Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19185891)

Also very true. It's not as simple as it's been presented here, but the DOING is the important part. Put hours into it, and you learn as you go what works and what doesn't. Sitting on the sidelines is never as fun as being in the game.

Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 19186025)

I know, I can talk about when each store was making 1000 (well my top ten stores), now I have had to learn a lot more and how shit works, I wish I knew now what I did back then because those stores would have been making 6000 each. Hell that was not even how I considered making money back then, it was a bonus lol

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186059)

LOL @ the 2005 checks I saw before ignoring him...

BTW, everyone is telling me in ICQ how childish you are, trying to prove anything with:

"ehhh I posted my checks, now post yours and see who has the biggest EGO, huh".

Seriously, makes you look like a complete idiot. Keep doing that, and a lot of people will trust to hire your non-talented coding scripts.

Just sayin...

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186065)

I don't know what you are posting, maybe someone can quote you...

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186065)

But anyway, last message for you here... I posted today in another thread telling you that I respected what you did with that guy of blogger.. Immediately after you started attacking me... WTF?... really no-sense... If you confused me with another person, just say it (quoted to see) and then we can start over again, dude.

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186065)

Otherwise, stay there in ignore.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19180836)

Mathematics 4 Getting intoe Porn

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 19185629)

So many of you guys miss the point. What Barefootsies is posting is 100% true and doable if you are intelligent and capable. People here do this every day, I've even done it. If you want to naysay by inventing tens of thousands of dollars in unnecessary expenses, you will either never be successful, or you already are and are now afraid of competition :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19185760)

Not talking about shitty content... Maybe that's what you like in YOUR free sites, but not me.

And BTW, if you really know how to market it, you can sell it... :pimp

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19185897)

Correct. I did not post up the entire A-Z blueprint, as I doubt few would. However, the meat is on the bone. To fill in the blanks,... you open up your eyes, do a little research, and use a bit of common sense. :winkwink:

That being said, in the end it comes down to.... there is money to be made if you treat it like a job and put in the hours.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19182208)

I am not faulting your post. However, you are talking about many things that someone doing a start up would not get into. Like hiring webmasters, professional website design, and all of that other stuff.

While all of that could be needed eventually, you do not need it right out of the gate, and you can make money just fine without it. The same can be said for software. I prefer using the higher end software myself, but you do not need that right out of the gate, and there are plenty of low end solutions. The same can be said for cameras. People can get them off eBay, pawn shops, or alike if they wanted to go that route.

Again, I am not saying that if you want to do high end production, your numbers are wrong. What I am talking about here is a start up, which would be done on a minimal budget, and CAN be done.



I did not say naked. There are plenty of fetishes that do not require naked women.



Are these people updating throughout the day, and 4-5 days a week? Are they sending out newsletter emails after every update? Or are they just relying on the psychic powers of their previous customers to know when they do updates? Are their URL or domains on the videos?

Those are just some things that come to mind. I know myself, I have bought clips from a store I found and liked and could not find them later. Why? Because they do not do the things above. The same can be said on some of the niche free sites. I find clips I like all the time, and would be willing to pay for it. But you can't find the source.

I know even now today, there are places I buy from all the time, and have for years, that rarely tell me they have updated. I have to go to the site and check it when I think about it. Maybe once every couple of months they send out an email.

My point is, if you think that I am just going to REMEMBER to check your site weekly for updates, you're insane. Those who effectively market, update, and are consistent still make money. Most of those crying they do not make money are not consistent.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19182554)

There are studios/companies/individuals doing over $5-10k/month. Kiwi can reinforce this fact.

However, those who are, tend to be very involved with their membership base. This is not rocket science, and has been said for years. Those who jump on a cam, answer their members, send them personalized pictures, update often, and market themselves still will make good money regardless of the economy.

If you're just throwing up a single full length clip once a week, and think that C4S traffic is going to drive you $2k/month, then you're fooling yourself. As I said before, anything worth having requires work. If you do not treat this like your full time career/job you can expect to make part timer money.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19186336)

There are experienced guys here who dream of doing this.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19185434)

You're paying too much for talent, or you don't know the amateur market.

We're not talking pros here, we're talking amateurs. Average ModelMayhem amateur rate is $50/hour to take her clothes off ... and hasn't changed in years. I can (and have many times) shoot 3 scenes in an hour without an issue. The math is correct.

If you have doubts, contact an amateur MM model and ask them for nude rates for web work. You'll find my rates are correct, and BF's math is sound on the cost side.

That being said, even if he's being generous on the income side, it's still a profitable model ... especially replicated.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186740)

On a side note for those who dont know myself or Barefootisie I have a great respect for Bare few work harder than him. The best show I ever went to was the weak atl show it became great only because he , Jim Gunn and myself basically had a mini show with in a show and spoke about traffic and production for two days.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186740)

Also you can work as hard as you want if you create a product no one wants then its not going to sell. We see sites come and go all the time. Can people still make money of course they can, examples show up all the time.But you are presenting it as if you work hard, spend almost nothing on talent you will make money. Its not that much of a gimme anymore.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186744)

yeah but they were making 10k to 20k at one time. lol I know people that work very very hard and their money cut in half.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186751)

Thanks man. Appreciate the kind words. That definitely was a great weekend in Atlanta.

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186757)

Nah. I am saying that you can do some research, see what's selling, and can start shooting and making money (or you can skip that step, and just license some content). Clip4sale tells you what is selling on the front page. Not all of it nude. You can view their stores and see what they're doing, this is not complicated in that regard. It does take a few brain cells, and many of the top stores are fully clothed, or only partial nudity.

My point is, there is a market for it. People are buying. You just have to put in the time. You can teach people the SKILL, but you can't give them the WILL to work.

Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 19186766)

unless you're filming in a 3rd world slum surrounded by thugs with machetes i dont know how you're getting models to work so cheap... you must got some good birds in house. prrrrr

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186764)

You have to come visit again. Its more fun arguing over lunch and dinner.

Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 19186766)

unless you're filming in a 3rd world slum surrounded by thugs with machetes i dont know how you're getting models to work so cheap... you must got some good birds in house. prrrrr

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186782)

I am in the process of selling one of my hosting companies for some very nice cabbage. I should have some free time soon, and come down to visit you and Mandy. I will take a much needed vacation once the sale is completed, and then will have to swing by for a visit.

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186788)

Cool then you buy lunch. lol Excellent you have my number :)

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186794)

Actually, I will need to get it again. When I switched over to my new DROID it lost all of my old numbers. I'll have to get your number and put into my GMAIL contacts so it syncs up, then that shit doesn't happen again.

gfygigs /AT/ gmail

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186747)

I would bet most who are claiming they can't make money on adult, if you look into it, or get honest answers, are not putting in the time and treating this like a job. If you work at it full time, you make full time money. Treat it like a paper route, you make beer money.

The life of a webmaster is a boring gig. Same thing day in and day out. Some can do it, some can't.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19186854)

It takes skills and talent + plus hard work these days.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186857)

If that were true, you'd be a millionaire.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19186750)

Ive shot amateur over 300 girls easy for over 12 yrs. Maybe $50 a hour for some art pics not for porn or video unless she is a crack addict or she is lied to that you are going to make her a big star or this is just for your private collection then its used in a site.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19185412)

Great thread, Barefootsies

That's exactly what I'm doing right now. Yes, the top clips4sale stores are making around $15,000-$20,000 per month. It takes around $4,500 per month to crack top 50.

What you should be focused on is to make around $1,000 per month from clips4sale then $2,000-$3,000 per month on membership sites

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 19187581)

I shot a BJ site paying girls from craigslist $200 apiece, a friend volunteered to be the stunt cock, and I borrowed another friends camera. Got a cheap hotel room, shot for 2 weeks, had the site up and billing in another week... No CMS, design I did myself. Made my money back on the 15 scenes within a couple of months, just from my own traffic, review sites, and two affiliates. We're talking like a sale a day here. Never updated the site again, (I have plenty of feeds and members get access to all my sites with one membership). In the time since the site has made it's profit many many times over with a trickle of signups and rebills (without updates remember). I never bothered uploading this stuff to C4S.

Can't live off this site, but it's a piece of a very large puzzle. Really not bad money for 2 hours of work a day for 14 days a couple of years ago.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19187639)

You're missing the point: you had to be in the same room with your friend's naked dick.

:party-smi

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 19187702)

You've never thrown up an Eiffel tower?

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19187705)

I'm afraid to know what that is.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19187792)

eiffel tower 5235 up, 1117 down
A threesome with two guys and a girl, where one guy is hitting it from behind, and the other guy is getting a blow job. The guys are high-fiving over the girl to make the eiffel tower shape.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19187792)

eiffel tower 5235 up, 1117 down
A threesome with two guys and a girl, where one guy is hitting it from behind, and the other guy is getting a blow job. The guys are high-fiving over the girl to make the eiffel tower shape.

Originally Posted by keysync (Post 19188148)

These parts we call that a rotisserie and we don't high five.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19188121)

HA!!! Ok, the last time I did that was with my grandmother.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19180836)

- Get three amateurs willing to get frisky, pay $500.00 for the cost of the shoot (total).
- Mix up your pairings, and get 7-10 scenes total.
- You try and sell each scene (7) a minimum of 50 times in 30 days ($3500.00).
- Split revenue with Clips4Sale ($2100.00/profit month one).
- Open up pay site. You can do this any number of ways to control your expense.
- Get 100 members @ $19.95 - $24.95/month memberships ($1995.00 - 2495.00/month).

Month one $2100.00 + $2495.00 gross profit. Subtract cost of models, hosting, and anything else you blow your money on. Scale accordingly. Tada, you're in the porn business and making more than 90% of GFY.

You're welcome.

:pimp

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 19239840)

Starting a paysite with just 10 scenes of 3 girls?? Not sure if that is a good idea..

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19186747)

I would bet most who are claiming they can't make money on adult, if you look into it, or get honest answers, are not putting in the time and treating this like a job. If you work at it full time, you make full time money. Treat it like a paper route, you make beer money.

The life of a webmaster is a boring gig. Same thing day in and day out. Some can do it, some can't.

:2 cents: