Smart....with ratios like this, I will need advice about it soon. Only 1 ccbill sale from yesterday here.

No problem - I posted a step by step guide on stealing wi-fi yesterday, right HERE in this thread.

HTH x

I'm teaching him the art of magic join links. :1orglaugh

Many here will tell you they are doing well, those with paysites are trying to sell the site.

I am aware of that very wall so I've asked please not to post record month shit stats at my first post.

that might be your problem (for that specific niche)

http://i.imgur.com/nhdnK.png

Rephrase the question

We're seeing the same kind of crap in our serps. Most of the serps for many keywords are filled with keyword squatters and tubes and torrents. No wonder things have slowed down. They come and go and we feel the surges in sales when they go but google's promise to clean up serps was an empty one.

I doubt it is that because I've stopped relying on femdom as keyword long, long ago, after panda hit and fucked me completely. it started in Septmber and these SERPS are much older then that. Beside my main site www.femdomdestiny.com I have 40 blogs out there catching dozen keyphrases and keywords and with that ( I know my niche), conversions were not so bad as they are this month,suddenly. As I've mentioned, Ive talked to several big femdom webmasters and they see the same.

At first that would result in his visitors from search engines numbers, however he said that traffic was pretty much the same. So not this case here.

● The economy sucks. Very few surfers will use their credit cards.

● Google Chrome and Firefox's Ad block plus blocks most advertisements,
pop-ups and pop-unders. The surfer never see's them.

● Smart phones. Not many will pull out their credit card while surfing the net
out in public.

● File lockers / Free sites / Tubes. Why pay for something you can get for free.

WTF. These are factors that were factors month ago. He is talking specifically about september sales drop.

Sure, add those factors and add:

World Economy sinking
HUGE layoffs coming - across public and private sectors
Middle East is about to blow
East Asia is about to blow

If a surfer has a brain he is not spending - other than that its a femdom blackhat attack conspiracy going down.

What has been left out, my lord?

Exactly. All those factors were here before. My traffic is same, from same sources and most of it is SE (organic from dozen blogs). It would be good to hear some of paysite owners here what they have to say if they are sincere. I've talked to two of them and they see the same shit going on.

Yes i agree with that, you need volume to really see changes, well yes you can also see on smaller volume, but it doesnt has the same value... compare 200 sales to 20 sales is not the same...in both you can see variation, but higher is the number, the more relevant will be the analyse (if you do 200 sales and you drop 50 well there might be a problem) ...

I see so many affiliates that contact us and says hey my sales drop 60% yesterday... yes, but from 6 to 2 come on.... you cant over analyse and look very short time period.. at the end you have an average of 6, some days will be 10 some 2.. its pretty normal,

Well it was for example, with our biggest sponsors we push more bigger numbers than that !

I consider myself small affiliate. And I can,feel when sales are not coming into my inbox. beside feeling, there is a simple tool called Nifty Stats, that is merging my overall data together, and it is perfect tools for analysis. This mean that If I compare with any random month before september 2012, I will see twice worse conversions average so I guess it is enough after 5 or 6 years of statistics included. maybe, it is specific niche , but It is (it was) stable. Sure, there were some bad periods before, but they were compensated or created by google panda in my case. this is something different, and I would love that I am wrong.

Thank you for posting that. For me the first 2 weeks of Sept were the best all year but I sure as hell do not think it has anything to do with anything but luck. I do not have enough sales for it to show what is going on with the economy or what was for dinner last night LOL.
I think Roland would agree with us both too. Just how it is.

Things have definitely slowed down, not like pre 2005. Anyway hit me up I think we can work together as femdom does nicely with cuckold traffic.

x3upload(at)hotmail.com

Stealing a car is illegal. Viewing videos on tube sites is not. Thats a silly comparison. But lets say this:

- if wal-mart gave out food you think anyone would buy it?
- if Exxon gave out gas you think anyone would buy it?
- if car dealers gave away free cars you think anyone would buy them?
- if utilities gave out free service you think anyone would pay for it?
- if YOUR host offered you free hosting would you take it or you gonna pay for that too?

society as a whole has a "everything on the net is free" mentality. I mean 90% of the people here are calling the kettle black. How many of you download music and movies off the internet and don't pay a dime or software. How is that any differnt then tube sites stealing video clips.

September is the whackiest month to me. Other months are more easily explained (July-August, summertime; Feb-March, Super Bowl, Winter, etc etc). But with September it's end of summer, Labor Day, back to school, back to work, off to college...now if these trends continue into October THEN I cry foul.

Sales always tank mid-month they have for around 18 months now - I work with dozens of programmes and have access to a lot of data. A lot of people earn less than they did 2 years ago, but still spend as they once earnt, so come the middle of the month they tighten up to see the month out - it's hand to mouth living. It sucks.

A Beautiful, almost poetical post.. :thumbsup

One of these days the economy will turnaround and there will be more credit, bigger paychecks for everyone and the monopoly of one particular search engine will be a distant memory. Unfortunately our grandkids will be in nursing homes by then. We've simply chosen the wrong era to live in. :disgust

I see a lot of the fem-dom stuff heavily pirated, moreso than other niches. Tell your sponsors to hire removeyourcontent or some other means of removing pirated stuff.

I think every porn site member out there (and there are still millions) disagree.

It's not just you.

Just got together with a group of small companies that have sites ranging from the amateur solo model to the non exclusive mainstream ( i.e. POV sites, general hardcore etc). They, including us are all experiencing the same thing. I wont go into who these companies are unless they want to jump in here but they are ok with me sharing some real numbers.

Company 1:

- 9 sites ( 2 of which used to do very well & are still very active)
- 2003-2008 average monthly gross revenue: $96,238

- 2012 average monthly gross revenue : 27,863


Company 2:

- One very popular solo model site
- 2003-2008 average monthly gross revenue: $38,116
- 2012 average monthly gross revenue: 11,908


Company 3:

- 4 total sites ( one very active solo model who used to do well )
- 2003-2008 average monthly gross revenue: $41,328
- 2012 average monthly gross revenue: $6,713


The solo models we spoke to have completely changed their business models because of these incredible declines. The vast majority of their income now comes from live cams, paid shoots in LA and "personal engagements"


And it's not conversion ratios that are suffering. What we saw almost universally is that conversion ratios are better than ever. Traffic has all but vanished. Those with decent sized affiliate programs ( 10k + webmasters ) are seeing traffic from less than 20 of their affiliates regardless of how much time is spent on working with them. And that traffic is minimal compared to what it used to be. The general consensus was that the affiliate programs are now a waste of time and money.

Running a 9 site company on $27,863 monthly gross is nowhere close to a shit ton of money. :2 cents:

When all is said and done the owner could make a much better salary going to work for someone else and forego the aggravations.

Thanks for what I presume to be an honest take. Those were some impressive numbers in past years. The % of decline is hard to look at though not unexpected. I bet the 28k monthly gets eaten up pretty fast. Our 10k$ average is gone before it gets here. :disgust

Do you understand the difference between gross and net?

Like in Hollywood. If someone is offering you net points on a movie they are offering you $0.

Fuck you Paul.

Never pass up an opportunity to glance at yourself in the mirror. Why waste your time and effort when you could be using that time making money somewhere else?

true dat. he's a porn shithouse poet. compliment intended.

Because unlike you. I don't need to work. Now what do you think of them apples? :1orglaugh

After paying affiliates; cc processing; employees; shooting new updates for 9 sites; paying
tax.... there wont be left very much...

I like what you said right here.

When people compare conversion numbers today with conversion numbers of five years ago, they are forgetting one very big thing that has happened over those five years. The Second and Third World are now online. Look at your logs. India, Malaysia, China, Turkey, Pakistan? those countries will now make up a significant portion of traffic. Lumping that traffic in for conversion statistics with North America and Western Europe is going to totally slaughter numbers.

If you break your numbers down and look at your American conversions, your Canadian conversions, your Western Europe conversions? they aren't all that bad at all and are actually quite often on par with what one would see five years ago.

Extraordinary post. How much would you charge to do an analysis for one company? :)

The numbers revealed in this post are staggering - more than a 60% drop in revenue....of course, having said THAT...1/2 million a year a few years ago for a solo model site is AMAZING income, even then even now.

So I sure as fuck hope those websites making that kind of bank way back then (5+ years ago) saved their money, invested it, played it smart....oh wait, coke and whores and parties and Harleys. Never mind.

Well it depends . In my case, most of traffic is US, and EU. Ive noticed several clicks from Iran, but that doesn't bother me, because those people are already killed by government for watching porn. In my case, (niche) things were more or less, steady. Sure, I had panda shit hit but again,conversion were same, small variations. Hey...,someone just bought something while I am tying and made me $35

With all due respect but this is really not saying a whole lot. It just shows a big drop without any more info. Did they change anything in their strategy, did they become lazy, did they neglect their sites, did they stop updating, etc etc. without that info and a better view on the overall situation these numbers are basically worthless.

Name names ;))))

I had a convo about this yesterday with Kenny (kennies pennies), that sponsors ask me why our numbers dropped with them over the years. In 9 out of 10 cases it turns out they stopped getting us content and stopped using the tools we offer. So whose there to blame really? Sure tubes and the economy don't help but god dammit stop being lazy and start working. This is not 2008 anymore, the ratios will never get back to the glory day numbers. Accept it and start working or stfu and go flip burgers.

Ps I'm not saying the above programs are lazy, just wanted to point out something we notice a lot.

Fuck I love this industry :thumbsup

Cheers!

You forgot these ones:

• December 21 2012 is coming
• Nibiru/PlanetX is coming (I'm pissing my pants)
• People is too busy for election day

P.S.: if you are the woman in the avatar you're wonderful

We provide cam plugins for member areas since several years (both erotica and teensex sites, so both softcore and hardcore), and so we can count the different members per month clicking the cam link from those member areas, and we cna do comparisons year by year.
In most cases the drop it is as the examples above, some lost 80% of members really, with a bigger drop in generic teensex/hardcore as those vids type are so widely available in tubes... more than erotica photos (photosets are however widely traded in torrents and filelocker links in forums).
I should note that as Roald said, those programs who did NOT updated their contents, had the biggest drops, some time brutal like 95% drop (approximate lol - some may even dead I did not checked all affiliate member areas so in deail, some may have dead).

What we done about it? As a cam site we reduced priority of cam plugin for member areas, since most of these areas are shrinking or just collapsing; and anyway not so many new programs being launched, except from those big programs who owns a cam site themselves or have deal with usual top 3 cam sites, so unlikely they put our cam plugin.

In other words: total sales we do it is same as "before", we had no drop in sales but still unhappy we had not a growth; however source of sales widely changed: while years ago 50% of new users came from member areas (cam plugin) and this was lots of traffic, today that's like 5% or less: the 95% comes from other sources, especially tubecamgirl.com which is "free" and so we can send skimmed or else tube traffic there, getting some results. Unlikely to get results sending tube traffic to a "2 minutes free but pay to continue" page of any kind, as pre-2008 (more exactly as pre-2007, I seen a drop after 2006 myself).

Company 4:

1999: $618 billion value
2012: $225 billion value

Company 5:

1997: $3 billion value
2012: $620 billion value

Moral? Things change.