Even Fox News thinks Ryan's a liar...

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-three-words/

1. Dazzling

At least a quarter of Americans still don?t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.

So, Ryan?s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that?s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.

To anyone watching Ryan?s speech who hasn?t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy ? the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn?t what candidates have done or what they promise to do ?it?s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.

2. Deceiving

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan?s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan?s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States? credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan?s speech but sadly, there were many.

3. Distracting

And then there?s what Ryan didn?t talk about.

Ryan didn?t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.

Ryan didn?t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

Ryan didn?t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

Ryan didn?t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase ? yes, increase ?the deficit.

These aspects of Ryan?s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.

At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, ?"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."

Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan?s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz2537wFMCE

[Tom_PM]

His lips were moving.

[baddog]

He is running for Veep, not President.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-three-words/

1. Dazzling

At least a quarter of Americans still don?t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.

So, Ryan?s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that?s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.

To anyone watching Ryan?s speech who hasn?t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy ? the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn?t what candidates have done or what they promise to do ?it?s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.

2. Deceiving

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan?s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan?s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States? credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan?s speech but sadly, there were many.

3. Distracting

And then there?s what Ryan didn?t talk about.

Ryan didn?t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.

Ryan didn?t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

Ryan didn?t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

Ryan didn?t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase ? yes, increase ?the deficit.

These aspects of Ryan?s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.

At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, ?"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."

Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan?s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz2537wFMCE

EVERY SIDE SPINS EVERYTHING
Just because you put FACT on something isn't true.

We will take ONE of your examples the Credit rating.
Go read it yourself and even use your own Logic. You do not get a better credit rating by having MORE debt, LOL

"The downgrade to AA+ occurred four days after the 112th United States Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling of the federal government by means of the Budget Control Act of 2011 on August 2, 2011."

"S&P considered the government budget deficit of more than 11 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), and net government debt rising to about 80 percent or more of GDP by 2013, to be high relative to other "AAA" countries.[9] According to S&P, meaningful progress towards balancing the budget would be required to move the U.S. back to a "stable" outlook.[4] The S&P press release stated: "We believe there is a material risk that U.S. policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium- and long-term budgetary challenges by 2013; if an agreement is not reached and meaningful implementation is not begun by then, this would in our view render the U.S. fiscal profile meaningfully weaker than that of peer 'AAA' sovereigns."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...owngrade,_2011

[2MuchMark]

How can anything think he is a liar without first noticing Willard's long list of lies?

[PornoMonster]

BUT YES, He is a Politician, they ALL Lie and Deceive!

[bronco67]

Is there anyone else wondering how in the hell this article slipped by the Fox editors? They have an agenda to run, and this definitely does not fit in with their propaganda. Since when has Fox News ever told the truth?

By the way, that Hairy Pussy banner at the top of the page is the most disgusting shit I've ever seen.

[Tom_PM]

Well, it was an Opinion piece so I'm sure they allow a few "off script" authors. Just like Huffpost does and others. It's kind of surprising, but no big thing.

BTW: their site crashes explorer pretty effectively, lol..

[tony286]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

EVERY SIDE SPINS EVERYTHING
Just because you put FACT on something isn't true.

We will take ONE of your examples the Credit rating.
Go read it yourself and even use your own Logic. You do not get a better credit rating by having MORE debt, LOL

"The downgrade to AA+ occurred four days after the 112th United States Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling of the federal government by means of the Budget Control Act of 2011 on August 2, 2011."

"S&P considered the government budget deficit of more than 11 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), and net government debt rising to about 80 percent or more of GDP by 2013, to be high relative to other "AAA" countries.[9] According to S&P, meaningful progress towards balancing the budget would be required to move the U.S. back to a "stable" outlook.[4] The S&P press release stated: "We believe there is a material risk that U.S. policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium- and long-term budgetary challenges by 2013; if an agreement is not reached and meaningful implementation is not begun by then, this would in our view render the U.S. fiscal profile meaningfully weaker than that of peer 'AAA' sovereigns."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...owngrade,_2011

Actually it is a fact,the downgrade was their fault and the first time it happened in history.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by tony286

Actually it is a fact,the downgrade was their fault and the first time it happened in history.

Well show me... But why was the right refusing to raise the debt ceiling? Because they wanted a budget plan... The Chicken or the Egg..

I kinda just looked up on Wikipedia, which I know can be wrong at times, but it is more than you are offering.

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

EVERY SIDE SPINS EVERYTHING
Just because you put FACT on something isn't true.

We will take ONE of your examples the Credit rating.
Go read it yourself and even use your own Logic. You do not get a better credit rating by having MORE debt, LOL

"The downgrade to AA+ occurred four days after the 112th United States Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling of the federal government by means of the Budget Control Act of 2011 on August 2, 2011."

"S&P considered the government budget deficit of more than 11 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), and net government debt rising to about 80 percent or more of GDP by 2013, to be high relative to other "AAA" countries.[9] According to S&P, meaningful progress towards balancing the budget would be required to move the U.S. back to a "stable" outlook.[4] The S&P press release stated: "We believe there is a material risk that U.S. policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium- and long-term budgetary challenges by 2013; if an agreement is not reached and meaningful implementation is not begun by then, this would in our view render the U.S. fiscal profile meaningfully weaker than that of peer 'AAA' sovereigns."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...owngrade,_2011

Had the debt ceiling been raised, the AAA credit rating would have stayed.

From your own quoted page:

In June, Moody's followed suit, warning that if Congress did not quickly raise the debt ceiling above $14.3 trillion, the agency might reduce the debt rating. Moody's also commented on the political process, warning that the heightened polarization on both sides increased the risk of a default.[1] On July 14, 2011, S&P issued a research update putting the U.S. debt on a 90-day CreditWatch.[11]

On July 16, 2011, Egan-Jones Rating Company, a smaller CRA, cut its rating from AAA to AA+, the first NRSRO to do so.[12]

Don't pretend that this was the first time the debt ceiling was raised... it's been raised continuously over the years (more than doubling with George W.). But, suddenly with Obama in office Congress doesn't want to raise it again?

[DTK]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

BUT YES, He is a Politician, they ALL Lie and Deceive!

Yes, but there are degrees of this.

[Rochard]

I can honestly say I know nothing about Ryan other than the fact that's a somewhat good looking man. I saw him on CNN this morning, he spoke briefly telling us how about Obama has failed to fix the housing problem. When Obama took office, exactly half of the twenty houses on my street were empty. As of this morning, only once house is empty which is due to a divorce.

Thus, the first sound clip I heard from him was disappointing.

[PornoMonster]

But it was NOT the Only factor, ha!
(I admit, I did read that wrong, but do not act like it was the ONLY factor it was just the last straw)

You are right, BOTH sides raise it ALL the time and it is stupid.
I know when my credit cards keep getting high limits and extended, I just get deeper into trouble!!!

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I can honestly say I know nothing about Ryan other than the fact that's a somewhat good looking man. I saw him on CNN this morning, he spoke briefly telling us how about Obama has failed to fix the housing problem. When Obama took office, exactly half of the twenty houses on my street were empty. As of this morning, only once house is empty which is due to a divorce.

Thus, the first sound clip I heard from him was disappointing.

Great for Your Street, where the houses fell over 40%. If I was to invest that is the first place I would go, or Florida to buy.

While my area is not as bad as 2009-10 ish, it goes up and down. Several houses are now owned by rental companies. I have also seen the same houses that were purchased back on the market again.

Both sides are Jokes!

[Elli]

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. PIRIOD.

Fixed this for you.

[Black All Through]

Politics is all shit, but the republican party is the steam that comes up from hot shit. Ryan and Romney wont even pass the 40% mark in November

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

He is running for Veep, not President.

Every VP is running for president as they are the next in line.

To the OP.. and his post..

Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan?s speech but sadly, there were many.

Republicans lost any sort of ability to be ashamed of their selves for lying when they brought in the Bush, Cheney tag team & all the lies they spewed about.

Not to mention who could even half ass give the GOP any sort of credibility after the last election when they ran McCain & that mouth abortion Palin. The GOP is pretty much just the same as one of those tabloid news rags you see at the grocery store check out line.

They just flash a lot of big exciting titles and words on the front page with no substance or facts behind the scenes. Honestly if I were a Republican I would be ashamed to say so..

Democrats aren't the magic wonders of the world but at least you somewhat know what you are getting with them.