Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19223907)

I don't know about the whole in house thing. the number of sites that have done that and conversions gone to shit is unnerving.

There was a certain amateur program that I did ok sales with from 2006 to 2010 (when they swapped to in house) and now i've made zero on rebills and am at 1:6k on signups. I can't for the life of me figure out how to convert them now as it feels like they are going 'one for you 10 for us'.

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19223907)

'one for you 10 for us'.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19208024)

Mutt, we use NATS. And Claudia Marie's site gets plenty of traffic. Don't get caught up in that billing processor belief.

Serious affiliates don't give a shit who you process with. They care if the site is good and makes sales and retains.

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19223907)

I don't know about the whole in house thing. the number of sites that have done that and conversions gone to shit is unnerving.

There was a certain amateur program that I did ok sales with from 2006 to 2010 (when they swapped to in house) and now i've made zero on rebills and am at 1:6k on signups. I can't for the life of me figure out how to convert them now as it feels like they are going 'one for you 10 for us'.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19207731)

For the first 6 months of a new paysite it really sucks - as if the 14.5% CCBILL and Epoch take isn't enough you have the 5% holdback being deducted with no return - it's depressing, site is doing decent sales but 20% off the top for credit card processing is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by AdultDesigns (Post 19223966)

Please read the thread:
"Included in this screenshot is our CCBill Paid Program Integration. With this integration, affiliate program owners can now utilize the vast benefits of the NATS software including powerful features such as advanced detailed reporting, numerous pre-built and fully functional adtool types and much more while having CCbill issue their affiliate checks."

You can use nats with ccbill and let ccbill do the payouts as well.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19223974)

Yeah dude, 1:6k. Don't even waste a minute more of your time on that.

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19223976)

So your plan to help Mutt save money is to have him spend money on NATS and retain ccbill :thumbsup

Great thinking - why didn't he think of that himself?

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19223953)

The problem is many sponsors just can't resist putting their hands in that ole cookie jar. When times get tough it's tempting to use your affiliate's share as your bank. And times are certainly tough. I don't hold a switch to Nats against an ethical sponsor but if I notice my conversions skyrocket and rebills fall hard within a year of the switch then I'm bailing and assuming the worst.

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 19223971)

Epoch does not charge any reserve. Zero. Zilche. Nada. And we haven't for years.

No hold back and no security deposit.

So send your primary traffic to Epoch and let those who do charge a reserve take your cascade.


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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19224385)

damn, i never knew that.

grrrrrrrrrrrrr .......... Epoch can run an IPSP without a 5% holdback which means CCBILL *could* as well

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19207950)

Tell that to Venus at Landofvenus.com - now you could say that she has done so well because she is in a niche that hasn't much competition to speak of but I would posit that one of the reasons that site has done well over so many years is because it is not a CCbill program.

All those CCbill solo sites go out of business all the time so why people have a blind allegiance to something that might be prone to failing for the very reason you are complaining about just doesn't make sense at all.