More on CNN brainwashing

[ADL Colin]

I have read a lot of "you Americans are being brainwashed by CNN" comments here in the past year.

What are the URLs of some anti-CNN news sources?

[xxxdesign-net]

any news site from other countries will do the job....
canada
England
France
Italy
Germany
Australia
Belgium
Sweden
etc...

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
any news site from other countries will do the job....
canada
England
France
Italy
Germany
Australia
Belgium
Sweden
etc...

Sad but true...

[Fletch XXX]

i dont watch cnn.

[JeremySF]

brainwashed by CNN???? CNN is totally biased to the left....Ted Turner is a hardcore liberal.....didn't he also give the UN like 100 million dollars?

Originally posted by Colin
I have read a lot of "you Americans are being brainwashed by CNN" comments here in the past year.

What are the URLs of some anti-CNN news sources?

[NetRodent]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
any news site from other countries will do the job....
canada
England
France
Italy
Germany
Australia
Belgium
Sweden
etc...

The funny thing is that CTV news seems to have the exact same stories on CNN, except with a bit more focus on Parliment than Congress.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by Colin
I have read a lot of "you Americans are being brainwashed by CNN" comments here in the past year.

What are the URLs of some anti-CNN news sources?

Not being brainwashed is not cool anymore.

Anarchy, marginalism and anti-propaganda is so "déclassé". Just let it go. Don't resist.

This is CNN (Voice of Darth Vader).

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
any news site from other countries will do the job....
canada
England
France
Italy
Germany
Australia
Belgium
Sweden
etc...

What are you claiming is different? For example, the BBC and CNN both often copy the same Reuter's stories.

Coverage at the French news website that I've looked at mentions news stories that I've already seen in American newspapers.

CNN often interviews people that disagree with the official US position.

Give some good examples, please.

[JeremySF]

BBC...CNN.....I follow both, and they're not all that different....

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
(Voice of Darth Vader).

Fuck, that was too funny, man ;-)

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by NetRodent


The funny thing is that CTV news seems to have the exact same stories on CNN, except with a bit more focus on Parliment than Congress.

well... what's important is not the news in itself... but the experts you bring to talk about it....

Dont watch to much of CTV news... watched couple of french/quebec news program... that bring to the table... univeristy professors and experts of this and that... and they say stuff that you'll never hear on CNN.... They seem to have a very moderate and objective view on the subject... they can agrre with some of what Powell say... but bring also some reserves....


As for Ted Turner... is he still at CNN.... also... integrity for journalists is everything.... they will never be told what to talk about on the news... "independent newsroom" ever heard of that...?

[Massivecock]

Originally posted by Colin
I have read a lot of "you Americans are being brainwashed by CNN" comments here in the past year.

What are the URLs of some anti-CNN news sources?

http://www.libertythink.com
http://www.propagandamatrix.com
http://www.rense.com
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.skolnicksreport.com
http://www.humanunderground.com/index.shtml
http://www.projectcensored.org/
http://c0balt.com/index.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.centrexnews.com/
http://www.rumormillnews.com/
http://www.etherzone.com/
http://www.free-market.net/
http://freedomdomain.com/
http://www.disinfo.com/
http://www.jonesreport.com/
http://www.think-aboutit.com/
http://www.drudgereport.com/

[vending_machine]

The news story about Bush "denying" Prince Charles a visit to the US because of his view on the Iraq situation never made it to any US news source that I could find. It was all over European news sources late December.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by Colin




CNN often interviews people that disagree with the official US position.

No the problem with CNN... (which is not totally their fault) is that even democrate in that country are afraid to really say what they want because they know it might not be popular...
Patriotism talk is....
War is...
DEfending your country against evil is....

[vending_machine]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

also... integrity for journalists is everything.... they will never be told what to talk about on the news... "independent newsroom" ever heard of that...?

Most journalists nowadays don't go with what they feel is right, it's all about what sells. Money runs the show. The independant journalist is a dream we have from watching to many movies like The Pelican Brief.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by vending_machine
The news story about Bush "denying" Prince Charles a visit to the US because of his view on the Iraq situation never made it to any US news source that I could find. It was all over European news sources late December.

exactly.... there, s alot of stuff amrican will never hear about on CNN, etc....

when the space shuttle columbia exploded....
First page on a canadian news site... and also talked about on news tv programs...
Is that couple of weeks before the tragedy... the president was advise that the lack of funding (or something like that) would be dangerous for the safety of the astronauts and the shuttle...
It never made it to CNN...

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by vending_machine


Most journalists nowadays don't go with what they feel is right, it's all about what sells. Money runs the show. The independant journalist is a dream we have from watching to many movies like The Pelican Brief.

yeah.. I totally agree.... they can be told to do a story because it will please the audience... it will get ratings....
But journalists wont accept to make a story advantaging the repulicans for exemple because their republican boss told them to do so...

[JeremySF]

gimme a break....so every country's media tells the real story??!??! Euro journalism is totally biased too...not neccessarily on the same issues. I constantly find inaccuracies...

for the truty, check http://www.honestreporting.com/...which uncovers bias globally

[KC]

Originally posted by vending_machine
The news story about Bush "denying" Prince Charles a visit to the US because of his view on the Iraq situation never made it to any US news source that I could find. It was all over European news sources late December.

He's a prince.. Why should the President care what he thinks.. Even his own Prime Minister is in agreement.

Prince Charles should take it up with Tony Blair before he tries to have a sit down with Bush.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by vending_machine


Most journalists nowadays don't go with what they feel is right, it's all about what sells.

Right. And anything that makes the current administration look like fools sells faster than water in the Iraqi desert. Journalists salivate over the chance to publish something that will ruin a politican's life.

Substantiate something of that caliber and it will make their careers.

[NoCarrier]

Taxi drivers should become journalists.

[vending_machine]

Originally posted by JeremySF
gimme a break....so every country's media tells the real story??!??! Euro journalism is totally biased too...not neccessarily on the same issues. I constantly find inaccuracies...

for the truty, check http://www.honestreporting.com/...which uncovers bias globally

No country will report completely unbiased news, that's the way it is, and I realize this. That's why I daily read european sources as well as american sources and generate my own opinion after seeing both sides to each story.

I do know this though, that the TV news that's in Washington state is the most ridiculous piece of shit I've ever heard. They never have anything news worthy to report.

[Big Monkie]

Originally posted by JeremySF
brainwashed by CNN???? CNN is totally biased to the left....Ted Turner is a hardcore liberal.....didn't he also give the UN like 100 million dollars?

If you you are going to post about something at least try to know a little bit about what you are saying. Ted turner no longer owns or runs cnn and hasnt for quite a while. Cnn has been trying hard to emulate the conservatively biased fox news and their ratings of late have nose dived. If they were smart they would bring turner back.
And there is not much question that cnn, which really gained prominence from their coverage of the first gulf war, is itching for another war to cover.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net



yeah.. I totally agree.... they can be told to do a story because it will please the audience... it will get ratings....
But journalists wont accept to make a story advantaging the repulicans for exemple because their republican boss told them to do so...

So all the American news editors are Republicans?

CNN is hardly the guardian of conservativism. Ted Turner who?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by JeremySF
brainwashed by CNN???? CNN is totally biased to the left....Ted Turner is a hardcore liberal.....didn't he also give the UN like 100 million dollars?

Speaking of brainwashed.

[ADL Colin]

Ted Turner is jobless now. Word is that George Bush
thought he was controlling the AOL front-page news
to propagate liberal values and decided to use his pull and get him fired .. errrrr "resigned" is the official word.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by Colin


So all the American news editors are Republicans?

CNN is hardly the guardian of conservativism. Ted Turner who?

I never said so.... CNN is not republican nor democrate....

They are there for the ratings... for the touching stories... etc.


and right now Patriotism is really selling!!
and Patriotism and kick Saddam's ass go well togheter...

[Big Monkie]

Originally posted by Colin


Right. And anything that makes the current administration look like fools sells faster than water in the Iraqi desert. Journalists salivate over the chance to publish something that will ruin a politican's life.

So why has there been almost no coverage of the very real likelihood that bush is a deserter? Why were there 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton dodging the draft while bushs desertion have merited only 49? The "liberal media" stuff is a myth perpetuated by conservatives.

[ADL Colin]

I think there's an overall conservative bias in the media right now anyway. It seems like most of the top politically slanted radio and cable personalities are conservatives.

Limbaugh and O'Reilly are extreme heavyweights.
Seems like every talk radio show I flip to on radio is Republican. Does this spell trouble for the Democratic party?

Who's the Democrat's answer to Limbaugh anyway?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by Colin


Who's the Democrat's answer to Limbaugh anyway?

There is none.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Big Monkie


The "liberal media" stuff is a myth perpetuated by conservatives.

Our posts overlapped. Yup, and they are doing a damned good job at it too. It was probably more true when it was first said.

Just the same as anyone that perpetuates the myth that we are still in a recession -- even though it ended 15 months ago.

In my opinion, both major US parties are pretty damned good at this technique.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


There is none.

They need one.

[titmowse]

http://buzzflash.com

[JeremySF]

Ted Turner only stepped down from the AOL-Time Warner empire like what? Two weeks ago.

Originally posted by Big Monkie


If you you are going to post about something at least try to know a little bit about what you are saying. Ted turner no longer owns or runs cnn and hasnt for quite a while. Cnn has been trying hard to emulate the conservatively biased fox news and their ratings of late have nose dived. If they were smart they would bring turner back.
And there is not much question that cnn, which really gained prominence from their coverage of the first gulf war, is itching for another war to cover.

[vending_machine]

Thought I should further stir up the discussion here, not really on topic though ;)

http://votetoimpeach.org/

[JeremySF]

Classic liberal media bias.....read on....


Dishonest Reporting 'Award' for 2002
Our annual award for the most skewed and biased reporting.



We thank all the HonestReporting members for submitting nominations for this year's Dishonest Reporting "Award". There were many ignoble candidates, and we distilled the list down to the worst offenders.

HonestReporting took many factors into account: Was there a policy of deliberate bias? Were reports based on unreliable sources or no sources at all? Did the reporter or publication refuse to admit its errors?

So without further ado, we regretfully present the Dishonest Reporting Award 2002. "Dishonorable mentions" are listed first (in alphabetical order), followed by the bias champion.

== ASSOCIATED PRESS HEADLINE WRITERS ==

In January 2002, two separate incidents occurred on the same day: 1) A Palestinian terrorist sprayed machine-gun fire on shoppers in downtown Jerusalem, and 2) Israel uncovered a bomb factory in the West Bank, subsequently killing the 4 Hamas terrorists who operated it. In a vile case of "moral equivalency," the Associated Press ran the following headline: "ISRAEL KILLS 4, PALESTINIAN WOUNDS 8".

A few days later, a Palestinian rampaged through central Israel in stolen cars for 3 hours, driving over police, soldiers and pedestrians, before finally being shot. A terribly misleading headline appeared on an Associated Press story (in the Times of London): "PALESTINIAN SHOT DEAD IN TEL AVIV".

Earlier that week, AP delivered another botched headline, in reporting on Israel's incursion into the town of Tulkarem: "ISRAEL TAKES OVER ENTIRE WEST BANK".

Extrapolate from there and you'll get an idea of the bias that AP headline writers were engaging in all year.

==== BBC ====

Last year's winner of the Dishonest Reporting Award received a slew of nominations again this year. Members particularly criticized B BC for being caught altering a quote by White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, substituting the word "terror" with the word "violence" in reference to Palestinians. Does BBC still believe that terror only occurs in the British Isles?

==== CBC ====

Canadian members nominated correspondent Neil MacDonald of the CBC for trying to disprove comments made by Hezbollah's Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, in which he promised to export "martyrdom operations" worldwide. The comments -- reported by journalist Paul Martin -- sparked a Canadian ban on Hezbollah. MacDonald suggested that Martin fabricated the comments -- prompting Martin to file a defamation suit against CBC.

Also in April, CBC devoted three days to intensive broadcasting on the Middle East, presenting documentaries rehashing the 1982 Sabra and Shatilla massacre ("The Accused"), glorifying Arafat ("Arafat: The Struggle for Palestine"), a personal profile of a homicide bomber ("Suicide As a Weapon"), and showing aggressive Israeli military actions against Palestinians ("The Ugly War: Israel Undercover"). The films were accompanied by the "Counterspin" talk show that gave forum to anti-Israel voices.

==== CNN ====

In May, HonestReporting members took CNN to task for originally giving more airtime to the family of a suicide bomber, than to the Israeli victims' family. Resentment built up more after founder Ted Turner equated Israeli security measures with Palestinian terror. Israeli satellite TV companies nearly dropped the network in favor of Fox News, and CNN instituted some sweeping editorial changes. The New York Times cited HonestReporting for its role in affecting policy, and the Jerusalem Post reported that "HonestReporting.com readers sent up to 6,000 e-mails a day to CNN executives, effectively paralyzing their internal e-mail system."

==== MSNBC ====

MSNBC ombudsman Dan Fisher wrote that "reporters and producers have been instructed not to use [the term 'terrorism'] in news reports on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict except in direct quotations."

When HonestReporting criticized this bizarre policy, MSNBC columnist Michael Moran wrote that HonestReporting is "aimed at muzzling free speech," and sensationalized that HonestReporting "has urged its subscribers to vent their collective spleen by pelting the accused with angry e-mails demanding that we fall into line, or else."

Calling for journalistic accountability is hardly equated with muzzling free speech, and surely the vast majority of HonestReporting members have non-vented spleens.

MSNBC.com also featured a web log by Eric Alterman, who called the arch-terrorist Marwan Barghouti "the very definition of a freedom fighter," and said that Ariel Sharon is "like Hamas" and is leading the "horrifying spiral of death."

==== NPR ====

Most NPR nominations singled out for censure "The Mideast: A Century in Conflict," a seven-part historical series by Mike Schuster. The October broadcast "whitewashed a history of Arab violence and extremism while attempting to paint Israel as a colonial power," as one member succinctly wrote.

==== NEW YORK TIMES ====

Among the many nominations for the NY Times, an April report by Joel Greenberg stood out. "2 Girls, Divided by War, Joined in Carnage" shocked readers with moral equivalence between Rachel Levy, killed while shopping for the Sabbath, and Ayat al-Akhras, who blew herself up, killing Levy and a security guard. (A Newsweek cover story made the same side-by-side comparison.)

In January 2002, the first woman suicide bomber, Wafa Idris blew herself up on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem. In a gross example of misplaced sympathy, The Times described Idris as "chestnut hair curling past her shoulders... [who] raised doves and adored children." This despite the fact that she had killed or wounded 150 innocent civilians.

==== JOHN PILGER ====

For weeks, outrage poured in from UK, Australia and South African over Pilger's documentary, "Palestine is Still the Issue." In the UK, the documentary aired immediately after Yom Kippur, exacerbating the ill-will. Even Michael Green, chairman of Carlton Television which produced the documentary, called Pilger's show, "factually incorrect, historically incorrect," and a "tragedy for Israel so far as accuracy is concerned."

==== REUTERS ====

Reuters reported on the deportation of two Palestinians to the Gaza Strip, saying that they were "dumped... to fend for themselves." Reuters made no mention of the fact that Israel arranged a family reunion prior to the deportation, and gave them food and bottled water, plus 1000 shekels each for relocation assistance, and that they spent the night comfortably at a Red Cross facility in Gaza. A far cry from "dumped to fend for themselves."

==== GERALDO RIVERA ====

Covering Operation Defensive Wall, Geraldo Rivera told Fox viewers: "When you use tanks and F-16s, and these sledgehammers against thickly populated civilian towns and cities, that's not fighting terrorism. That is inflicting terrorism... I have been a Zionist my entire life. I would die for Israel. But watching the suffering of the Palestinian people, I'm also becoming a Palestinian-ist..." Rivera said he received 18,000 emails in response to his comment.

==== WASHINGTON POST ====

Top Hamas terrorist Nasser Jarrar lost both his legs and an arm last year when a bomb he was making exploded; he then continued to organize suicide bombings. In August, when Israel made a pinpoint strike against Jarrar, the Washington Post published the following distorted headline: "DISABLED MILITANT'S DEFIANT LAST BATTLE: LEGLESS, ONE-ARMED PALESTINIAN DIES SHOOTING." Writer Molly Moore glorified Jarrar as some type of folk hero, referring to his "resilient career," and only in the final paragraph mentioned how Jarrar's bomb-making caused the loss of his own limbs.

[ADL Colin]

So far I would prefer CNN over most such sites.

Average CNN story: "So and so said such and such. Then so and so reacted thus".

Average allegedly "unbiased" news site: "So and so said this because ... (insert opinion on motives here)".

I'd rather read what world leaders say than read someone's opinion about what world leaders say. I can make up my own mind, thanks. If you need someone to think for you I guess there are plenty such sites.

[JeremySF]

I'd rather read oppionated periodicals and editorials that are left or right, because there is no such thing as completely objective journalism. Everyone has a bias. I'd rather they admit up front.

Originally posted by Colin
So far I would prefer CNN over most such sites.

Average CNN story: "So and so said such and such. Then so and so reacted thus".

Average allegedly "unbiased" news site: "So and so said this because ... (insert opinion on motives here)".

I'd rather read what world leaders say than read someone's opinion about what world leaders say. I can make up my own mind, thanks. If you need someone to think for you I guess there are plenty such sites.

[scooby doo as scooby does]

On the Iraqi thing, I use
http://www.baghdaddaily.com

It's not Iraqi (or middle eastern) and seems to use a wider pull to get their stories. You still don't get that much of the Iraqi/Middlle eastern view of all this, but it's much more balanced than CNN, BBC or any of the pseudo state news sites.

[Fletch XXX]

tv itself is brainwashing eh?

turn it off.

turn it off.

[FadeEP]

CNN has become the 4th branch of US government..

[LiveDose]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
any news site from other countries will do the job....
canada
England
France
Italy
Germany
Australia
Belgium
Sweden
etc...

... nice...

[Snake Doctor]

I think a lot of people are confusing the news with the analysis of the news.

The news is simply that, its what happened today.

The president said this
The air force dropped bombs here
There was a car wreck on this intersection
etc
etc
etc

As far as analysis goes, like all of the talking head shows, that's just a matter of whose opinion you tend to agree with.
Buchanan? Press? Hannity? Colmes?
You can also find an unlimited number of webistes with all of their conspiracy theories that will try to twist whatever happened to somehow neatly fit into their worldview.

I will say this, I have noticed a trend to the right as far as talk shows and analysis goes. The conservatives on these "talking head" shows are much more obnoxious with their points of view and tend to belittle those who disagree with them on the air rather than have a healthy debate and see all sides of the issue.
Sean Hannity really pisses me off sometimes with his name calling, and Colmes is such a wimp he never really fires back at him.

The only liberal I've seen on one of these analysis shows that holds his own is Bill Press. Its pretty depressing for those of us that lean to the left. (I would have said Carville can hold his own, but he's even more obnoxious than Hannity, neither of them seem to have an interest in the truth, just in bashing people who disagree with them)

[Randy]

Let me get this straight...
CNN brainwashes?
Whatqabout Fox news with its far right agenda?
Sean Hannity, Bill Oreilly, Brit Hume?
please...cnn is nothing compared to that channel

[ADL Colin]

Lenny,

Why do I always like your posts?

Balanced.

[Massivecock]

Originally posted by FadeEP
CNN has become the 4th branch of US government..

Fox and Cnn.
They have turned to the dark side.
Dark side of the Government.
---
Im sure glad we have some people in the Gov who are still in the Light though!

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Massivecock


Fox and Cnn.
They have turned to the dark side.
Dark side of the Government.
---
Im sure glad we have some people in the Gov who are still in the Light though!

Which is the dark side? The cabinet? The presidency? Congress? The law?

Why are there so many interviews on those channels with people who's views oppose those of the current administration? Were you somehow able to use GFY's "ignore" feature on your television?

[cmexxx]

BBC is great

[UncleJimmy]

A long time ago I read a review on the top 'non-biased' newsrags in the US, and SHOCKINGLY

http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/ was named as one of them... I don't know if it rates as well for lack of bias as it did in the past.


I don't know how much we can really believe from any 'one' source of news, find the far right channel, then find the far left channel....watch them both, then figure it's somewhere in the middle is where the truth lies...

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Colin
I have read a lot of "you Americans are being brainwashed by CNN" comments here in the past year.

What are the URLs of some anti-CNN news sources?

so fucking typical -

that's right - all American are brain-washed....


Geeesh - that gets old.