 back a year with a 5% tax cut, which would mean a lot of people losing jobs or more borrowing/debt for the UK.

Now what will I do with my whopping sum of $400? I might buy a new Nokia phone or some more clothes. If every one does the same, the shops might need to employ an extra shop keeper, the ports might have to employ a few more people, but it's so automated the odds are they won't. Truth is the extra spending will be balanced by those who lost their jobs and have no money to spend.

Nokia in the Far East might take on more workers and build more factories. Unlikely because one sale gained is one sale lost.

On the off chance they buy an iPhone, again it will be made in China. Someone who lost a job will not be buying a new iPhone.

So where does this extra spending produce extra jobs or wealth?

This whole philosophy is based back in the 50s and 60s, when Chinese people were starving to death. I dream magazines will come back, you dream of these times coming back.



The fat cats have brained washed you.

at the end of the day raising taxes in so called rich (250k a year isn't rich) even raising taxes on the ultra rich, while it would have more effect still won't solve the problem and making poor people and anyone who doesn't pay income taxes because they don't make enough pay taxes definitely won't help at all since the amount wouldn't add up to much. the idea that if taxes are raised in the higher income brackets, businesses won't hire might be true for smaller to medium businesses but for the huge powerhouses, it makes no difference as there is no need to hire any more people than is needed to create their product or do whatever they need to do.

the problem is government is broken and only works to serve those who fill their pockets via lobbyists, donations and other back room deals. unless you are super rich, you aren't even on their radar of caring. they make sure who gets what contracts and ensures the war machine continues on at huge profits for the companies who supply them. not to mention the financial sector who seems to have a government license to risk it all and when it blows up in their faces, use taxpayer money to make up their losses. until this changes, debt will continue to increase.

The product we sell to Vietnam is not exclusive to them, We have been selling the product all over the world for many years.
The product line is by-pass oil filtration systems. They are fabricated steel oil tanks that run in conjuction with a normal spin-on filter. They do a far superior job of filtering oil. On cars and trucks the oil lasts much longer. Most fleets that use them only have to add oil and change the filter element everfy 25,000 miles. In Vietnam they are used primarily on the fleets of fishing and navy boats and ships.

I am at the office now and just looked. The tank department has 23 people. The tanks are made from US steel,(jobs) We buy welding gases and wire(jobs) to make the tanks. We buy filter elements(jobs hose and fittings(jobs) cardboard packing(jobs). We send them to a local powder coat(shipping jobs) who paint them(jobs). They come back to us after paint and are assembled. From there they are packed in a shipping container(jobs) and trucked to Long Beach(jobs) where longshoreman(jobs) load them on to a ship.

How many jobs do you suspect are created from that one product? But there is more. There are administrative jobs that purchase the materials,schedule
the trucks,expedite the manufacturing,there is insurance documents and finally wire transfers.

This one product line ultimately creates jobs for hundreds of people if not thousands.

I stand corrected.

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Ben, you have been in adult for a long time. If you are so impressed about a Mercedes, it might be time to consider another line of work. There are plenty of webmasters here that own nicer cars than I do.

There are much smarter people than us who have wrestled with this question for decades. And to date there is no solution.

It's going to be very tough for a lot of people. The only thing the human race has going for it is that it is resilient. I wonder how people survive in places like the Sahara or the jungles of south america. Yet they do. And for many the future probably will boil down to basic survival.