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Lykos 07-25-2012 03:22 AM

Depends on area 100%

lucas131 07-25-2012 03:24 AM

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SuckOnThis 07-25-2012 03:28 AM

As low as interest rates are right now its cheaper to buy compared to renting. Here in Denver a $200,000 house with 10% down you're looking at about a $1000 a month payment with taxes and insurance. To rent that same home would be anywhere from $1500 to $1700 a month.

The rental market has boomed with all these foreclosures as people can't qualify to buy a house. Slowly those people are becoming in the position to be back in the market and this will drive demand and prices will rise, its starting to happen now and I think we are at the beginning of another housing boom.

candyflip 07-25-2012 04:54 AM

Aren't you still in the Orlando area? I'd have figured your market hit rock bottom a few years ago.

When we were just there I saw newly constructed homes that were going for under $150k.

CamTraffic 07-25-2012 05:11 AM

I don't know, every real estate agent i know seems to think it's at a All time low now, and it's the best time to buy.
I know what you're gonna say; they are trying to sell, but one of them is family so i am thinking she might actually be honest.
Your daughter can always rent it out if she needs to... renter's market is huge right now

Jensen 07-25-2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19078987)
Well I'm in Denmark and circumstances forced me to buy a house in 2007. That has cost me AT LEAST $200.000 in losses if I were to sell today, so I don't.

But at least in my country, if I was outside the market right now - I'd strongly consider getting in, since prices in many areas are slowly starting to rise again.

Yeah, was in Denmark last week and the prices were pretty damn good. Considering getting in myself but need to read up on rules and regulations down there.

My house is actually up about 40% since I bought it 5 years ago so the market up here needs a correction.

Markul 07-25-2012 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensen (Post 19079158)
Yeah, was in Denmark last week and the prices were pretty damn good. Considering getting in myself but need to read up on rules and regulations down there.

My house is actually up about 40% since I bought it 5 years ago so the market up here needs a correction.

Let me know if you need any help finding shit out here :thumbsup

Btw can you help me with an average monthly number to rent a decent apartment for a single dude in Trondheim, Rotvoll? I have an employee we might outsource there and I need to do some math.

DamageX 07-25-2012 05:25 AM

As long as the total amount of house payments (mortgage + interest) is lower than or equal to the total amount of rent you'd pay during that same period, a house is a great deal. Even if it depreciates in value by 90%, you still have 10% more left than if you had been renting the entire time.

Assuming, of course, you'd have the same space and standard of living in your own house as you would in a rental.

Jel 07-25-2012 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 19078722)
If she'd rent a place she would be putting for example $1000 a month in something she doesn't own. That's $12,000 a year. in 10 years that's $120,000 wasted in rent.

If she'd buy something for like $250,000 and lives there for 10 years it would never drop $120,000 in value + there is a quite a big chance prices will eventually go up again.

Even if the economy is bad, it's still always better to buy than to rent, especially if you plan to live in the same place 10 - 20 years.

exackery. It's madness NOT to buy.

MontrealDave 07-25-2012 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19079180)
As long as the total amount of house payments (mortgage + interest) is lower than or equal to the total amount of rent you'd pay during that same period, a house is a great deal. Even if it depreciates in value by 90%, you still have 10% more left than if you had been renting the entire time.

Assuming, of course, you'd have the same space and standard of living in your own house as you would in a rental.

That sounds like a very logical way of thinking and I totally agree :thumbsup

Either you rent and basically throw your money away since you are not building equity, or you buy something that is up to your standard, that you can afford and that will not cost you more than a rent. Even if it depreciates, you are still better off in the long term than renting.

Jensen 07-25-2012 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19079169)
Let me know if you need any help finding shit out here :thumbsup

Btw can you help me with an average monthly number to rent a decent apartment for a single dude in Trondheim, Rotvoll? I have an employee we might outsource there and I need to do some math.

Thanks, appreciate that :) We love Denmark and generally come for a few weeks every summer anyway. Stayed in Blokhus last time.

I had a look at the student org in Trondheim and the avg price for a 3 room apartment up there is 13000 NOK a month ($2100). DKK and NOK is about even at the moment. With students coming in I doubt you'll find anything decent atm :/

grumpy 07-25-2012 05:54 AM

Rent for now and wait 6 months, if values goes up your still in time to buy. If it goes down, wait longer. Its simple. For now i would WAIT!

bronco67 07-25-2012 05:55 AM

As one poster said, you're not really buying the house, literally. How many people ever really finish paying for a house before they move out? Same with a car, also.

Markul 07-25-2012 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensen (Post 19079207)
Thanks, appreciate that :) We love Denmark and generally come for a few weeks every summer anyway. Stayed in Blokhus last time.

I had a look at the student org in Trondheim and the avg price for a 3 room apartment up there is 13000 NOK a month ($2100). DKK and NOK is about even at the moment. With students coming in I doubt you'll find anything decent atm :/

Cool, if you are ever on Sjælland we could meet up and have a beer and a chat. You're also welcome to drop by for a barbecue at my house if the weather is up to it :pimp

We don't need a student apartment, 3 bedroom is more than he needs - but now I know the pricerange, thanks! :thumbsup

DamageX 07-25-2012 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19079216)
As one poster said, you're not really buying the house, literally. How many people ever really finish paying for a house before they move out? Same with a car, also.

Car: 25-35% loss of value the minute you drive off the dealer's lot, worth zero after a few years.
House: depreciates or appreciates slowly, still worth lots after a lifetime.

Buying a house is nothing like buying a car. One is an investment, the other is an expenditure.

Ross 07-25-2012 06:23 AM

I don't think you are looking at it properly at all. Buying is ALWAYS going to be better than renting. Why rent somewhere for $1,000 a month say as opposed to putting $1,000 into your own place?

I moved to Canada 2 years ago and bought a house, some people said I was an idiot and should have rented since I wasn't sure I'd be here more than 3-5 years. Last week my neighbour just sold her house for 30% more than I paid for mine. I'm easily up 20% in just under 2 years, probably more as my house is much better than hers.

L-Pink 07-25-2012 06:35 AM

The areas of Florida I'm most familiar with are Ft Myers/Cape Coral and Tampa. You can still find a lot of homes with a square foot cost below what the materials alone sell for. I'm talking $50 per ft range.

That being said if she puts down at least 25% and has financing pre approved there's nothing wrong with making low ball offers until someone accepts. This is a buyers market make sure she is a smart buyer.

The biggest negatives I see are personal ones. If she's young will she want to move around to different cities or be tied down to one location for years. The other is most marriages end in divorce ...... Either one then makes her a seller in a buyers market.

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Sophie Delancey 07-25-2012 07:02 AM

Oy. This stuff makes my head hurt when I think about buying. I think I'll just be saving my money without any intent to buy for the next few years... At least by the time things level off, I'll be able to throw down a huge chunk if not the whole thing. I wish Toronto real estate wasn't so expensive. I envy the US in that respect.

arock10 07-25-2012 07:08 AM

It's a great time to buy especially because interest rates are so low. Also remeber interest and property taxes are both tax deductible. Personally I would get her to wait until she can put 20% down, interest rates aren't going up anytime soon

I'm a little skeptical about the math of ~7% depreciation a year, maybe in the short term but you don't buy a house for the short term.

Kenny B! 07-25-2012 07:19 AM

As a landlord I love reading how Americans are scared to buy and think renting is the best way to go.

Home prices and mortgage rates are at historic lows, if there was any time to buy this is it! Why pay off the property for someone else?

Last house I bought I rented back to the previous owner. They have 4 kids in 3 different schools all within a couple miles of the house. He signed a multi-year lease because he dreads having to move, their lives are entrenched in the community.

I paid $101k for the house and collect $1000 a month rent, which is at least $200 under market but I'm helping a struggling hard working honest family. They will be there for the next 10 years and will pay off the house for me and then some.

Care to tell me how renting beats buying? Their mistake was buying at a high and spending more than they should have, so many family's got caught up in that.

Tom_PM 07-25-2012 07:20 AM

Doesn't it really simply depend on if it's "just another investment idea" versus "I need a place to live"?

The phrase "buy low" comes to mind also. When is a better time to buy.. when the value goes up and the interest rates on loans go up right along with them? I guess if you have a crystal ball then theres no need to ask (not that anyone was asking).

potter 07-25-2012 07:20 AM

1. You know that old saying "buy low", well the housing market is at it's low right now. Sure, it might go lower - but not so much it's going to be a big difference than where it is now.

2. By renting they're throwing that money away anyway. So just compare how much they're currently throwing away each year and it's pretty easy to figure out if it's worth it and how much house they can afford.

3. 5% down? WTF? I always thought you wanted at LEAST 10%, but 20% is the best (or more if you can afford it).

DamageX 07-25-2012 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by potter (Post 19079340)
3. 5% down? WTF? I always thought you wanted at LEAST 10%, but 20% is the best (or more if you can afford it).

Actually 0% down would make even more business sense. Seeing as you build equity with every payment you make on the house, as opposed to paying rent to live elsewhere IN ADDITION to saving up for the down-payment.

crazyvipa 07-25-2012 07:36 AM

I believe it is extremely smart to purchase a house right now, I just did.

a) The market has never been in the buyers favor as it is now. When going to the bidding table, you can easily find a seller who needs to sell ASAP -- getting the deal of a life time.
b) I just closed on my house with a 3.7% 30 yr fixed rate -- $100 down. ... beating a 3.7% rate would be a miracle.
c) While it takes a while to find the home you want, being picky can land an awesome deal. I just closed on the home, after doing minor work ($3000-$5000) my appraisal will jump almost 20,000$

All in all, buy a house. If you are a seller, just hang on to the house, lol.

L-Pink 07-25-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B! (Post 19079336)

Care to tell me how renting beats buying? Their mistake was buying at a high and spending more than they should have, so many family's got caught up in that.

In TODAYS market renting beats buying if the owner isn't going to be in the same location for an extended period of time.

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DamageX 07-25-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19079366)
In TODAYS market renting beats buying if the owner isn't going to be in the same location for an extended period of time.

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Not even close. If you buy a house, live in it for one year and then sell it and move, you'd probably still lose less than the money you pissed away on rent during that time. Assuming, of course, that prices keep going down, but there's no huge real estate crash.

halfpint 07-25-2012 07:47 AM

Yes i think its a good idea to buy a house instead of putting money into somebody elses pocket by renting a property, at least when you buy your investing in something for yourself and house prices rise and fall all the time even if it takes 10 years to make a profit by selling or upgrading/ downgrading to another house

Kenny B! 07-25-2012 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19079366)
In TODAYS market renting beats buying if the owner isn't going to be in the same location for an extended period of time.

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Sorta kinda, depends on the location. If you are buying in a depressed market then you should buy regardless, then when you are ready to move just rent it out. Odds are you'll get more in rent than your payments depending on what you put down and what the interest rates are.

Kenny B! 07-25-2012 07:59 AM

As for the crystal ball comments, no one knows where the housing market will go, just like the stock market.

BUT look at the cost per sq. ft. on the house you want to buy, in many cities you can find newer (10 years old or newer) homes for under $80 a sq ft. Well under the cost to rebuild which is about $150/ sq ft on average. Hard to go wrong when you are buying a place at 50% of what it costs to rebuild

L-Pink 07-25-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19079383)
Not even close. If you buy a house, live in it for one year and then sell it and move, you'd probably still lose less than the money you pissed away on rent during that time. Assuming, of course, that prices keep going down, but there's no huge real estate crash.

I have lived in 4 houses in the last 7 years no way I would be ahead of the game if I had purchased instead of renting. And who knows what house I would still be stuck in if it didn't sell when I was ready to move. Closing costs, real estate commissions, minor repairs, I just don't see it if you aren't there for at least X amount of years.

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PR_Glen 07-25-2012 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 19078718)
I hear ya, but every website I have found says the opposite, that homes are still depreciating EVERYWHERE in the US with the exception of a couple cities. The facts are showing me that homes are depreciating every quarter with no signs of stopping. If I'm wrong PLEASE show me.

shouldn't that be telling you something else then?

tell her to buy a house at no more than 70% of the current value, plenty of deals on foreclosures, plenty of deals for refinance deals. All you have to do is to find the right mortgage company and have a team full of real estate agents sniffing out deals for you and you will save an insane amount, so that takes away your depreciation worries. Then if you wanted to go further you'd find 3 or 4 more and do the same thing and rent them out and live off the cash flow. You have any idea how much you can save on taxes when you own rental property?

if you're not making money in real estate? it's because you are playing the speculation game and not really an investor at all.

PR_Glen 07-25-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B! (Post 19079336)
As a landlord I love reading how Americans are scared to buy and think renting is the best way to go.

Home prices and mortgage rates are at historic lows, if there was any time to buy this is it! Why pay off the property for someone else?

Last house I bought I rented back to the previous owner. They have 4 kids in 3 different schools all within a couple miles of the house. He signed a multi-year lease because he dreads having to move, their lives are entrenched in the community.

I paid $101k for the house and collect $1000 a month rent, which is at least $200 under market but I'm helping a struggling hard working honest family. They will be there for the next 10 years and will pay off the house for me and then some.

Care to tell me how renting beats buying? Their mistake was buying at a high and spending more than they should have, so many family's got caught up in that.

perfect example of how to make money in real estate :thumbsup

NinjaSteve 07-25-2012 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 19078658)
So my married daughter is hell bent on buying a house. I have showed her stats of depreciation, mortgage tables, etc etc and still she insists. With 5% down the moment you move in you owe more than it's worth. Add in depreciation of about 8% or so and you are fucked.

Do you think it's a good idea to buy a house in today's market? I think it's dumber than dumb.

It's a bad idea for her to buy the house... but if you buy the house for her then :pimp

BlackCrayon 07-25-2012 09:40 AM

its so crazy to see the difference between the canadian and american real estate market. prices here just go up and up and up for the past 10 years or so. i'm sure they'll come down at some point but i don't see any signs yet.

Ross 07-25-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19079280)
Because the $1000 is NOT going to your "own" place, BUT the interest on the home loan. Currently the US has a glutton of empty homes and many in the lengthy foreclosure process.

Meaning, homes will NOT increase in-value, but stay stagnate as the upkeep and maintenance actually decrease the overall value until the market absorbs glutton and newly foreclosures.

This leaves you 2 choices, straight out buy or rent. :2 cents:

I own a home, I know how Mortgages work. Even if 50% is repayment and 50% interest, you still come out ahead, especially if you are in it for the long term. Granted, I don't know much about the areas Choker is talking about so your second point is probably very valid. I guess I'm pretty lucky then where I am.

beerptrol 07-25-2012 09:51 AM

I'm surprised you didn't steer her towards one of those underground bunker houses. On a serious note I saw a couple of nice houses coming up for sale in the next sheriff's tax sale.

xNetworx 07-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett (Post 19078821)
Owning (basically an open-ended lease from the government; one doesn't truly own property; note the word "Fee Simple" on a deed; feudalism never really went away, it's still with us - but rambling on) provides more stability.

And in many areas, rents are getting relatively expensive - a mortgage, even including property taxes, may be the same or even cheaper.

As for taking a hit on the value from the closing costs, fees, and future fees when it comes time to resell ... that may be 10% or somewhat more, but even accounting for that, ownership can still worthwhile.

A more basic question to discuss with her in-depth is how long she plans to live there ... if she's not sure / thinks likely under 5 years, then renting is probably better.

Related to the above, if there a high probability of either of them (assuming both work) having to relocate with little notice, owning could be a chain around their necks limiting their options.

My thoughts exactly. If she has a stable job and she believes she has bulletproof job security and wants to raise a family in that house (good school district or near private schools) buying makes sense. HOWEVER, if she could change jobs, be transferred, would not raise kids in that house or send them to school there, she should rent. Unless you pay cash for the house, you are just renting it from the bank and it severely ties you down unless you want to become a landlord. I sold my condo in 08 for a decent gain (bought in 03) and I would never buy a place again until I decide that is where I will be for 10+ years. :2 cents:

HowlingWulf 07-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 19078668)

Orlando, average depreciation has been like over 7% the last few years

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/orlando/rates/#data

Quick! Tell her to buy here and make 20%!

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/fort-myers/rates/

It's on the internet so it must be true.

Choker 07-25-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19079280)
Because the $1000 is NOT going to your "own" place, BUT the interest on the home loan. Currently the US has a glutton of empty homes and many in the lengthy foreclosure process.

Meaning, homes will NOT increase in-value, but stay stagnate as the upkeep and maintenance actually decrease the overall value until the market absorbs glutton and newly foreclosures.

This leaves you 2 choices, straight out buy or rent. :2 cents:

This is what I tried telling her. Depreciation here accelerated last quarter and the economy is looking worse overall, not better. I was going to buy a $500k house back in 2007. Today that house is worth maybe 300k. People here posting that they would buy a house, and I appreciate everyones feedback, but the stats don't lie. Homes are going down in value here in Florida with no signs of stopping. When I do the math it simply makes no sense to buy right now. $7000 a year depreciation on a 100k house. No matter how I run the numbers renting is better.

DWB 07-25-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B! (Post 19079336)
As a landlord I love reading how Americans are scared to buy and think renting is the best way to go.

Home prices and mortgage rates are at historic lows, if there was any time to buy this is it! Why pay off the property for someone else?

Last house I bought I rented back to the previous owner. They have 4 kids in 3 different schools all within a couple miles of the house. He signed a multi-year lease because he dreads having to move, their lives are entrenched in the community.

I paid $101k for the house and collect $1000 a month rent, which is at least $200 under market but I'm helping a struggling hard working honest family. They will be there for the next 10 years and will pay off the house for me and then some.

Care to tell me how renting beats buying? Their mistake was buying at a high and spending more than they should have, so many family's got caught up in that.

Buying is great if you get the right deal. Unfortunately, too many don't wait for the right deal, don't know it when they see it, or simply buy into something they can not afford.


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