fitty open questions - FUBARRRR

just the phrase 'open question'.. each to their own, bump for them

The samples are far too short for anyone who has not been inside the members area to make a good comment on the content. So unless you can show a selection of full scenes, don't expect anything but the replies. A 30 second edited sample is not even close to base a decent opinion on, so why ask? Other than thinking it was a good excuse to get a lot of praise and some affiliates.

This was my email to you from last night.

Up to you if you want to read constructive comments.

Ha ha Wow, do you have anything to contribute? other than ha ah wow?

What annoys me is that if music were the subject and we were all talking about how an alternative hip hop group all of a sudden decided to add a female vocalist and subsequently started topping the pop charts with dance tracks, the likely response of not just hip hop fans, but also many knowledgeable music fans in general, would be that the band 'sold out'.

Here in this industry, if someone looks at 2012 X-ART and the increased prevalence of hardcore stuff and then compares it to 2010 X-ART (The Dangerous Girl) or 2009 X-ART (Unzipped) and says that they 'sold out', the largely short-sighted masses will quickly cite how X-ART is likely making a shitload more now than they did then and have therefore not 'sold out' but have simply figured out ways to better monetize.

That would all be fine and dandy if it weren't for the fact that now the fashion photographer/artist with a watered down product which lacks the vision it once had now has to compete with 'professional monetizers' who could really care less about the artistry of the product.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while SexArt is not what I personally prefer to watch, I respect it because it represents what is clearly the result of someone's artistic vision and artistic vision is something which the industry sorely lacks. Without it the professional monetizers would prove to be nothing more than modern day alchemists.

Now I haven't actively promoted SexArt but do have a few things up here and there and it does certainly seem like there have been quite a few more MetArt sales coming through since after the launch of SexArt but it also seems like they are always coming through in atypical dollar amounts. So I'm not exactly sure what's selling and where.

If I were to actively market it, though, I would market the vision as much as or more than the product itself in like a lifestyle marketing type of way because, unlike the content, it's something that cannot be pirated.

Disclaimer: I am a former or actual partner/worker of some of the programs mentioned.

Now it is quite funny question is made about sexart.com of metart program, and half the people answering about x-art.com of x-cash program.
Guys first of all: question is about sexart.com and not x-art.com :)

Anyway x-art.com it was was before: beautyisdivine.com , and there was no sex or male actors, it was much like met-art or femjoy (at the time one would have said: he copied met-art, even if the first site of the genre it was domai.com - still online since 1997 and with no any sex).

In fact, beautyisdivine launched x-art, it had success (at least was promoted in every tgp featuring met-art and femjoy stuff), then femjoy launched joymii.com to have own "they fuck but it is art not porn" brand, then met-art launched sexart finally, and I would say with a bigger investment, and involving some real mainstream directors.

Then manwin launched babes.com "The best glamcore site on the net".

Is there some differencies with a bangbros gonzo thing or with a russian teensex thing? The girls (and guys) are not more pretty, you can find same prettyness if searching well even in a casualteensex.com (disclaimer: we provide cams to their program, but was just an example of non glamcore).
A main difference it is: music, moaning, language, in other words, the audio.
Another difference it is: backgrounds, slower motion (up to unrealistic slow, but hey this is art, if you want a real wild life documentary, go gonzo or casual teen sex), and list it can continue.

Someone is impressed by such a style and prefers it to gonzo or casual teen sex one. I would not be sure this is so "new" really, it is same to say, there was no any "pretentiously artistic" porn before. By the way it is porn, just one style of it.

Cam girls are of different styles too. Some cam girl are more gonzo (will jump on toys and say dirty words), while others will play the shy and romantic one who appreciate art and needs so long to just end up naked and will play different music in background, eventually Chopin piano concertos, while wear 1920 styled stuff. Each of these shows will get its different audience, it is called niches. It is still naked people who end up making the viewer horny, so the law will always call it porn, as well as the average person in street.

What is art? guys I got a degree in arts an an arts institute, I have my own paintings on walls of my office, and I am still unsure. Maybe no one of us ever made any art, or everyone of us. Putting the word ART in your brand and domain name, that is legit, does it make the its contents ART? You to decide :)

I think SexArt has more in common with Dorcel than with any of those other sites.

What about Egon Schiele? Koons? Helmut Newton? Ellen von Unwerth? Mapplethorpe? Where'd you get that art degree?

wasn't Ingrid about 20 in the Boigie flicks?

My sentence it is about the average people in the street, and the law. If you don't tell them, previously: this is art, and certify it by show the author in a museum... they just think Schiele it is porn drawing made by some kid or pervert. Try showing Schiele dirty stuff to random people does not know it is Schiele and you don't tell them too.
Years ago I made some web design software, and as sample images in examples there was some Modigliani painting too (it was before 2004 , when a movie about him it was made: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367188/ ), and some teacher wrote me this sample (as well as others with naked angels butts from 1600 italian church painting?) was inappropriate for kids so she could not teach my software in her web design class.
Unless I had provided a version of software with no nude paintings in examples...

could care less who you work for, OR who works for met, sorry... you're not the center of my world. you asked a legitimate question then immediately became confrontational when you didn't get the replies you wanted. I don't see how you could represent any organization on a public forum.

as for met: any letter I would write them would be about fucking the crews over, lying to the crews etc...

FYI: hiring below the line is not an endless world pool like content models. and in the end a good crew is worth more than a content model. :2 cents:

WHAT?? I AM NOT THE CENTER OF YOUR WORLD?

and your comment about fucking crews over? WTF are you even talking about? if you want to lay shit out here, do it. but don't make accusations or insuate shit without backing it up.

Hit it on the nose...WE (SexArt) are truly aiming to produce original content, nothing like any other site has had before. Everyone won't appreciate it, but we don't expect that.

If you want truly original, totally unique content, we have it.

This is just an observation, gleaned from years in the biz in front and behind the camera, from high end glam productions shot on film to the truly amateur shot on tripod type stuff.

I have been working on this thesis that there is a direct inverse correlation between the "hot" and "cold" interaction of the performers in ratio to the amount of production; i.e., the more lighting, the more cameras, camera assistants, the more dollys, cranes, boom mics, grips, etc. standing around to make a scene look "hot" the "colder" the action will be.

It is very rare the reverse is true and a big part of why amateur videos with zero production values oftentimes are way hotter - and I don't mean in a way that appeals only to men either - because that is the single biggest complaint I hear from female viewers about porn in general - the performances are coldly calculating and lack passion's "heat".

That said, I would have to look again but when I looked previously this would have been my critique.

correct answer: I'm sure there is some misunderstanding if any crews feel that there are issues with pay... I'll sure look into that.

(then on your end you don't do shit, BUT it looks like you are a caring rep to the company)

see what I mean, you are deffinitly not the public face met needs :2 cents:

Fukkk uuu!

just tried to singup as x-art affilaite and got this 8 times : Form reCAPTCHA response did not match the challenge string. Hit your browser's BACK button to try again.

what a load of crap...

You know what? Fukkk uuu too!

Have a problem with it????

My advice would be to post a full scene, or movie that we can all see.

All you're getting now is comments from trolls or people who have only seen a trailer.

While many of the comments in this thread hold grains of truth within them I seriously don't think most of you (most - not all) "get it" as to why ErosExotica, XArt, Fellucia Blow, MetArt etc sell.

It is NOT the lighting, or the production values, or the music, or the cameras used, or the editing techniques, or the pacing of the scenes, or the transition effects.....

....ALONE. Yes, all those things are contributing factors and help to enhance the REAL reasons this type of "porn" sells.

TOP 5 REASONS:

1. No anonymous, stunt-cock sex. The performers look like they actually know each other and haven't met 5 minutes before the Director said 'Action'. Believe it or not, having met your lover before you fuck them makes a wee differance in the sex.

2. No talent overexposure. The actresses (not the male talent; sorry guys but only twinks notice the dudes) have not been seen in a hundred hardcore, nasty fuck scenes. In other words, it would be extremely difficult for a Charley Chase or an India Summer (as just a couple examples, no offense meant) to "pull off" a MetArt scene because people have seen them everywhere doing everything.

3. The sex itself does not come across as your standard 3-position bang-a-thon. You know, almost every porn scene on Earth starts with a blowjob, maybe some pussy-licking in reciprication (tho often not), then reverse cowgirl, doggy and missionary, then a pop shot on the face (see below)....how original and thrilling! You can substitute spooning, cowgirl or pile-driving for any of the above "standard" positions but it's almost always three.

4. No Money Shot in the face. Okay, some Fellucia Blow and XArt blowjob scenes end with facials, but generally the "money shot" doesn't happen on a girl who's just recently dismounted some giant pecker pole like an Olympic gymnast.

5. No pain, lotsa gain. Most (again, not all) porn shot today looks like consensual rape, with the girl being hit, spat on, choked, spanked raw, held down as she's pounded endlessly - and of course she's supposed to "love it"! With sites like ErosExotica there's affection, caressing, loving gazes, sensual kissing, and the scariest emotion of all to the sex-addicted, drug-addicted narcissists who populate this Industry - intimacy.

But go ahead, PLEASE continue to not get it so that those of us who do can make a killing while the rest of the adult industry withers and dies. Pretty please?

;) well said

The answer is 16.

And now the cat is out of the bag. You just couldn't keep quiet, huh? :winkwink:

i did, please view 51

best of luck to you.

The answer of everything it is 42

http://okpanico.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/42.jpg

No, Sexart is not like the rest so it remains 16.

Whoa whoa guys...take it easy.
I have to agree with the guys on here that say SexArt is a unique classy type of site.
Obviously it doesn't work for everyone...but that is no reason to hate on it so much.

Jill at MetArt also happens to be one of my favorite affiliates to work with and her passion and loyalty for the company she works for is quite clear after going through this thread...I respect that a lot.
I don't see the big deal in asking her peers on GFY for some constructive criticism...I do it all the time and it's always been so beneficial for me.

I'm not saying anyone here is wrong or right...but Jill is good people, no need to be mean.

Word.

Love working with you too and that's right, 2!!! Not one but 2!! :winkwink:

I see the difference :thumbsup

Fuck the haters!!!

Thanks Dean...coming from you that means alot :)

My intention was to get feedback and whether it's positive or negative, it is all valuable.

There are so many amazing companies in this niche and we respect them all while recognizing there are differences between all of us. The reason we ALL sell so well in this niche is because it IS different and everyone has their own taste which ultimately is somewhat defined by what each of the companies within this niche release.

The retention within our niche is 3-4 times greatear than the industry standard. And the reason is because people are looking for something they haven't been getting from every other suck-bang-blow pornsite.

So the reality is, as Mr. Peabody pointed out, tapping into sales in this niche is golden. And the more educated webmasters are about the products they are promoting, the better they can sell it.

I just spoke with Amnon and I gotta say I was completely mistaken in my comments in fact I have been a member of metart for over 5 years. my apologies, Brian

They are ALL like that. Fuck em all to hell.:321GFY

Sorry, I'm not going to go digging up passwords and scenes so that I can do for free on a message board what I can get paid to do any day of the week. Good luck with your sales.

I can easily see how something like that could happen but I really don't feel as if the ignorant should be the ones who are granted the privilege of deciding where exactly it is that the porn/non-porn line exists. We are the deciders. Fuck them. Definitely an interesting debate, though, that's for sure.

I still can't get over what these two Koons paintings sold for at Christies. Freaking crazy.

Wolfman | Red Butt

So when well known artist does a few hardcore paintings of himself fucking his porn star wife, it's almost universally accepted within the art world as being art whereas that very same art world tends to label the non-hardcore work of photographers like Richard Avery or Bret Michael Nelson as being porn. I think that's fucked up and it really pisses me off. Anyway, Richard Avery has a really great take on labeling.

OK, here?s where I get to vent a bit about the work I create. I wanna keep this simple at to the point.

I get asked a lot if what I do is porn or erotica. Is it art? Is it erotic fashion? I hate labels and I hate being put in a box. I hate when people need to throw a label on something they don?t understand. I hate when people with NO talent, NO vision and NO skills need to project their thoughts onto my work. It?s tough to be an artist when people with all of those NOes drag you down ? though obviously, since you?re a Juliland member, you aren?t one of those bloated sacks of protoplasm.

Everyone these days need to label everything so they can categorize and organize everything. Back the fuck off!

If you wanna label, if you need to label my work? Just call it fun! That?s what I call it and that?s why I do it. Sex, grrls, pussy, tits, naked, nasty, fucking, masturbation, kissing and so on is just that? FUN! My life is all about capturing the fun and having fun with it! We do not call shoots work, we call them playtime for a reason! It?s all about the fun and if it?s not going to be fun then I am NOT showing up! Ask any grrl who works with me. We play, get nasty and make art! Just keep it simple and I think the results speak for themselves.

So, in conclusion? Fuck labels! Fuck stupid people and their lame opinions.ha Fuck me for having too much fun with the best grrls in the world. I win again! Boo ya!

http://richardaveryphoto.com/substance-style/

FYI - As of late July, these guys were looking for international sponsors. Seems like it would be a perfect for SexArt.

http://www.masquerade-society.com/

If you think you might be interested let me know and I'll put you in touch with the owner. I also know of other similar type groups. Here's one in nyc.

http://www.onelegupnyc.com/



You might want to reach out to Violet at Tiny Nibbles as it seems like SexArt would be right up her alley.

As we NYCers say: Um....yah....excuse me? Nevermind....
Then continue on our way....

You continue to push the same old crap JimmyCooper - but you should know better since you're also pushing Mia Magma.

So get your eyes uncrossed, eh?

+1

took me years of shooting on the mainstream and adult side to figure that one out.

So you say the ignorant should not decide; but you also cna't get over the opposite side , so the art critic and galleries, where the above common porn picture get sold for $500,000 because its author, and eventually exposed in a museum.
This is because human brain and society it is made like that. For example why the nipple of Janet Jackson it is so much a bigger deal of the one of a random pornstar, it is still a same nipple. Why in isolated villages of not civilized countries the people go around naked and happy including under 18 children, and can not understand whats wrong with that... but at the same time, the nipple of Janet Jackson it is a big deal in the country who sent the man on the Moon and several robots on Mars?

I wished I can return ignorant, does all this studies and civilization is all useful?
Ok let me be not ignorant and cite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedetto_Croce

Who, already in 1901 so well before any modern art and without knowledge of psychology or Freud's work, "... claimed that art is more important than science or metaphysics, since only the former edifies us. He felt that all we know can be reduced to logical and imaginative knowledge. Art springs from the latter, making it at its heart, pure imagery. All thought is based in part on this, and it precedes all other thought. The task of an artist is then to put forth the perfect image that they can produce for their viewer, since this is what beauty fundamentally is ? the formation of inward, mental images in their ideal state. Our intuition is the basis of forming these concepts within us."

The funny fact of the guy, it is he lists what it is NOT art, and that's a long list - most people think he's outdated and wrong, but well... honestly I think there's something that is is NOT art, whatever it is sold or advertised as art. Simply it should be the people naked in isolated village to decide it too, in my 2 cents opinion.

PS: Hellos to Amnon of met-art if he reads this ever :)

I don't know. Maybe my eyes are fucked up. Take a look at these charts.

http://i.imgur.com/JMSnB.png http://i.imgur.com/HrGi7.png

The one on the left indicates what the mobile redirect cpm by country was during the week I built the Mia Magma site back in February.

On the right is the est. prior month German/All Mobile/Local/Exact searches for the top 20 German babes. Both celebs and porn stars.

Now when you look at the chart on the left, is the $71.75 flashing brightly in neon lights? Or do I need to get that shit checked out?

Seriously, though, I do agree that she's not very attractive, neither is Lena Nitro for that matter, but Gina Wild has been retired for several years, Sexy Cora is dead, and Vivian Schmitt is not only retired but is also heavily searched in other countries. I had also yet to do a celeb focused site at that time and bc Mia was fairly new to porn, I felt she'd see an increase in searches and she is at 9900 now.

With 10 German traffic targeted sites, it was definitely a fun and profitable bubble to ride out. It finally popped last month and my mobile redirect cpms tanked like a motherfucker. It hurt pretty bad, still kind of hurts, but I knew it was a bubble from the start and that the bubble would inevitably pop at some point. And had it not popped until a week later, I'd also still be on the hook for a beginner German class at The New School so whatever.

Speaking of Janet Jackson, I imagine that 'Nippelblitzer' (German for 'wardrobe malfunction' ) is probably one of the coolest words in any language in the world.

I mean, YES, Sexart content CLEARLY is different than X-art, babes, passionhd, etc.

Their trying to make it more like old school "cinema" - the movie-lovers' experience

The way you reacted to some of those "valuable" negative contents was a little childish. Not everyone posting in this thread is trolling. I would have expected a company rep to have thicker skin.

If you want cinematic films you have to get them shot by a film maker and not a photographer, They need to be shot to be edited and directed as a film with some original ideas.


We have been doing this for 7 years.

:thumbsup

A lot more porn scenes should be shot like this. what ever the niche, porn has to look real. not "Shot by numbers"

So why do you continually say there are only 32 (or whatever the number is) of porn poses and you have them in a folder that you show the models as you shoot them?

Isn't that the very definition of shot by numbers?

nope not really. too desensitized to porn now. cant even wank it anymore it's all so dull.

maybe i should try snuff instead?

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Or BBW...? :2 cents:

Maybe the type of person who likes to watch girls getting fucked while being bent over a Le Corbusier sofa and wearing Christian Louboutin stilettos is more apt to spend money than those who prefer to watch girls get fucked on Paul Markham's 40 year old cum stained sofa while wearing cheap lingerie from the Cheryl Ladd collection at J.C. Penney.

Can't be bothered.

I searched and found a few Sexart videos and I must say they hit this niche and style on the button. Great stuff. Far better than what the samples put across. Once you get the whole scene it all suddenly comes together what the site achieves.

Still personally the music could be cut back and the live sound turned up. Just to give over the atmosphere more. Just my tastes though.

Keep up the good work. :thumbsup

Was that on illegal tubes or? :)

I think they were legal.

Can't anyone see how amazing we are? Why cant you all see it ?? LOL
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