tam have new possition on stunner media ...

What the fuck were they thinking?

That is so gay:
http://standahead.com/stunnermedia/

She's an old hand in the industry. I remember her on Porncity BBS. On one hand if someone is just an employee then that means they weren't making most of the decisions and may not have known everything which was going on. Yet on the other had there needs to be some disincentive to stay with scumbags because without that no one would ever think twice about working for the assholes.

I have to admit I've noticed patterns with bad people constantly joining other bad (or soon to be bad) programs.

old hand in the industry who lied for years and helped to scam and stole money from affiliates and people? ok, great addition. i would not hire goering or other gestapo only cause they knew their business ... oh man, karma is getting really some hard kicking ass here ...

She has a solid resume of working for shady companies. Fact.

thats what got me thinking if stunner media have been bought by other media

damn, i am late., i wish i could have hired her.,
and learned all the mr tactics.

prechecked 2-3 x sales.,card banging,not paying affiliates and all
so much money..,.,.,.,.,buahahahahah

just saying.

is'nt that cute, a santa rat

It's true, Tam works for Stunner Media now.

While we are not too active here, our presence (and programs) is well known on all of the gay boards. In fact, we own the oldest gay board in the industry.

We have also been publicly vocal about our disgust with her prior employer (see my many past posts here for example).

Tam is a go-getther that runs circles around many. We need that kind of person in our organization. As an affiliate manager she will help affiliates with their needs, just as she has done for many years.

While we will not work with her previous employer and think their practices are deplorable, we know that most of their employees are just that... employees.

There are people at MR we wouldn't hire if they came begging and offered to work for free, but Tam was never one of them.

We've grown to 25+ people with 8 programs by doing things right. Why ruin that or get greedy now when things are going so well?

no comment

I am stunned.

Undeniable!

any connection to priderevenue?
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1075747

Pulling links...seriously. No fucking way I'm going to risk sending more sales to a company that would do business with someone like that. In fact, this makes me question what's going on at stunner and why they would need such a person. What a fucking shame.

Stone Cold Stunner

Amen to that.

You guys do good work. In Stunner we trust.

First of all, let me be 100% clear: We are not doing ANY business with MR and we never will. Not directly or indirectly. NEVER. I?ve been vocal about them ? we don?t want anything to do with them ever.

Second, most of you probably don?t believe in second chances. If that?s the case, there?s nothing I can say to change your mind. But if former iBill, ePassporte employees can be forgiven, if we can forgive someone for the LikeWhoa fiasco that cost so many people so much money and see the guy start one of the now largest companies in adult, then others deserve another chance too.

We saw someone with skills (Tam), and she genuinely seems to not have known what MR was up to. We had a position to fill, and she applied for it. End of story.

The bottom line is that we run an ethical business and nothing will change that. Her job is to bring affiliates and care for them, and she follows our guidelines. She has no control over billing at Stunner Media, just like she had no decision power at MR.

If you guys are mad about affiliates not getting paid by MR (I don?t read GFY much, I?m not sure what is the current beef), then you shouldn?t have promoted them. It shouldn?t come as a big surprise ;) We never got caught in the SOBV payment issues because we consciously choose to only do business with ethical companies, and that will not change.

really no comment. time will show

Everyone deserves another, and another, and another chance.

"second" chances?

Some of you guys are so out of touch with how business works

so you are getting media revenue payments on time, congrats. a bit off topic, but sure how business works, hire thieves, hire liars, promote scammy companies, just make money ... serious business

some people consider bank robbing as a business...

Welcome to my shitlist.

#fail

Unbefuckinglievable you hired her. Normal people would stay as far as possible from scum like her. Very stupid move.

So true, she runs circles around 99% of the people here. She got bitched out, cussed at and damn near spit upon by everyone and she maintained with dignity and class.

Epitome If I pushed gay - I would sign up with Stunner immediately because of her.

Only in this industry....

I didn't think she had much experience with the gay side, so that makes me even more confused.

Putting dignity, class and Tam in the same sentence is just as retarded as hiring her. Ask about her class and dignity to the people who didn't get paid. Look in the other thread how classy she was to the person who's card got banged.

Idiot.

It's far more than affiliates not getting paid. "the current beef"? Maybe you should do your homework then because you obviously do not have a clue....

How can anybody still defend this piece of shit??? How?? Are they completely blind or what?

Glad I don't have any links to pull.

Tam posted this on a gay forum.

"I am excited to say that I have been brought on as Affiliate Rep for Stunner Media. I have known most of these guys for a very very long time and when I heard there was an opening, I jumped all over it. Phil and I have been good friends for about 12-13 years and Lloyd and I for about 6-7 years, so there was a strong relationship there already. The opening came for me to be able to work with these guys and I took it without hesitation."

Well that explains it.

Hey Guys, this has been a while since I’ve been here on GFY but this needs addressing ;)

First of all, as others have said we are not MR, we are not acquiring MR and we have nothing to do with MR… We won’t, we are at the opposite end of what they believe in.

Some of you might have met me in the last 5 years… some of you in the last 10 years but some others go a little father back to the pre-2000 era. Often we’ll remember someone from back in the days and reminisce on the good old days and how it was back then etc… Tam is such a person that I met WAYYYYYY back in the old days when gofuckyourself didn’t exist, when I was moderating some board… hell I forgot the name, adultwebmaster something. It was by the maker of UCJ


Anyhow, I go back to knowing Tam around that day and age. Back then she used to be smart, know what she was doing and always took good care of her people and friends. She was friendly and I knew I could trust her. Then I lost track of Tam for years and years. I did my own thing, and she did her own. I made my mistakes, trusted the wrong people and built everything back up.

But all through these years, there was one constant about me… and you can ask around and look everywhere. I have always handled my business the way I should be handling it. I have made good business relations with many people that are on GFY, or off GFY. I cannot think of any people who can say that I was not fair, that I was not professional or that my ethics have been questionable through the years. Every decision I make is always done with Ethics high up on my mind. And I will assure you that the exact same can be said of my Partner Jay. We’ve passed on some deals because they were questionable. We decided not to hire people who we knew were shady or didn’t believe in the same things as we do. So the simple idea of comparing us to MR repulses me. We’re at the opposite ends and if you feel you have been wronged or need assistance with your promotion of our sites , tools or whatever, I welcome anyone to contact us directly Jay and I and we will do our best to help. This is what we do.

As with any organization, employees are what help build a company up but egos and poor management and bad ethical decisions are what brings one down.

We chose to empower the earlier and give a good employee the chance to put her past behind her and focus on what she likes to do, what she is good at and what she loves. What she was 10 years back is still what she is now. I don’t believe the choices the people make for you define what you are, but I do believe that when you are in a good environment that allows you to strive and where you can be part of a great team, only good things can come out of it.

I believe in doing things right, in keeping a high level of integrity and ethics, and that’s what I teach everyone that works with us. That’s what I expect of each and every person in our team. Often people talk of company cultures, well, this is deeply ingrained in ours.

With that said, I cannot condone all that Tam did while at MR that she might or might not have known… I wasn’t there…But I sure can vouch for what she is doing WITH US and what she’ll be doing in the future WITH US as she will be following our company’s culture and lead, I can assure you of that.

And I believe that if you don’t believe that, you should give it a shot and work with us and make your own assessment, you won’t be disappointed ;-)

Thanks Doug and Gabe!

Doug, if you're free you should go to Montreal X Nights on Thursday. Looks like you already got the Facebook invite. I'm way too far away to attend.

Boy, that is a blast from the past.

Look at these huge ass posts trying to defend the fact that they hired the worst person possible. How pathetic.
Look you can post as much huge bs posts as you want. That won't change the facts about Tam. And those facts aren't pretty.
Hiring her is the most stupid move any company can do right now. There seriously has to be something wrong with you to even consider it.

there is second chances then there is third and forth chances.
this is stunning. not everyone forgives and forgets you will get some backlash hope she is worth it.

If you don't have a problem whatsoever hiring these kind of people i wonder what else as a company you don't have problems.
If i would promote you i would take my links down instantly.

bros before hoes, oh wait, hmm nevermind.

I appreciate the explanation, however if you have to do the above for a new employee, you need to ask yourself the question.................

some people never learn.

i hear some ex enron people are looking for jobs, maybe you can hire some of them too.

"birds of a feather flock together" is true for a very simple reason.

We did actually

Before we hired Tam, she was upfront about the fact that in the eyes of a lot of people she had let them down, led them to a company that proved out to be terrible in the end (despite how little she knew about it herself) and that GFY would be against her.

We asked her what she knew about the situation and her involvement.

We made it clear to her that if she worked for us, We would only accept the highest standards in support to her affiliates, ethics in how she treats everyone and beyond all transparency in what she does while working with us. I made it clear that if she shows even a iota of going against the grain and not doing things right for our affiliates (with which we pride ourselves in having a perfect track record), it would be the end of it.

She said she was ready to make things right, she was eager to get back to business and being able to do what she's good at in a positive environment. She said she could bring sales, she said she was eager to make things right with her affiliates.

She takes ownership of her actions, and she wants to make things right. As far as the past, that's all We can ask her for.


With that said, everyone who already does business with us intrinsically actually know what we do, how we are with our people, and our affiliates; they know that whatever happens, we're there for them and whatever they need, we want to make it available for them.

That's how we started 15 years ago, that's how we grew the company, that's how we became successful and that's how we'll still be here long from now.

I'm not worried about how our company reflects from hiring Tam, and that's not why I wrote two long replies because I believe in everything we have done all those years [for the record, I only write long replies because that's a bad habit and those who know me have learned that I often take 5 pages to say something hehehe]. But sometimes, People need to know that we're there for them and that we believe in them.

Mr is MR, Stunner is Stunner, and Tam works for Stunner now.

holy shit... another program to write off the list.

And another huge ass reply which means absolutely nothing if you look at the facts. Give it up dude. All those words aren't gonna change the fact what lowlife scum she is.

People who defend Tam and her actions should put on the same shitlist where she belongs.

My only experience with Tam was when I was an affiliate of Media Revenue. I had payment issues and she went above and beyond to assist me in a very professional manner while other fucking idiots were more concerned about making deals 24/7.

I'm now a former affiliate of Media Revenue, I despise their tactics, and I was banned for making comments about them banging cards before AVN took over GFY.

All I'm saying is Tam is very good at what she does. She bends over backwards to help affiliates. You wouldn't walk into Walmart and cuss out an employee for that company's questionable business practices. Why? Because they're just employees and have absolutely no input in that company's decision making process.