Once I quit even Diet soda I lost more weight. I then learned that the stuff in Diet things, makes you MORE hungry!

One should never cut out anything totally, you will FAIL at a diet. What I did was I still go to Texas Road House to eat, but when they bring the rolls instead of eating 7 of them I only eat ONE now.
I lost 43 Pounds or more of FAT in 90 days, with little exercise except the last 30 days.
The reason I said or more, is I lost 43 pounds, but I know I gained muscle also, so I am sure I would of lost more weight (not healthy) if I just cut calories, and didn't eat right!
I also did protein shakes

Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying carbs in the form of grains are given to cows to make them fat?

cows eat grass

that's why they have 4 stomachs, to process it

when they are fed surplus corn that the farmers were subsidised to grow, they actually have to wash the dead cow meat with ammonia to kill the poison that is in the meat after forcing them to eat things they are not designed to eat.

according to Food Inc.

No, grass fed cows eat grass...normal mass produced cows eat corn and grains. grains make cows fat the fastest. Dont you think they have this down to a science. Theyre not going to mass feed cows grass which has such a low caloric value vs corn/grains. Thats why grass fed beef is 2-3x the price. Takes longer and more resources to fatten up the livestock.

They want them muscular I would think. Fat isn't as fun to eat as a nice lean steak.

Thanks for the hot tip. I keep trying new things to try and find something, beyond bland water in volume, to fill that hole. Thus far, I have not found what I seek. As for drinking late at night, I hear you. I am the same way with water, and too close to bed time. I then have to get up 3 times through the night versus a peaceful sleep.

:disgust

Farm Animals Get 80 Percent of Antibiotics Sold in U.S.

Scientists believe about two-thirds of American cattle raised in for slaughter today are injected with hormones to make them grow faster.

They get a little extra growth this way too.

If you are gaining 10 pounds a year at 2000 cal a day, what makes you think 2000 cal a day is right for you? Sounds like you are overeating for what your body needs.

Just because the label says men should get 2000 cal a day does not mean that's what you personally need. I need around 1200-1400 and typically stay in that range without too much trouble. I've done it for so long it's just habit now.

Wow. Cool. So what do they do to these "mass produced" cows to change their natural need and design to eat grass? Are three of the stomachs removed? Do they inject something in them to remove their natural diet and change their metabolism?

Or do the mass produced cows all need to have their carcasses washed in ammonia to get rid of all the poison in there making them eat shit they have not evolved to eat naturally?

Fat is what makes food taste good. See Kobe Beef. (except you can't because all Kobe beef in the US is fake).

Correct, depends on body type, age, activity, types of calories. 1,200 is about right for me for GOOD foods.

1,200 calories from french fries I will prob lose muscle mass and gain fat. Just saying.

Body composition is important. Too much fat bad. Just the right amount good. But cows aren't humans. If fat cows is what we wanted, we would feed them pure sugar. But why are we talking about cows.

I agree that all carbs have a glycemic response and can make you fat. The lower the response the better. But legumes, nuts taken in non outrageous portions can allow you to still lose fat. While, high glycemic carbs turn your body into a fat building machine. That was the entire concept behind atkins. If you have ever done a low carb diet you know you are losing fat, not just water weight, but carbs do make you hold water. I gain 5 lbs during cheat day. Most of it water. All gone in three days.

i LOL'd at a nice lean steak....enjoy your dry crappy tasting cut of meat.

I have a nice ribeye in my refrigerator. :-)

You should try a flank steak. It is delicious and juicy! :thumbsup

Venison steaks are great too! Nobody is fattening them up.

Diets are bullshit.

If you eat, then you are on a diet. Some make you fat, some don't.

The fat makes the meat taste good. The objective is the maximum amount of visceral fat (fat in the muscle) which requires a tuned diet and genetics.

I recommend the movie "Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" to anyone who is fat.

Of course. Prime Rib is awesome, and has lots of fat. But fat cows are not the goal. Cows don't eat one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to get muscular. They are fed grain and shot up with hormones to have the correct body composition of muscle and intramuscular fat for maximum deliciousness and quick growth. But why are we talking about cows again? :winkwink:

Calories in vs calories out is the only thing that matters. It is really that simple.

and we have a winner.

Yep, all those processed sugars and other processed foods nuke your insides.

That's why
is too simplistic. Exercise more? Absolutely. Eat less? It still depends on what you're eating. You may lose weight, but if you're eating a lot of processed stuff, you're still damaging your organs.

Abolutely untrue. I've been doing it for 12 years and can't imagine going back.

Exactly this :thumbsup

Nothing back about this amazing "mass produced" cows that are altered to not naturally eat grass???

Shocker!

I live with someone who had issues with portion control and has had to resort to Lapband because no matter how hard she worked, she just couldn't manage to get her portion sizes down. I kept telling her all along that that was her problem. Now that she has no choice but to control her portions, the weight is pouring off.

6 weeks, post op and she's down 40lbs and has only just recently gone back to working out.

Counting calories, portion control and exercise. This is all you need to focus on.

Not that I'm on to talk. I eat like shit and weight 3 pounds more than I did the day I graduated from high school 18 years ago.

Nothing to argue about damian, its pretty clear that a mass produced grain fed cow has higher fat content than a grass fed cow. Grains are what make you, me, cows, chickens, and everything else FAT

http://www.americangrassfedbeef.com/...tural-beef.asp

Carbs aren't the issue, sugar is.

Sugar IS a carb...

Processed anything is bad for you, but processed sugar is pretty much toxic.

Yes, true. What more I mean is that people are so apt to get rid of bread and such because it's a "carb." Yet the ketchup they would put on that burger with no bun has more sugar per gram than the bread.

I don't agree with any type of diet that eliminates a food group or is any type of fad thing. Eat the right size portions, read what's actually in your food, and workout.

Diet misinformation is rampant everywhere.

1) Calories in vs calories out. This is about half true.
Your body is an engine, and just like anything it can be efficient or it can be inefficient. For example, it's fairly well accepted now that bacteria in the gut can make up about a 10% difference in calorie intake. I'll say that again. Gut bacteria differs, and it can change over a persons lifetime, and in particular it correlates with weight as well. So the skinny person can get about a 10% caloric "bonus" to stay skinny.

As well, certain food products contribute to inefficiency in the gut. This I know less about, but if I recall correctly the example was proteins or fats in milk can bind with other nutrients so they were not digested. I've seen a couple of different webmd articles on this so this is a little more arguable. There's also some talk about vitamin D and OTHER mechanisms around milk so it can be a little confusing.

Another nail in the coffin of calories in vs calories out is metabolism. Current thinking demonstrated (with mice, mind you) that :

Mice restricted to eating within an 8 hour period REGARDLESS OF QUALITY AND CONTENT weighed 28 % less although they ate the same calories and the same high-fat food than their free-feeding brethren who did show adverse health effects such as high blood glucose, liver damage, and diminished motor control. The time restrictied mice also outperformed ad lib eaters and those on a 'normal' diet when given an exercise test.
[Salk institute for biological studies]

In a separate study, mice were caused to gain weight simply by shining a dim light (the scaled size of a tv screen if memory serves) while they were sleeping.

Ok, so now that we've basically proven that every dietician and magazine writer and news anchor doesn't have the full story, anyone can begin to try to sort out the wheat and chaff and realize that modern food is killing you and so called common knowledge is finishing the job.

EDIT: Sorry, I realized that not everyone will be able to make the logical leap here. Once you accept that calories in and calories out CAN be variable with same actual intake, that opens the door to understanding that the content of what one eats can also make a difference. And not the old 'fat makes you fat' malarkey either. Insulin makes you fat. I'll leave the rest to the reader.

Ah, right, that's not really what you said yesterday, is it? :)

You do know that by design cows do not eat grains. And forcing them to eat grains produces problems with the meat that results in the carcus having to be washed in ammonia, amongst many many many other problems.

The issue is the government subsidised farmers to grow corn. Not grass. And because of this they had to feed the cows corn, not grass. Despite the unarguable fact that a cow is designed to eat grass. This has led to massive health problems.

There is no such thing as a mass-produced cow. They are cows. And they have 4 stomachs and they need to eat grass, or else you get loads of problems.

Humans arent meant to eat grains either, its exactly what i said yesterday. A grain fed cow will grow faster than a grass fed cow due to grains being more calorie dense than grass. Caloric Overage = fat/weight gain. the more the overage the more the fat gain.

This is so freaking true. Know who writes the 'food pyramid' for the USDA? Representatives from the Big Food industry. Think those guys give a damn about people's health if it interferes with their profits? As always, follow the money :disgust

Ketchup doesn't have so many carbs...if you put a little on a burger, that doesn't add almost any carbs at all. Defnitely way less than bread.

This is a good thing to do to keep weight...or to lose a little, but for a complete body change, it just isn't enough.

For every gram of protein you take in, your body gets rid of 4 grams of water. That is why with the high protein diet it is mostly water you lose.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh please..

Tell that to my waistline after 12 years of low-carb/high-protein eating. I'm 99.9999999999% sure i didn't lose 40+ pounds of water weight.

If this idea was true, i'd be dust by now.

Back to reality, you do need to drink A LOT of water. Personally, i drink about 1.5 gallons/day.

because no fat person ever thinks to fix why he eats. fat people are filled with emotional dissonance & this is the reason why they feel compelled to stuff their face. Before any major diet overhaul, the fat person should first see a therapist & use diet & therapy concomitantly
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I started keto (ckd vs tkd) around the first of the year though I've found having a cheat meal or two over the weekend works much better for me than having the full 24-48hr carb up window. Also, while I try to stay at around 31g of carbs a day, I found I can easily go up to about 70g without being knocked out of ketosis. Even managed some gains in the gym...though I put that down more to being a beginner than diet.

Of course the added benefit of this diet is I'm no longer a crazy woman if I don't get to eat on time. :thumbsup

Oh, and I get to make some pretty fantastic meals.

I started taking Chromium Picolinate back in January and to date I've lost about 45 pounds - sitting in my office chair. I started out with 2000mcg for about a month and now taking between 3000-4000mcg per day. I haven't been able to find any negative (or positive) long-term side effects from the supplement, so if someone knows of any, please let me know... I haven't done much in the way of exercise, but I HAVE kicked out most bread/noodles/white flour products from my diet, and reduced sugar intake. I drink about 2-3 liters of diet Pepsi per day, water, and coffee. I eat one full meal per day and sometimes small snacks. I lost the excessive weight I had on my body, and went from 265lb at my worst down to a fluctuation between 217-223. I believe I've plateaued, concerning excessive body fat. I think it's time to start working out to tighten up a bit. Thoughts?

Great Success...
See AV...

Of course you lose fat, too, but also muscle, if you don't eat enough calories for the muscles to grow or stay at the same level, at least.

What you do might work, but longterm it will harm you. High protein diet non-stop will fuck up your liver and other organs. No extreme is healthy when done for too long.

I hear you, i've done it and it truly sucks.. but the good news is the internet is littered with THOUSANDS of low carb options and ideas for eating. I read the bodybuilding forums a bit more lately and notice that none of those guys know how to cook worth a damn and that probably just makes the experience miserable. I love to cook so that helps. Shit i even found a low carb pizza recipe.. wasn't bad but satisfied the craving more importantly.

you really have to erase this from your memory.. this is a complete fraud.. eat 1800 calories of cup cakes every day for 2 weeks and get back to me on how your health is...

atkins published his book in 1972 originally.. 40 year fad? ;) Kristin, what you are saying is true for people who don't need to lose a lot of weight, moderation will get semi fit, semi overweight people back into form no doubt, but if you are 300 lbs it isn't going to be effective as chopping down carbs will be, and that is what we are talking about here--getting fitter faster.

While chroPic may have helped a bit, this is what gave you the majority of your weight loss.

Also, you might want to be careful and look into it a bit more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/28...r-weight-loss/

"Although medical studies have used dosages of chromium up to 1,000mcg, these higher doses may be unsafe."

"Side effects and health risks associated with taking up to 200mcg daily of chromium picolinate are nearly non-existent, according to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. However, taking excessive amounts of chromium could potentially cause damage to your liver, kidneys and bone marrow. Taking large amounts of chromium picolinate specifically could interfere with your neurotransmitters, possibly harming people with certain mental health conditions like schizophrenia, depression and bipolar disorder. Chromium supplements may interact negatively with certain medications, such as diabetes drugs including insulin and antacids that contain calcium carbonate, warns the University of Maryland Medical Center."

Thanks, I'll look into that more. I should clarify that it's not like i'm taking in some stratospheric amount like 200g/day or anything.

edit: a quick search shows conflicting info, though it seems that kidneys are more at risk. However, even that can be counteracted by consuming lots of water (which i do).

100% agree. My caloric intake is pretty normal and the protein spares muscle mass.