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  • DamageX
    Marketing & Strategy
    • Jun 2001
    • 14293

    #51
    Paul Markham, universal genius.
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    • nico-t
      emperor of my world
      • Aug 2004
      • 29903

      #52
      Originally posted by Paul Markham
      Yes I had the balls to do that, it was easier then because of less competition. Even so selling to magazines was legal, selling videos abroad was legal and both these sectors needed a higher level than online.

      12 or more years ago it was very easy to get online and sell to surfers. Even though ratios were poor the abundance of surfers made it look good. Many died off and went back to day jobs. Those who survived learned a lot, yet the content was secondary to driving traffic. Today getting huge numbers of surfers to a free site is easy for most. Getting one of them to buy something is very hard.

      And that's what this thread is about. As you know nothing about this subject, because you're unable to even advise them on good pictures to use. I advise you to run along now.
      i've never heard you say this. Thanks, Paul!

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      • DamianJ
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2006
        • 15808

        #53
        Originally posted by Paul Markham
        Yes I had the balls to do that, it was easier then because of less competition.
        Great!

        So your advice boils down to find a market where there is a need for something but it is illegal, then break the law in order to sell an illegal product to a market with demand.

        Sounds like a drug dealer!

        It's great you're not ashamed of your criminal past. Good for you!

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        • squeezeboobs
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2003
          • 887

          #54
          Originally posted by peterk
          can you do this to show us how it is done instead of just telling us ?
          I agree too. Something with an example might have come off better and more informative.

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          • DamianJ
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2006
            • 15808

            #55
            Originally posted by squeezeboobs
            I agree too. Something with an example might have come off better and more informative.

            Paul?....
            Remember the phrase "Those who can, do. Those who can't teach"?

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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #56
              Originally posted by DamageX
              Paul Markham, universal genius.
              I wish.

              Just some of the things I've learned over the years of selling porn.

              Originally posted by squeezeboobs
              I agree too. Something with an example might have come off better and more informative.

              Paul?....
              So let's look at some examples of how to do it wrong and right. Useful to affiliates to know who to promote.

              Looking scared, uneasy and wishing she was elsewhere. Raised elbow isn't good in porn as anyone who has been hit with an elbow will know. Also the phrase "Elbowed out."



              Lips together, bored look. Anyone think she wants to fuck?



              A Pink is when a girl separates the lips of her vagina. She will know how to do it, as she does it very often.



              Pussy dry and the vibrator isn't going in!!!!! Don't need to explain why that's wrong.



              A few that got it right.

              A smile, a promise in the eyes and not at all nervous.



              A different look, yet still conveying something promising.



              Even a virgin can do it right.



              No problem sliding into here.



              Obviously sending traffic to a a site that has it so wrong is going to be a waste of traffic. Selecting content for a tour is so important it's amazing this sponsor got it so wrong.
              Last edited by Paul Markham; 07-23-2012, 06:31 AM.



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              • SomeCreep
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                • Mar 2003
                • 26118

                #57
                Tube sites.

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                • Paul Markham
                  Too old to care
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #58
                  So some videos of how to do it and how not to do it. forget the lighting, focus, definition. Important but easy today with the cameras available.

                  This girl is amateur yet comfortable with sharing herself.

                  Helen Hanson Video.

                  Real amateur. Just two girls doing it for the first time. One was a lover, the other my secretary.

                  Real Amateur lesbian.

                  A pro, still sharing herself.

                  Lucy Gresty Porn Video.

                  Talking dirty and sharing.

                  Talking Dirty Video.

                  The point is in all these videos I made the girls project themselves to the camera. If members fall in love with models. Give them something to fall in love with.

                  With couples it still can be done, by the intro, during the sex. The models have to project themselves to each other and share it with the person behind the camera in a far less obvious way. Yet still important. Today's market is flooded with anonymous porn of models going through the motions. sometime clearly going through the motion. Rarely did we see tours with models clearly enjoying themselves and sharing that enjoyment.

                  Damian will now tell us all this work is crap.



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                  • peterk
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3529

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                    Better than all the other shooter who did custom and have nothing to sell.

                    this guy sounds a bit like Damian, clutching straws to prove his theories.

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                    • peterk
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 3529

                      #60
                      Originally posted by squeezeboobs
                      I agree too. Something with an example might have come off better and more informative.

                      Paul?....
                      paul, the man of thousands of great ideas and has everything figured out is living on social security and never used any of his ideas. when asked how one of his many brillant ideas turned out he said,

                      Originally posted by Paul Markham

                      Didn't need to and didn't bother.
                      paul is a master in his own mind and loves to hear himself talk. too bad he is so old and creepy now that teen girls wont do shoots with him anymore even if they need the money bad.
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                      • peterk
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 3529

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        I wish.



                        Lips together, bored look. Anyone think she wants to fuck?

                        A Pink is when a girl separates the lips of her vagina. She will know how to do it, as she does it very often.

                        Pussy dry and the vibrator isn't going in!!!!! Don't need to explain why that's wrong.


                        A smile, a promise in the eyes and not at all nervous.

                        A different look, yet still conveying something promising.

                        Even a virgin can do it right.

                        No problem sliding into here.
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                        Bogat mama ala cu loturi de trafic

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                        • peterk
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3529

                          #62
                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                          I wish.

                          Just some of the things I've learned over the years of selling porn.



                          So let's look at some examples of how to do it wrong and right. Useful to affiliates to know who to promote.

                          Looking scared, uneasy and wishing she was elsewhere. Raised elbow isn't good in porn as anyone who has been hit with an elbow will know. Also the phrase "Elbowed out."



                          Lips together, bored look. Anyone think she wants to fuck?



                          A Pink is when a girl separates the lips of her vagina. She will know how to do it, as she does it very often.



                          Pussy dry and the vibrator isn't going in!!!!! Don't need to explain why that's wrong.



                          A few that got it right.

                          A smile, a promise in the eyes and not at all nervous.



                          A different look, yet still conveying something promising.



                          Even a virgin can do it right.



                          No problem sliding into here.



                          Obviously sending traffic to a a site that has it so wrong is going to be a waste of traffic. Selecting content for a tour is so important it's amazing this sponsor got it so wrong.
                          did this person get it right too paul?


                          what went wrong in that video? she looked scared, uneasy and wishing she was elsewhere. im sure her pussy was not wet either and she didnt want to show her pink for you. sick old pervert.
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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #63
                            This is good IMO. http://www.babes.com/tour/

                            What would make it great is to get rid of that bloody music, let me hear the models, let's have some talking more inter action between the players and shoot the editor. He's trying to create something arty.

                            The second sample down is done so much better. http://orgasms.xxx/tour/?

                            So are others on the tour, see the difference in styles?

                            I know some of the Czech girls speak English, so why no dialogue? Not as much as I do, just some to give the viewer more.



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                            • Roald
                              SecretFriends.com
                              • May 2001
                              • 27910

                              #64
                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                              ..

                              I know some of the Czech girls speak English, so why no dialogue? Not as much as I do, just some to give the viewer more.
                              More of what exactly? I personally dont like a dialogue, specially not from an eastern european girl with a heavy accent. Ruins it for me.


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                              • helterskelter808
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 3405

                                #65
                                I also don't see the point of music in porn, which I assume is there to cover up 'directions', because I can't see any other purpose for it. I don't know about 'dialogue' (though I really hate it when some boring douchebag behind the camera decides to impart his 'personality' on proceedings), but voices and grunts and noises from the participants (with the exception of ridiculous noisy/screamy/whiney porn sluts) are much better and give more of a sense of it being natural, rather than a performance, than some really crappy muzak that's going to be muted anyway.
                                Last edited by helterskelter808; 07-23-2012, 10:28 AM.

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                                • VenusBlogger
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Nov 2011
                                  • 1540

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Roald
                                  More of what exactly? I personally dont like a dialogue, specially not from an eastern european girl with a heavy accent. Ruins it for me.
                                  I don't know other niches, but FEMDOM EUROPEAN Movies never talk in ENGLISH, besides UK that talk with a strong BRITISH ACCENT.

                                  But in German or RUSSIAN the MISTRESS will always talk in their original language.

                                  Also out of EUROPE, add JAPANESE there. Since the best FEMDOM are UK, Russian, German and Japanese.

                                  They talk in JAPANESE there, and they all know they MARKET US and english speaking countries.

                                  US femdom is so poor quality (besides KINK, altough I think they could do it 1000's times better with all that production and BUDGET), they put too much Glamorous to the movies and a true FEMDOM movie should not be glamorous.

                                  PIRIOD.
                                  Last edited by VenusBlogger; 07-23-2012, 10:31 AM.

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                                  • Paul Markham
                                    Too old to care
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 52942

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                    I also don't see the point of music in porn, which I assume is there to cover up 'directions', because I can't see any other purpose for it. I don't know about 'dialogue' (though I really hate it when some boring douchebag behind the camera decides to impart his 'personality' on proceedings), but voices and grunts and noises from the participants (with the exception of ridiculous noisy/screamy/whiney porn sluts) are much better and give more of a sense of it being natural, rather than a performance, than some really crappy muzak that's going to be muted anyway.
                                    I think that is often the reason, it's just annoying and takes a lot away from the action. Also unless it's very very good music it sounds trashy.

                                    Yes shooters talking to models can be extremely annoying unless part of the scene. It would be in amateur, in the scenario of a man shooting his partner as a prelude to sex. Gonzo needs a good personality behind the camera to make it really work. Good Gonzo stars are hard to copy.

                                    Roald has a point, then spend more to shoot American girls or just reject girls who can't speak properly. Still a girl who is cute and has faltering English can portray herself as that. It's all about creating the illusion.

                                    My main reason for including this dialogue is so many sites have done the dumb anonymous model scene to death and talk establishes character.



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                                    • nico-t
                                      emperor of my world
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 29903

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                      I wish.

                                      Just some of the things I've learned over the years of selling porn.



                                      So let's look at some examples of how to do it wrong and right. Useful to affiliates to know who to promote.

                                      Looking scared, uneasy and wishing she was elsewhere. Raised elbow isn't good in porn as anyone who has been hit with an elbow will know. Also the phrase "Elbowed out."
                                      .....
                                      Obviously sending traffic to a a site that has it so wrong is going to be a waste of traffic. Selecting content for a tour is so important it's amazing this sponsor got it so wrong.
                                      what a coincidence. All the good pics are from you!

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                                      • Paul Markham
                                        Too old to care
                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 52942

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by nico-t
                                        what a coincidence. All the good pics are from you!
                                        Magazines were a tougher sale than site owners. The editors had a clue.



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                                        • lagcam
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2007
                                          • 2890

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                          Magazines were a tougher sale than site owners. The editors had a clue.
                                          But as you said yourself, there were less people to buy from so I am sure magazines must have had to buy the odd piece of crap to use as a filler? Probably even had to pay about $3k for it....
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                                          • Barefootsies
                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 42635

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Roald
                                            More of what exactly? I personally dont like a dialogue, specially not from an eastern european girl with a heavy accent. Ruins it for me.
                                            Same here on all accounts.
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                                            • Paul Markham
                                              Too old to care
                                              • Jun 2001
                                              • 52942

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by lagcam
                                              But as you said yourself, there were less people to buy from so I am sure magazines must have had to buy the odd piece of crap to use as a filler? Probably even had to pay about $3k for it....
                                              True there were less to buy from. There were few who could find the right girls, shoot sets correctly and knew how to make the little improvements that made a picture work. There were loads submitting to the magazines, few got through.

                                              Anyone who thinks lots weren't trying to emulate what us guys did and earn the money, is an idiot.

                                              Still the Internet changed all that and the demand for anyone who could find a girl, point a camera and do it cheap was created.

                                              The problem was the belief that content wasn't king. By people who were giving away content, using content on a tour to get a conversion and relying on content to keep the converted surfer buying from the site.

                                              Updates became more important than quality. So a site full of crap filler was adding more crap filler, so the surfer would stay for more crap filler.

                                              Did you ever understand why some sites samples got more people to go to the site, more to convert and more to rebill? Clue, it had nothing to do with traffic.

                                              But any problem with "Not enough sales" was met with the same reply. Send more traffic. Like getting more sales from the traffic you have is beyond them.
                                              Last edited by Paul Markham; 07-24-2012, 05:02 AM.



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                                              • Paul Markham
                                                Too old to care
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 52942

                                                #73
                                                Berefootsies and Roald have come up with a very good point. A lot of people don't like dialogue. Not everybody likes leg fetish, so we have a mix of sites to cater for everyone. Dialogue is only to establish her as a real person and to attract the viewer. It's not required to be done all the time. But a "I'm cumming", "more", "Yes" and other things occasionally always helps. Solo Girls, can ask if the guy is watching, joining in, even "Let me see your dick", or "Let me watch you jerk off" is a great turn on.

                                                I personally have never had sex, felt attracted to or bothered with girls who don't or can't speak. But I'm strange.

                                                As for girls with a heavy accent and very bad English, or English speaking and not able to utter an intelligent word in front of a camera. Well that's simple to solve, send her home if the product requires her speak.

                                                The same goes for girls who can only churn out a canned performance, freeze on video, or just plain unsuitable for the job. Because as much as the shooter has to make it fun, ultimately it's a job of work to produce a product for people to sell and customers to enjoy.

                                                In England I was getting loads of girls coming for interviews for the Astral Blue videos. Who simply didn't have what it takes to deliver a good performance. Sometimes one got through the interview and when they turned up for work, I learned I was wrong. she went home and was paid so long as she was trying.

                                                Online many choose girls for a product that's video based, on nothing more than a few photos. go figure why shooter after shooter keeps showing us pictures of girls. When we know we sell videos.



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                                                • Paul Markham
                                                  Too old to care
                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                  • 52942

                                                  #74
                                                  Make it personal and as if it's a piece of you.

                                                  So don't copy what everyone else is doing. Plan, design, create and build as you would like to join. Take into account and learn from others who are successful, yet don't use their work or sites as the blue print for yours. Simply because there are too many paste and copy or rinse and repeat guys churning out the same as everyone else. Most of them lack the WOW factor needed to attract customers to the join page.



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                                                  • alf6300
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Sep 2007
                                                    • 765

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                    More of what exactly? I personally dont like a dialogue, specially not from an eastern european girl with a heavy accent. Ruins it for me.
                                                    Funny how each of us has his/her own thing.
                                                    For me it's the exact opposite: very often the dialogue when it feels real is the hottest part. I may usually fast forward the banging itself.

                                                    (that upon condition that it's somewhat an authentic dialogue, rather than "My name is Irinka and me is so hot girl for you and wet very in pussy". That, yes, is a turn off )
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                                                    • DamianJ
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                      • 15808

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                      Most of them lack the WOW factor needed to attract customers to the join page.
                                                      And here is a join page from the master:



                                                      I love the title tag.

                                                      "Join to Astral Blue site"

                                                      Genius.

                                                      And don't tell me 'logo.gif' with no alt tag isn't utter SEO expertise!
                                                      Last edited by DamianJ; 07-25-2012, 07:39 AM.

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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by alf6300
                                                        Funny how each of us has his/her own thing.
                                                        For me it's the exact opposite: very often the dialogue when it feels real is the hottest part. I may usually fast forward the banging itself.

                                                        (that upon condition that it's somewhat an authentic dialogue, rather than "My name is Irinka and me is so hot girl for you and wet very in pussy". That, yes, is a turn off )
                                                        One man's meat is another man's poison.

                                                        My reason for recommending this route is so many have done the dumb model niche to death. Also it's harder than the other way, so harder to duplicate. Getting a girl to talk in the canned porn mode, isn't hard. Getting her to share herself for real is.



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                                                        • alf6300
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2007
                                                          • 765

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                          Getting a girl to talk in the canned porn mode, isn't hard. Getting her to share herself for real is.
                                                          Yup, especially if they shot a lot before, girls usually switch to "porn mode" when they see the red light of the camera on.
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                                                          • mce
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jun 2012
                                                            • 3915

                                                            #79
                                                            Distinction is definitely key. But it all boils down to quality of experience.

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                                                            • ColBigBalls
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                              • 1733

                                                              #80
                                                              So to summerize have an original idea and follow it through.

                                                              Got it.

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                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                Too old to care
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by alf6300
                                                                Yup, especially if they shot a lot before, girls usually switch to "porn mode" when they see the red light of the camera on.
                                                                True. Some girls have a camera persona that sells them. Most are clueless who just copy the same dumb mode that shooters before them accepted.

                                                                The good thing about getting a girl to be herself, even if it's hammed up a bit, is they all become different people with something individual to offer. The silent ones are just a different face.



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                                                                • pornmasta
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                                  • 20015

                                                                  #82
                                                                  to make money in porn i read paul markham tutorials

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                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 52942

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by mce
                                                                    Distinction is definitely key. But it all boils down to quality of experience.
                                                                    Yes. Some people have what it takes to know what sells, why it sells and how to create and sell it. Then the traffic knowledge is required, completely different skills.



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                                                                    • BigMemo
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                                                                      • Jun 2008
                                                                      • 4460

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by Colmike7

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                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                        • 52942

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by ColBigBalls
                                                                        So to summerize have an original idea and follow it through.

                                                                        Got it.
                                                                        So can you list us the sites who did this?



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                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 52942

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Finding a truly original idea in porn is tough, financing it even tougher. Because most of the cheap ones will of been done to death. And unless you do something that can't be copied by 100s of others, it's very soon just one of a crowd.

                                                                          The best route to stay ahead of the competition was and always will be, is the person behind the camera. Finding someone who can put his stamp onto content is very tough and usually unless you can spend a lot of money, very expensive.

                                                                          Now we see lots of the old time top guys coming into online porn, they would of come over 10 years ago, if someone had offered them the money.

                                                                          So concentrate on the content first, make it better than the rest, more personal, believable and unique to the others. We all know sites who do this and their success.



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                                                                          • nico-t
                                                                            emperor of my world
                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                            • 29903

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                            So can you list us the sites who did this?
                                                                            http://www.astral-blue.com/
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                                                                            • DamianJ
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                                              • 15808

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                              Finding a truly original idea in porn is tough, financing it even tougher.
                                                                              Yes, but don't let your failure to have an original idea after 30 years get you down.

                                                                              You tried. Which is wonderful.

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