11 years after 9/11 there are still morons who think that Boeing crashed into the Pentagon

re: wtc

~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.

horrible, but dark smoke so strange in this issue...

Are we really going to hash this out every September?

This is some of the dumbest dribble I've read in a long time. This plane crash was unlike any other plane crash in history, and it crashed into one of the biggest buildings in the world. It's not one building, but rings of buildings. It was massive.

Vertical shear? A fucking 200 ton airplane smashed into a large concrete building and instantly fucking exploded. Don't look at it as a thirty foot wide body that should leave a neat and tidy hole; It fucking exploded and destroyed floors above the impact. And just because the plane crashed at "ground level" doesn't mean it stayed level at the moment of impact. My guess was that the plane the building and instantly aimed up - not down.

Clearly that's exactly what happened. As the entire world shifted it's attention from NYC to the Pentagon, they just pulled up in trucks and dropped airplane parts.

I love people with fake nicks. For all GFY knows, your fake nick is really my fake nick and I'm just debating with myself.

I swear to god you fucking idiots ate lead paint when you were kids. Use some common fucking sense here. Why the fuck do you think there is videos of the WTC but none of the Pentagon?

How many tourists pointed their video cameras at the WTC before they fell vs how many tourists go to the Pentagon?

Allow me to help.

A fucking airplane hit it. What in the world makes you think it was anything else? Don't give me stories about angles and vertical shear and the hole wasn't big enough. Obviously the plane could have hit at any angle, we don't need to discuss vertical shear because a plane hit the building and exploded taking out the roof, and the hole was plenty big enough - but when you look at a picture of the damage in the huge building from a distance it makes the damage look small.

When the towers fell, the ground shook to the point that it registered as an earthquake. Two towers nearly fell on a building that had already suffered damage and was on fire for hours. Most likely the entire building was moved completely off it's foundation.

You shouldn't be surprised that Building 7 fell. Instead you should be stunned that more buildings didn't fall.

Because clearly all airline pilots former US Marines who are locked, cocked, and ready to do battle in the cockpit. Airline pilots make hundreds of routine flights a year. When people suddenly stormed the cockpit they didn't have a chance. Use some common sense here - two pilots strapped in flying an airplane were quickly and suddenly attacked from behind. Box cutters or not, they never had a chance. Chances are they were knocked out or beat a pulp before they even knew what was happening.

The thing I can never seem to get a straight answer from any truther on is is the question why. Why would the government do this? Assume Bush and his people masterminded this entire thing and pulled it off. To what gains? Money? They have tons of money. If you say "They made more by using this attack to send us to war" I'm sure there are a ton of ways they could have used various government contracts to make just as much money without risking being put to death if they are caught.

Power? Bush, like any US president, was already the most powerful person in the world. Short of world dictator there is no more powerful position to hold.

So they could pass things like the Patriot Act and control the people? Why? What good does that control give them?

Somebody please explain to me what Bush, or whoever did this, stood to gain from it.

When you look at it from a sheer logical risk vs reward point of view there is no reward worth this risk.

The US military was poised to fight external threats, not internal threats. Prior to 9/11 no one gave much thought to our own commerical planes being used against us.

Each tower took nearly thirty to forty seconds to fall. Keep in mind you saw the top fall. The rest of the building was covered in dust and we never saw it fall.

Landing is complicated. Flying a plane into a large tower is pretty easy really. Even more so when you've had flight training.

You can't compare the fire with Building 7 to any other building unless two large towers fell nearly on top of it, acting like a earthquake, with debris taking out part of the building and perhaps moving it off it's foundation. Add in it was on fire for hours completely unattended, and presto, you have a building that falls.

Simple.

You don't focus security cameras on the buildings themselves, but instead at the points where people pass through. In fact, the one camera that did catch the plane hitting wasn't focused on the building itself but rather an entry point.

They'll tell you it was because they wanted to invade Afghanistan - which makes no fucking sense what so ever. You can point out there is nothing of value in Afghanistan and they'll tell you a story about a pipeline.... Well, 9/11 happened and this imaginary pipeline STILL hasn't been built. In fact, Afghanistan is a lot less stable than now than it was before 9/11.

Anyone think Bush wanted to pass the Patriot Act? Really? Do you honestly believe that the President wanted to pass the Patriot Act to protect the US against terrorism by staging the largest terrorist attack ever?

Who did this? The CIA? The US military? You really think someone gathered up hundreds of people to pull this off and not one person since talked? It put all of the explosives in place, who killed the hundreds of people on the airplanes....

We have eye witness reports of people seeing hijackers taking over airplanes. What the fuck more proof do we need?

Yeah, that's proof of.... A fire. And nothing else.

Now that the dark art of 'False Flag Terror' is too well known, the Elite are having to focus on creating false flag revolutions and civil wars, like in Libya and Syria.

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