Not one thread about Romney's acceptance speech?

[Mutt]

nobody watched? how did he do? nobody has an opinion?

i heard Clint Eastwood was a surprise speaker - so he's now officially The First Grumpy Old White Guy in America?

[adendreams]

Despicable human being. Represents the worst in what America is. And WTF could we really elect a Pres who is a high ranking member of the crazed cult known as the Mormon "Church"?

[MaDalton]

i found Clint Eastwood so embarassing that i had to switch

and Romney makes a lot of promises, i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

[BIGTYMER]

Clint sure mumbled.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i found Clint Eastwood so embarassing that i had to switch

and Romney makes a lot of promises, i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

Look at the budget and unemployment numbers in Wi. since Scott Walker took office. He doesn't have to do anything. Just keep his mouth shut and not scare business owners with the threat of taking more from them. If Walker would've lost the recall this summer,there was no way I would've gone out on the limb for the new building. We have already added more jobs. Salary and direct labor.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Minte

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

Look at the budget and unemployment numbers in Wi. since Scott Walker took office. He doesn't have to do anything. Just keep his mouth shut and not scare business owners with the threat of taking more from them. If Walker would've lost the recall this summer,there was no way I would've gone out on the limb for the new building. We have already added more jobs. Salary and direct labor.

i never make business decisions based on politics - my business is going either good or bad and i base my decisions on that. and 5% tax more or less wouldnt change anything for me.

thats the same with lower taxes for the rich that will "trickle down". why would i hire new people when i dont need them just because my personal income tax just got 5% lower?

i hire new people when i need them and the only tax i may take into consideration is the corporate tax i have to pay.

but what do i know - i am just a smut peddler from socialist eastern europe

[Minte]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i never make business decisions based on politics - my business is going either good or bad and i base my decisions on that. and 5% tax more or less wouldnt change anything for me.

thats the same with lower taxes for the rich that will "trickle down". why would i hire new people when i dont need them just because my personal income tax just got 5% lower?

i hire new people when i need them and the only tax i may take into consideration is the corporate tax i have to pay.

but what do i know - i am just a smut peddler from socialist eastern europe

When you employee hundreds of people and supply them with health, dental, death insurances, 401k benefits, work comp insurance you will fail immediately if you don't factor in what is going on politically.

20 years ago a business like mine could fool around and make 18% margins. Today,you better be on the balls of your feet every moment to make 8%. THe margins aren't there anymore to be sloppy or absorb a bunch of hits.

[CDSmith]

Top NYTimes headline this morning:

Romney Vows to Deliver Country From Economic Travails
By JEFF ZELENY
Mitt Romney asked voters to consider whether their lives had improved over the last four years and urged them not to feel guilty about giving up on President Obama.


There you have it. The great white hope has spoken. Vote accordingly.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Minte

When you employee hundreds of people and supply them with health, dental, death insurances, 401k benefits, work comp insurance you will fail immediately if you don't factor in what is going on politically.

20 years ago a business like mine could fool around and make 18% margins. Today,you better be on the balls of your feet every moment to make 8%. THe margins aren't there anymore to be sloppy or absorb a bunch of hits.

and that has nothing to do with your competition and worldwide economics?

i doubt that anyone nowadays can just fool around, not even Mark Zuckerberg after going public

i used to work for Siemens - 400k employees - i very much doubt they base their decisions on politics (unless they need to bribe governments - but they had to give up on that as well)

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i found Clint Eastwood so embarassing that i had to switch

and Romney makes a lot of promises, i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

His way of creating jobs is to cut taxes on the "job creators". We all know that these job creators would rather buy more speedboats and mansions than raise wages or hire more people.

mitt Romney doesn't have a magnanimous bone in his body. He wants the white house to make his rich friends richer, and let Wall Street keep running wild while the rest of us suck shit. Trust me...that's all he's about. I've never trusted a single word from his mouth.

Maybe Barack Obama isn't doing the best job, but at least he seems sincere.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and that has nothing to do with your competition and worldwide economics?

i doubt that anyone nowadays can just fool around, not even Mark Zuckerberg after going public

i used to work for Siemens - 400k employees - i very much doubt they base their decisions on politics (unless they need to bribe governments - but they had to give up on that as well)

Siemens isn't a small business. They don't follow the rules they make them. The rest of us(the large majority) little guys unfortunately have to follow the rules. We don't need the government to make it even more difficult than competing on a global scale already is.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

You say that as though GM bailout was a success story. You should keep up with the news. GM is headed for bankruptcy again. In affect what Obama did was delayed the inevitable.

[_Richard_]

only thing i saw about Romney yesterday was the article about all the miners who were forced to attend a Romney Political campaign with a loss of wages

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,7736824.story

slick. can't wait for this guy to be making real decisions

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by Minte

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

Look at the budget and unemployment numbers in Wi. since Scott Walker took office. He doesn't have to do anything. Just keep his mouth shut and not scare business owners with the threat of taking more from them. If Walker would've lost the recall this summer,there was no way I would've gone out on the limb for the new building. We have already added more jobs. Salary and direct labor.

yup, Obama signed a bill and put ten stores out of business for me. Thousands of jobs lost in all 50 states.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Dvae

You say that as though GM bailout was a success story. You should keep up with the news. GM is headed for bankruptcy again. In affect what Obama did was delayed the inevitable.

Bush was signing checks on his way out of the White House - would have bailed out GM and the rest just like Obama did and so would have any other person in that position.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Minte

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

How do they plan to this?

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Minte

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

Hear, hear. And the sooner the better.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Minte

When you employee hundreds of people and supply them with health, dental, death insurances, 401k benefits, work comp insurance you will fail immediately if you don't factor in what is going on politically.

20 years ago a business like mine could fool around and make 18% margins. Today,you better be on the balls of your feet every moment to make 8%. THe margins aren't there anymore to be sloppy or absorb a bunch of hits.

Yes I see how. Turn US workers into a uninsured, unprotected and vulnerable and comparable with China. Easier to shift the jobs to China in the first place and not screw around with all that crap.

[grumpy]

He lives in lulaland, promising a country where everybody has a job, good education for all...lol

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Clint Eastwood was god awful. Sounded full retard, could barely say a word without shuddering and didn't say anything. He wants to end the wars yet why the fuck is he at a Republican national convention!!!??!

Let's see how you sound by the time you're 82 years old. You're not that old now and you already sound full retard.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i found Clint Eastwood so embarassing that i had to switch

and Romney makes a lot of promises, i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

It's already been predicted that 12 million jobs will be added in the same time line no matter who sits in the White House. Mitt Romney is just promising something that he can later try to take credit for actually doing nothing. Assuming he can actually get elected ..Which is a much further stretch than 12 million jobs..

12 million jobs is roughly 250k per month & with this shit economy we are already adding 150k, as the economy recovers that number will go up naturally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...s=rss_politics

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Minte

Just not having Obama in office will do wonders for small business owners. There are huge amounts of money sitting in banks just waiting for a favorable business climate to return.

Look at the budget and unemployment numbers in Wi. since Scott Walker took office. He doesn't have to do anything. Just keep his mouth shut and not scare business owners with the threat of taking more from them. If Walker would've lost the recall this summer,there was no way I would've gone out on the limb for the new building. We have already added more jobs. Salary and direct labor.

And Romney in office will bring back a favorable business climate? And instantly all of our problems will be over? And instantly all of the money in banks will suddenly be back in play?

Eight years of a Republican government brought this country to it's fucking knees and brought the United States to it's lowest point in sixty years. Take a good look at what he did in Massachusetts and how he left office with a 34% approval rating.

This is a joke already.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes I see how. Turn US workers into a uninsured, unprotected and vulnerable and comparable with China. Easier to shift the jobs to China in the first place and not screw around with all that crap.

You see how,..what?

We can compete with China in most areas of manufacturing. Automation in the US is exactly as effiecient as it is in all of Asia. It's true,that the amount of true manufacturing positions has decreased due to technology. But there are still a large majority of small businesses that eith can't afford it, or don't actually need it.

What has to happen is that at some point the consumer has to realize that they need to shop somewhere besides Walmart.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Minte

You see how,..what?

We can compete with China in most areas of manufacturing. Automation in the US is exactly as effiecient as it is in all of Asia. It's true,that the amount of true manufacturing positions has decreased due to technology. But there are still a large majority of small businesses that eith can't afford it, or don't actually need it.

What has to happen is that at some point the consumer has to realize that they need to shop somewhere besides Walmart.

The only way to compete with China on manufacturing on a large scale is to be able to compete with their cheap labor. You made a mistake in your post.. you have it reversed.

In the past the key advantage the US had was "WE" were more efficient than the 3rd world labor forces making higher labor cost more worthwhile. Now thanks to ease of transportation & a global economy, the third world (yes I look at China as 3rd world) has caught up to us because it's easy enough to take high tech & build high production manufacturing to their cheaper labor pool.

Out side of niche products that it simply isn't worthwhile to build overseas we can not compete due to their lower costs of labor.

We will never see iPhones or Levi's Jeans made in the US because as a society we have progressed passed a manufacturing based economy and the global market just wont let it happen unless the average American is making 10 times less than current poverty levels.

[madm1k3]

If you make small business choices based on Politics then you are an idiot... sorry but c`mon man.

In BC when the government raised taxes with the HST I never once said fuck it, Im going to shut down my business and cry. It never even occured to me that I should stop trying to make more money because the government was acting irresponsibly. If my response to bad government was to act timid, then I would be broke.

[TurboAngel]

I find it funny people who don't even live in the US wanta bitch.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i found Clint Eastwood so embarassing that i had to switch

and Romney makes a lot of promises, i almost want him to win to see how he creates 12 million jobs out of thin air while he would have let go companies like GM bankrupt just a little while ago

Keep in mind that the "bankruptcy" that Romney spoke of with GM was a STRUCTURED bankruptcy which is exactly what was done anyway after the govt. bailout.

It's not the same kind of "bankruptcy" that we might think of when you hear that word.

And as I said...that's exactly what was done with GM anyway. It had to be done for them to be able to re-negotiate union contracts, vendor contracts, etc.

As for the 12 million jobs...that one is a no-brainer. The energy industry can provide that right now if it's allowed to. The Keystone pipeline will create that (and all the businesses that will spring up around it).

Also, one of the oil companies just found more oil than all of the middle east combined up in Alaska.

Right now in North Dakota the economy is ROARING like never before. All the strippers are going up there because they are making thousands of dollars a night dancing. There is a shortage of places to stay and you can't find a hotel room that is vacant.
Why? Because of oil.

We have a lot of natural resources here in the U.S. that new technologies have discovered. If we can drill for that in a way that isn't harmful to the environment then we can definitely turn this economy around in a hurry.

Then we could stop forcing the oil companies far out at sea where disasters can happen like a couple of years ago as well.

That's where I think Romney is looking to turn the economy around: Energy.

Not only will that create jobs with the energy companies..but new restaurants, stores, bars, car dealerships, will arise to service those workers all over the country.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

the third world (yes I look at China as 3rd world)

I have a friend whose company (he works for an internet security company) sends him to China every 3 months for a 3 month run.

From the pics he showed me when he was home last...and the things he tells me...
The Chinese should be looking at the U.S. as "third world"

[epitome]

The media, including Fox News, is too busy talking about how untruthful Ryan's speech was.

You know it's bad when Fox News is calling you out.

Everybody else is busy talking about how weird Eastwood's dialogue with the imaginary President was and are busy passing around the photo Obama tweeted of him sitting in his cabinet chair with the caption "this seat is taken."

Nobody is even paying attention to Romney himself.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And Romney in office will bring back a favorable business climate? And instantly all of our problems will be over? And instantly all of the money in banks will suddenly be back in play?

Eight years of a Republican government brought this country to it's fucking knees and brought the United States to it's lowest point in sixty years. Take a good look at what he did in Massachusetts and how he left office with a 34% approval rating.

This is a joke already.

Too much sarcasm Rochard. It's not needed with me,

To be clear. What I said ,was that Obama being gone will create a more favorable business climate among the people that actually create the jobs. Having a man in the office that actually has real business experience and is clearly pro-business is exactly what this economy needs.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by madm1k3

If you make small business choices based on Politics then you are an idiot... sorry but c`mon man.

In BC when the government raised taxes with the HST I never once said fuck it, Im going to shut down my business and cry. It never even occured to me that I should stop trying to make more money because the government was acting irresponsibly. If my response to bad government was to act timid, then I would be broke.

How many 8 figures companies do you own and run?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Minte

You see how,..what?

We can compete with China in most areas of manufacturing. Automation in the US is exactly as effiecient as it is in all of Asia. It's true,that the amount of true manufacturing positions has decreased due to technology. But there are still a large majority of small businesses that eith can't afford it, or don't actually need it.

What has to happen is that at some point the consumer has to realize that they need to shop somewhere besides Walmart.

Noted in my calendar as the day I agreed with Minte.

BTW, thank you for keeping jobs in America. Trust me, it will save you headaches in the long run.

My friend just had to switch companies as she was burning out working as VP of Sales for a dental lab that outsourced to the Philippines. Yeah, shit was cheap which is what the doctors wanted, but they also wanted quality and didn't realize that in that situation you choose one of the other, but you're not getting both. She got so tired of getting chewed out by cheap dentists who didn't want to pay for "Made in America" that she moved her career over to managing a dozen practices for a large corporate network.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Minte

How many 8 figures companies do you own and run?

You're not asking me, but I own and run 47 eight figure companies. I'm typing this from my BBJ... I'm on my way to gut and then consolidate three companies in the morning. All in a day's work.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by crockett

The only way to compete with China on manufacturing on a large scale is to be able to compete with their cheap labor. You made a mistake in your post.. you have it reversed.

In the past the key advantage the US had was "WE" were more efficient than the 3rd world labor forces making higher labor cost more worthwhile. Now thanks to ease of transportation & a global economy, the third world (yes I look at China as 3rd world) has caught up to us because it's easy enough to take high tech & build high production manufacturing to their cheaper labor pool.

Out side of niche products that it simply isn't worthwhile to build overseas we can not compete due to their lower costs of labor.

We will never see iPhones or Levi's Jeans made in the US because as a society we have progressed passed a manufacturing based economy and the global market just wont let it happen unless the average American is making 10 times less than current poverty levels.

Automation was the operative word. Factories that want to compete can. My company competes with China all the time. 10 years ago, they beat me 100% of the time. This year,they beat me less than 40% on the work we quoted. We ship product all over the world, including China. Our largest metals customer last year was the federal government of Vietnam.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by epitome

You're not asking me, but I own and run 47 eight figure companies. I'm typing this from my BBJ... I'm on my way to gut and then consolidate three companies in the morning. All in a day's work.

That being said, in the future I will pay much closer attention to what you have to say.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Minte

Our largest metals customer last year was the federal government of Vietnam.

Everybody should think about this for a second.

Asia wants American quality.

America settles for Asian quality.

Never mind the fact that Vietnam borders China and transport would be a lot cheaper from its neighbor.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have a friend whose company (he works for an internet security company) sends him to China every 3 months for a 3 month run.

From the pics he showed me when he was home last...and the things he tells me...
The Chinese should be looking at the U.S. as "third world"

I can take you to a lot of places that manufacture in Ningbo where they have a lathe in a hut. When they finish ,they cart it down to the cousins shop who has a drill press in a tent.

China is catching up. But they still have a ways to go.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Minte

That being said, in the future I will pay much closer attention to what you have to say.

You're really going to be super jealous when I tell you that a second BBJ always flies with me in case the first one breaks down. I haven't figure out what to do if it breaks down in-flight, but I do have a plan for when it happens on the ground.

[Biggy2]

Originally Posted by Minte

How many 8 figures companies do you own and run?

Yes, but unfortunately this is the same man who will be appointing Supreme Court justices and making a boatload of other decisions that matter that is not related to the economy which is scary. I think Romney would provide a boost to the economy in the short term based on what you said, the mere change.

However, being too pro-business is what got us here. Will Romney really police wall street and all the financial engineering that is effectively bad for the rest of us? The truth is, he is a master of financial engineering himself, particularly when it comes to taxes. The short term benefit can easily be traded for long term peril.

No matter which way you slice it, Romney is hard to trust. And the polls show just that, his likeability is incredibly low. As for his plans, he's offered little to no specifics. His campaign recently said they will not be dictated by fact-checkers after people have called his ads on removing the work requirement on welfare patently false. Romney will be great for the rich in this country. As for job creators, I subscribe to the philosophy that people wil make their decisions based upon their business, not politics. If you're rich, and you want to be richer, you're going to try to become richer irregardless of what people tax you.

I'll offer you a prediction: Obama will hit the DNC next week. His speech will re-affirm the economy hasn't been that great, but it's getting better. He will remind people why we got here. He will point out the fact that Romney and Ryan are lying on a lot of shit like Medicare, and it's proven by fact-checkers. He will talk about all of the cuts Ryan wants to do. He will invoke Clinton to remind people of the last prosperous time this country has, and he will tell people the paths are very clear and very different. Romeny wants to cut taxes on the rich and fund it through lower benefits. And he wants to let cuts expire for the rich while leaving them low for everyone else, and cut the deficit in a more sensible manner, while promoting job growth.

I watched half of Romney's speech. I didn't find much substance to it all. If he's going to win independents and swings, he needs more, than to just blame Obama for the economy. The world is doing poorly as a whole, the US is actually doing better than most, and polls have shown most people do not blame Obama for the economy, and the #s are quite telling when people ask if they think they will be better with Mitt v Obama in office (The results are about dead even). Basically, most people don't think either president will do much for them. And I agree with that assessment. I don't think either guy can fix the political gridlock or make everyone's world so much better. One guy can most definitely cut taxes and cut benefits though.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Minte

You see how,..what?

We can compete with China in most areas of manufacturing. Automation in the US is exactly as effiecient as it is in all of Asia. It's true,that the amount of true manufacturing positions has decreased due to technology. But there are still a large majority of small businesses that eith can't afford it, or don't actually need it.

What has to happen is that at some point the consumer has to realize that they need to shop somewhere besides Walmart.

Then why are so many of the goods we buy made overseas? The shoppers choose Walmart because that's all they can afford. Walmart buys from China because it's cheaper.

Originally Posted by crockett

In the past the key advantage the US had was "WE" were more efficient than the 3rd world labor forces making higher labor cost more worthwhile. Now thanks to ease of transportation & a global economy, the third world (yes I look at China as 3rd world) has caught up to us because it's easy enough to take high tech & build high production manufacturing to their cheaper labor pool.

Out side of niche products that it simply isn't worthwhile to build overseas we can not compete due to their lower costs of labor.

I used to be in the dress manufacturing trade. In the 1970s we were competing with clothes that were selling in a wholesalers cheaper than we could produce it in the factory. The car business collapsed because of the price of imports. the porn business collapsed because of the price of online porn. People always buy on price.

For the real truth look at the balance of trade over the last 50 years and then think of how it's going to be reversed.



http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/...ical/gands.txt

Look at the truth and not stories of these mega businessman who have time to waste on GFY.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by epitome

You're really going to be super jealous when I tell you that a second BBJ always flies with me in case the first one breaks down. I haven't figure out what to do if it breaks down in-flight, but I do have a plan for when it happens on the ground.

That's a very nice plane. I will have to quit wasting time here on GFY and get back to work. My citation is way overdue for an upgrade!

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then why are so many of the goods we buy made overseas? The shoppers choose Walmart because that's all they can afford. Walmart buys from China because it's cheaper.




I used to be in the dress manufacturing trade. In the 1970s we were competing with clothes that were selling in a wholesalers cheaper than we could produce it in the factory. The car business collapsed because of the price of imports. the porn business collapsed because of the price of online porn. People always buy on price.

For the real truth look at the balance of trade over the last 50 years and then think of how it's going to be reversed.



http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/...ical/gands.txt

Look at the truth and not stories of these mega businessman who have time to waste on GFY.

Look towards the future Paul. Not the past. China is only a few years out from having to pay their working class the same amounts that we pay in the US. China has been successful building their economy on the backs of US consumers and jobs. Once China catches up to the US in wages, then they will have their own market to sell the products they produce.

To answer your snide remark. There are no mega-businessmen here. There are several small business owners that are here. I am about your age Paul. I have been doing what I do for my entire career. Take it for what it's worth.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Minte

Too much sarcasm Rochard. It's not needed with me,

To be clear. What I said ,was that Obama being gone will create a more favorable business climate among the people that actually create the jobs. Having a man in the office that actually has real business experience and is clearly pro-business is exactly what this economy needs.

So you believe that by removing Obama and replacing him with Romney will create an environment where the general public will feel more confident about the economy so they will pull all of their money out of the bank and hire more people? What non sense is that? Wouldn't it be just the opposite - Business owners will have no idea what the economy will be like under Romney, so they'll stop spending any money at all.

Romney does not give people confidence. He took Massachusetts from 47th place in economic growth to dead last, and at the end of his term as governor there he had a 34% approval rating and ranked 48th out of all 50 governors.

I have doubts in his business experience as well. All he did was borrow money from someone else to buy companies in distress, sell off their assets, toss the rest, and collect management fees in the process. He couldn't loose because it wasn't his money - it was borrowed money. This is exactly what got us into trouble with the housing market in the first place, and this exactly what we do not need in the White House. This is exactly what Trump does - He borrows money to build something, manages the construction and then manages the property, and then when it goes south he walks away with fistfuls of money.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So you believe that by removing Obama and replacing him with Romney will create an environment where the general public will feel more confident about the economy so they will pull all of their money out of the bank and hire more people? What non sense is that? Wouldn't it be just the opposite - Business owners will have no idea what the economy will be like under Romney, so they'll stop spending any money at all.

Romney does not give people confidence. He took Massachusetts from 47th place in economic growth to dead last, and at the end of his term as governor there he had a 34% approval rating and ranked 48th out of all 50 governors.

I have doubts in his business experience as well. All he did was borrow money from someone else to buy companies in distress, sell off their assets, toss the rest, and collect management fees in the process. He couldn't loose because it wasn't his money - it was borrowed money. This is exactly what got us into trouble with the housing market in the first place, and this exactly what we do not need in the White House. This is exactly what Trump does - He borrows money to build something, manages the construction and then manages the property, and then when it goes south he walks away with fistfuls of money.

You really need to learn to read what is written. I said small business people. That group of employers that are the backbone of the economy.

Every day I do business with other small business owners. Do you think we don't talk? Your opinion on who has confidence in this administration is clearly based on a very narrow window of experience. To date,there is not a single person I know that thinks differently from me on this subject.

If you are so in love with the current administration then you should vote for him. I will reserve my vote for someone that I think actually understands and cares about business.
Making a lot of money is not wrong.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Minte

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[Robbie]

Minte is correct. Every small business in Vegas...from the guy who owns Quiznos, to the guy who owns the 24 hour fitness gym that I work out at, to the guy who owns the local bars I go to...are all sitting on their hands until after the election.

And not ONE of them is voting for Obama. They are all voting Romney.

This has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican. This has to do with firing a guy who failed at his job. And hiring a new guy who has had success in every way imaginable.

That feeling of confidence is a big deal to people who own their own business. Including me.
That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. I got all excited and believed all the stuff he said on the campaign trail.

Then I watched in stunned disbelief as the Dems spent the first two years shoving heath care through without working with the republicans at all. Meanwhile the economy sank.

As far as the Bush years go: Most of the Bush years were really, really good ones for the economy.
Bush spent like a drunken sailor and ran up a big debt which was horrible. No disagreement there.

But everybody needs to remember WHAT really caused the economy to crash.
It wasn't "Bush" or his 8 years.

It was the housing market and the bad practices of Fanny & Freddy which were policies put in place by Democrats and Republican congressmen TOGETHER.

That was when the economy collapsed. I know it very well because I closed on my home at the end of Sept. of 2008 for $720,000.00 Two weeks later my home had dropped 1/3 of it's value!!!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Why would anybody vote?

If you think that Mitt Romney is going help you, then I won't be surprised when your business fails miserably

I don't need Mitt Romney's "help".

Neither does anyone else. What is needed is to get govt. to cut spending. And to get govt. to stop hindering businesss and threatening tax hikes and allowing companies to drill for oil to help create jobs, .lower costs and get the economy rolling again. If you don't understand that...then it's obvious that YOU are failing miserably.

As for me failing miserably...that has never, and will never happen.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by Minte

When you employee hundreds of people and supply them with health, dental, death insurances, 401k benefits, work comp insurance you will fail immediately if you don't factor in what is going on politically.

BUSTED.

You're no damn Republican. If you were you'd cut all the benefits and be making 10% margins.

[PornMD]

You know, every single discussion about politics it seems jobs comes up. We lost X amount of jobs...but so-and-so promised we were going to go up X amount of jobs, etc.

The problem is that most people can't live off a single job, and over time I think the ability for the average job to hold someone over has gone way down. Many costs of living have skyrocketed while the average job pay merely inches up for most people, if it even goes up at all. Most people are blind to the fact that even a tiny annual raise in the end means they're losing money because of inflation.

Jobs are not going to be the answer for people if this keeps up. The ability for people to make their own living in some way will be key, but this is almost never the focus - it's always jobs jobs - gotta get that unemployed person a job...even if it's McDonalds and they wouldn't be able to pay half their rent.

Oh yea, and while expecting both parents in a household to have at least 1 job, the children are going to get fucked the most out of this focus on jobs. Take some time off to pump out a couple kids, then get back to work. Fuck raising your children, you need to be produce labor for society.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Minte is correct. Every small business in Vegas...from the guy who owns Quiznos, to the guy who owns the 24 hour fitness gym that I work out at, to the guy who owns the local bars I go to...are all sitting on their hands until after the election.

And not ONE of them is voting for Obama. They are all voting Romney.

This has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican. This has to do with firing a guy who failed at his job. And hiring a new guy who has had success in every way imaginable.

That feeling of confidence is a big deal to people who own their own business. Including me.
That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. I got all excited and believed all the stuff he said on the campaign trail.

Then I watched in stunned disbelief as the Dems spent the first two years shoving heath care through without working with the republicans at all. Meanwhile the economy sank.

As far as the Bush years go: Most of the Bush years were really, really good ones for the economy.
Bush spent like a drunken sailor and ran up a big debt which was horrible. No disagreement there.

But everybody needs to remember WHAT really caused the economy to crash.
It wasn't "Bush" or his 8 years.

It was the housing market and the bad practices of Fanny & Freddy which were policies put in place by Democrats and Republican congressmen TOGETHER.

That was when the economy collapsed. I know it very well because I closed on my home at the end of Sept. of 2008 for $720,000.00 Two weeks later my home had dropped 1/3 of it's value!!!

Complete opposite here. Hiring and housing sales (along with prices) are up. People are optimistic.