So Is this The Movie They Are Freaking Out About in Middle east

[mromro]

Is this the movie? Looks kind of funny to me
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qmodV...r=1347679 767

[Bill8]

Yes, that is supposedly the one - tho there is one that is 14 minutes long, subtutled in arabic.

It appears to be a series of mashed together scenes, not really a trailer, or a cut from the movie - if the movie exists in a finsihed form, the rumor is it doesn't, that the film producer collected 5mil to make a movie, in what may have been a fraud. This rumor is unconfirmed.

BoingBoing has bveen doing great curation on this video.

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/14/mid...aking-the.html

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/14/mor...-media-fo.html

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/14/mor...-media-fo.html

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/14/man...innocence.html



and more

and this

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...=Cheat%20Sheet

[Bill8]

Its a ridiculously bad movie. However, it does portray some behaviors reported of the mohammed from various unsympathetic but not necessarily untrue histories and biographys.

Even sympathetic historys have to conetnd with the fact that mohammed started out as a kind of bandit warlord who spread islam by the sword, a conquerer uniting a grpoup of desert tribes and leading them as soldiers against a string of towns and then cities.

I imagine such histories are forbidden in the middle east.

I remember being somewhat surprised at the histories. Islam can be very pretty and noble, but, it was created at swordpoint.

So was the christian church after constantine, to point out the corollary.

[mromro]

After researching the subject I've come to the conclusion that Islam is not a religion but a political ideology.

[BIGTYMER]

The Muslims sure handle issues well.

[Bill8]

Boingboing innocence of muslims - the complete links.

http://boingboing.net/tag/innocence-of-muslims

lol

Report: Mysterious gentleman behind Anti-Muhammad movie an ex-meth cook

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/13/rep...ntleman-b.html

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by mromro

After researching the subject I've come to the conclusion that Islam is not a religion but a political ideology.

yeah I remember you saying that before.

you are of course wrong, but, it is of course pointless to discuss anything that requires complex thinking with you.

still, as far as I'm concerned, you can get right on with your business of killing muslims, or whatever it is you want to do. go for it. kill away.

oh right, i forget, you are way too big of a pussy to actually get your hands bloody yourself. you want some giant government to do your killing for you while you sit on some couch somehwere.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mromro

After researching the subject I've come to the conclusion that Islam is not a religion but a political ideology.

So is every religion. Read up on accent Greece they were the first to cash in on using the gods to collect cash from the followers. Every religion since then has been about nothing more than either controlling people or collecting cash.

[Radical Bucks]

We need Hilter to get rid of Muslims and Jews ha ha ha ha

Then we can have world peace

[Bill8]

oddly enough, what hitler proved was that it's very hard to exterminate populations. decimation is not that hard but extermination is logistically close to impossible.

whats happened in africa the last 30 years shows us that the most effective way to wipe out large populations is light infantry against unarmed populations, and just lots of hand-to-hand killing.

even neutron bombs ultimately leave huge amounts of any population unkilled.

tailored diseases probably would not work for long - take out a few cities, but, biowarfare is a lot harder than fiction makes it out to be.

it's hard to say how many millions you'd have to kill to effectively steal the oil. 50 million I think. 15 perfect of the population.

economic warfare and logistics warfare would be more effective.

we wanted the petrodollar empire and their oil, we have to expect both our blood and theirs will be spilled to get our way.

[Paul Markham]

If the Life of Brian was a book written in the 16th Century, the writers would of been burned at the stake.

Islam is 400 years younger than Christianity and the leaders have a bigger agenda than just religion. They want to unite the Muslims under one banner lie the EU or US or old USSR.

[mromro]

Originally Posted by Bill8

yeah I remember you saying that before.

you are of course wrong, but, it is of course pointless to discuss anything that requires complex thinking with you.

still, as far as I'm concerned, you can get right on with your business of killing muslims, or whatever it is you want to do. go for it. kill away.

oh right, i forget, you are way too big of a pussy to actually get your hands bloody yourself. you want some giant government to do your killing for you while you sit on some couch somehwere.

Wow. The facts are the facts. Islam is a political ideology. Christianity, judaism, buddhism and other religions are spiritual and say not to be concerned with the rulers of this world for gods kingdom is spiritual.

Islam is a political ideology and should be treated as such. To think it is a religion is just plain stupidity and a lack of intelligence.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by mromro

Wow. The facts are the facts. Islam is a political ideology. Christianity, judaism, buddhism and other religions are spiritual and say not to be concerned with the rulers of this world for gods kingdom is spiritual.

Islam is a political ideology and should be treated as such. To think it is a religion is just plain stupidity and a lack of intelligence.

Buddhism is a kind of religion, more of a spiritual path...The rest you mentioned are more ideological in their present forms. Islam is a religion and a way of life. The current strife we see in the world is brought upon us because Christians and Jews wish to dominate the world, control the world, profit from your blood, sweat and tears and suck the life right out of you.

I have lived in Muslim countries, dated and married a Muslim woman and dated many other Muslim women. I can tell you in nearly 30 years I have never heard a single Muslim trash Christianity and even Judaism they way Christians and Jews trash Islam. I mean never.

Shinto, in Japan is 3,000 years old. As I grow older and somewhat smarter I am drawn to Shino at the end of the day. A very peaceful and loving place.

What you can not handle, is the truth. Sad, but there you are.

[topsiteking]

[BlackCrayon]

they're just worked up morons who never even saw what they are 'protesting' against. their brains need to evolve to the point where they don't want to burn and kill everything that pisses them off.

[adult-help]

this is insane!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

they're just worked up morons who never even saw what they are 'protesting' against. their brains need to evolve to the point where they don't want to burn and kill everything that pisses them off.

Some have little idea of the real situation.

There is a huge political/religious agenda behind this, in Islam countries the two are so intertwined it's the same thing. The ultimate agenda is one giant Islamic Nation ruled by a council. It's aim is combine all under one leadership. The Muslim Brotherhood has this aim. The Ottoman Empire was trying to do it. The problem will it be Shiite or Sunni led?

US armed the Mujahideen. The NATO forces are now being shot by these arms and the fighters. With hindsight it would of been best left to the Russians to deal with.

No need to tell you the fuck up that Iran was for the West. We now know.

Or Iraq.

The West rejoiced when the Egyptian rebels threw out the ruler. Then voted in a Muslim Brotherhood leader.

The West backed the Libyan rebels, who are now shooting each other and US officials.

We are backing the Syrian rebels and they will be do exactly the same.

No need to tell you the fuck up Israel was either. Would of been best to leave the Jews in Europe, Russia and America to create what Israel has since it was given to them. Ye sI know it's their home land, given to them by God and all the blah blah. Truth is they stole it in the first place. AND it's not worth WW3.

If you disagree, go do some research and see what pops up on my opinion. Or just watch the news.

[Captain Kawaii]

I agree with most except for:

"There is a huge political/religious agenda behind this, in Islam countries the two are so intertwined it's the same thing. The ultimate agenda is one giant Islamic Nation ruled by a council. It's aim is combine all under one leadership. The Muslim Brotherhood has this aim. The Ottoman Empire was trying to do it. The problem will it be Shiite or Sunni led?"

The Turks are disliked about as much as the Saudis are. No love in Muslim world for Ottomans.

The goal is never to be one mind, one leader. It can never be that. The goal is for Islamic countries to be free and autonomous and outside of US/Israel zone of trouble making for individual countries. There are too many sects and groups for a 1 nation concept to take hold.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I agree with most except for:

"There is a huge political/religious agenda behind this, in Islam countries the two are so intertwined it's the same thing. The ultimate agenda is one giant Islamic Nation ruled by a council. It's aim is combine all under one leadership. The Muslim Brotherhood has this aim. The Ottoman Empire was trying to do it. The problem will it be Shiite or Sunni led?"

The Turks are disliked about as much as the Saudis are. No love in Muslim world for Ottomans.

The goal is never to be one mind, one leader. It can never be that. The goal is for Islamic countries to be free and autonomous and outside of US/Israel zone of trouble making for individual countries. There are too many sects and groups for a 1 nation concept to take hold.

I never said they had any hope of doing it, as they are still tribal, but the aim by some is one nation. The people who are behind the riots have this goal. Maybe the Islamic Terrorists as well.

Don't think like a 21st century Westerner. Think like a Muslim still living in the past. Or think like a 15-16th century Christian Pope. Get what some are driving at? It's not my theory, it's Arab observers saying this and me repeating it here.

Why are the Ottomans hated?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by mromro

Wow. The facts are the facts. Islam is a political ideology. Christianity, judaism, buddhism and other religions are spiritual and say not to be concerned with the rulers of this world for gods kingdom is spiritual.

Islam is a political ideology and should be treated as such. To think it is a religion is just plain stupidity and a lack of intelligence.

sorry, you cant defend that premise, and simply repeating it is a demonstration that you have no clue how to argue your point.

I'm sure in your circles repeating a statement without demonstrating why it's true is considered the height of intellectual rigor and cleverness.

All religions make political statements and try to control social behaviors for their own benefit. "Kill them all - god will know his own" - recognize that quote?

We wouldn't be christians if it wasn't for mediterrean swords conquering klling and converting the northern europeans, as an example.

The only way you can claim that force and politics does not play a role in our favorite religions is to selectively edit out their history and to selectively edit the books.

mohammed was a warlord, and in that way was different from the supposed figure of yeshuah, but, the religion of yeshuah died, if yeshuah was a real figure, only the religion of constantine survived. And, for example, there is good reason to argue that yeshuah was actually a zealot, part of a cult of assassins. And many other figures whose stories were mixed into the jesus story were clearly militants and killers themsilves - and unlike yeshuah, they can actually be said to have really existed, as historical persons.

religion is not pretty, religious history is the history of blood, and only the ignorant and the self-deluded think otherwise.

anyway, I'd be curious to see what your "studies" tell you to say about islam. make an argument if you have one.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

they're just worked up morons who never even saw what they are 'protesting' against. their brains need to evolve to the point where they don't want to burn and kill everything that pisses them off.

many supposedly did see it, the video was played on local tv stations all over the middle east, and a subtitled version is spreading everywhere, from phone to phone.

and it's message is simple enough to spread by word of mouth.