Am I the only one that now feels the porn biz is over?

[DVTimes]

Am I the only one that now feels the porn biz is over?

Look at this forum, these days there are very few pornbiz posts.

Its over in truth.

People no longer buy porn but get it free.

OK you may get some sales but these are just the remains of the day.

[BIGTYMER]

It's on life support.

[Barefootsies]

The porn business mirrors real life.

The middle class is mostly gone now. Either by choice, buy out, or paper hat. After all of the mergers and consolidations, you have some big guys with all of the dollars, cash, traffic, and content. With the remaining piss ants or beer money barons chasing down a few bucks between shifts on the fry-o-lator.

There are a few of the middle market guys still floating around. But not in the volume they once were. Those left still seem to be happy working in the porn business, and able to feed their families. However, the dream of millions and 2001 riches is over.

[LeeD]

The porn business mirrors real life.

The middle class is mostly gone now. Either by choice, buy out, or paper hat. After all of the mergers and consolidations, you have some big guys with all of the dollars, cash, traffic, and content. With the remaining piss ants or beer money barons chasing down a few bucks between shifts on the fry-o-lator.

There are a few of the middle market guys still floating around. But not in the volume they once were. Those left still seem to be happy working in the porn business, and able to feed their families. However, the dream of millions and 2001 riches is over.

Good summation of things.

[Babaganoosh]

Look at this forum, these days there are very few pornbiz posts.

Did you really just type that?

Most of your posts are made just to regurgitate something you found on dailymail.co.uk.

[2012]

[XSAXS]

There's no money in porn.

[B.Barnato]

I regularly start business threads.

[OldJeff]

No one ever made any money in online porn

[Paul Markham]

Don't silly Adam, Jeff will tell you what's happening. 100,000 members are signing up every day.

To MFC, Chaturbate, Pornhub, Youporn, AFF for the free option, and many more free sites. LOL

[OldJeff]

Don't silly Adam, Jeff will tell you what's happening. 100,000 members are signing up every day.

To MFC, Chaturbate, Pornhub, Youporn, AFF for the free option, and many more free sites. LOL

Sadly Paul, making money in online porn is something you will never know about.

[Bryan G]

I sell traffic and lots of it. So yes people that are buying this traffic are selling memberships.

[papill0n]

good

fuck off then adam blake you fucking pathetic piece of shit

[DWB]

The porn business mirrors real life.

The middle class is mostly gone now. Either by choice, buy out, or paper hat. After all of the mergers and consolidations, you have some big guys with all of the dollars, cash, traffic, and content. With the remaining piss ants or beer money barons chasing down a few bucks between shifts on the fry-o-lator.

There are a few of the middle market guys still floating around. But not in the volume they once were. Those left still seem to be happy working in the porn business, and able to feed their families. However, the dream of millions and 2001 riches is over.

Good post.

I don't make the money I used to make, but I'm still turning a profit, so it's all good. However, one drop to my income is due to when I stopped producing DVDs. That was a good chunk of money every month. I stopped making them because they were ending up being sold on the streets here in Thailand (bootlegs) and causing problems for the girls who were in them.

[Paul Markham]

Sadly Paul, making money in online porn is something you will never know about.

How do you work that one out?

I've been making money in online porn since mid 90s. Where do you think some sites that didn't steal got content from?

[Paul Markham]

Good post.

I don't make the money I used to make, but I'm still turning a profit, so it's all good. However, one drop to my income is due to when I stopped producing DVDs. That was a good chunk of money every month. I stopped making them because they were ending up being sold on the streets here in Thailand (bootlegs) and causing problems for the girls who were in them.

Does anyone make what they used to?

Maybe a few programs by picking up other peoples sales when they quit. We still make a profit, we do nothing to very little and once the server bill is paid it's all profit. Allows me to live off what we made in the last 12-13 years. A lot of it from the online section of the business.

[Paul Markham]

So stop crying and update your sites regularly with the best design, content, and marketing you can afford.

Some sites have done that well recently. time will tell if it worked for them. The shame is for what most have to spend, they're not going to get anything of quality.

While people were making money easily in the mid 2000s. Some did invest in their whole product and it paid them back handsomely. Most kept throwing out garbage and spent it on marketing only. Most of them are struggling. Surfers are real tough to market shit to these days.

[epitome]

If you feel like that if means it's over for you as stats are what matter and not people posing on a board.

Don't turn into a Paul Markham and stick to what you know, which is little.

[papill0n]

Some sites have done that well recently. time will tell if it worked for them. The shame is for what most have to spend, they're not going to get anything of quality.

While people were making money easily in the mid 2000s. Some did invest in their whole product and it paid them back handsomely. Most kept throwing out garbage and spent it on marketing only. Most of them are struggling. Surfers are real tough to market shit to these days.

good god man just shoot yourself

[Klen]

Porn is not dead,it just most of the money goes to hands of few big players.

[lazycash]

Am I the only one that now feels the porn biz is over?

Have you been missing all of Paul's threads over the last year?

Look at this forum, these days there are very few pornbiz posts.

You're probably the #1 contributor to cluttering up this board with non adult biz threads.

[seeme]

Everyone wants to jerk off. No one wants the same content, people are willing to spend money on it. Google controls where the visitors go ;)

[Pink Misfit]

I am making more now than I was 10 years ago.

[Best-In-BC]

Sadly Paul, making money in online porn is something you will never know about.

Got that right

[wehateporn]

It just needs more brains and understanding than it once did, unless you get lucky

[Eyeball]

Everyone wants to jerk off. No one wants the same content, people are willing to spend money on it. Google controls where the visitors go ;)

Are you saying that you and the rest of the 'adapters' are going to start financing this much seeked content?

[maxjohan]

Is the Advertising for other porn companies, Gone?
Is the Porn searches, from the major search engines, Gone?
Has the porn buyers anything new and exciting to buy?

Are you updating your sites and trying everything you can to convert visitors to life long fans and possible subscribers to your own or other peoples membership sites?

Are you building a business or a website/websites?

This is just some of the questions you should ask yourself. In my opinion that is.

[atalkingapple]

You know what they say.'Shitty servers make shitty tips' Kind of the same way in porn. If your shitty at selling things your going to make shitty money. Its all in your sales techniques.

[maxjohan]

I mean, "mature porn" gets 550,000 searches a month in broad terms, only in the USA.

The estimated CPC for advertising in Google under these two words are around $0.206 per click. This is on the broad terms for "mature porn". It's less on the "exact" keywords. But anyway...

If there's advertisers out there spending money. Somebody is making money. Most likely.

[Paul Markham]

Paul, the problem with giving you good/great advice, less then a week later you'll ask/say the same thing. So here's my last attempt. You don't have to spend a boatload of money to get a site designed properly. For instance, having a VERY complex WPMU networks (recently) re-designed by a guy I met at Odesk who's charged me a whopping $450.

This guys specialty was to design WP themes around adSense sales. Did it work? - Yes, it took 4.5 days to recoup my investment as I then contracted him for the rest of my networks.

My point? The good designers and professional people are out there if you just simply look, but the main problem? - You as most, don't have a clue on what you want or truly need. You actually expect the person you're hiring to know as they usually don't know, but have no problem charging you "in the know" prices.

Good designs are pretty cheap, $5,000 and a bit more would of got you a good design. A CMS isn't expensive either. We had to build one ourselves for the content stores as the off the shelf then weren't suitable in our opinion. Still off the shelve ones were around.

The problem was content. In the early days before affordable digital cameras, it was a case of scanning slides. Digitising videos wasn't hard as the cameras by then were around. Yet speeds were slow for video. So buying content was a problem for most.

Then digital stills cameras came out and every webmaster with a site, decided he could now shoot porn. No idea how to make a girl work properly, find one, angles, setting or anything. So most decided to shoot "Amateur Cameraman" style and say this is what the surfer really wanted.

As you say good people were out there who had been shooting porn for years and very good at it. Yet they were expensive and filling a site with their work was way beyond the purse of most. Still if Bangbus, Alsscan and a few others could do it, so could they. So there wasn't a need for a good product.

And 1,000s of rubbish sites popped up that were lucky to get a sale off 1,000 views on a TGP site. Not clicks on a banner, actual people who saw the samples and then went through the tour to buy.

Most of the success you hear on this forum always has some BS attached to it. I've seen someone post they buy big houses and planes posting BS stats just to say on ICQ, dude I am going broke, my wife is leaving me, and need help. Or they'll fly around to world to all the conventions to keep up their passed persona as they'll liquidate real assets to do this even at a loss. These dumb clowns actually bought into the life as they'll never leave it.

Agreed. That's why when people with silly nick names and nothing of value that they own in their signature get much respect from me.

Although most will "try" to transition into some type MS? Most will fail miserably because it's actually real marketing and real web-work. Meaning, you need to spend the time and money on the process of elimination to make it profitable. In short, you'll lose massive amounts of money until you understand, you're the problem, adjust, do what needs to be done, collect real money, or move on.

Marketing a shit product is really tough. Somewhere along the line the surfer has to see content to be convinced the site is worth his $30 a month. All the written promises in the world will not convince him average porn is great porn. Unless you rely on always conning the foolish, the ultimate converter is the product.

So when you say shit like, Surfers are real tough to market- It ain't the arrows there Chief that's the problem./

So what conversion rate do you think would show surfers are easy to convert? I would say convincing 1% of surfers who see the product is pretty poor. And there's the main area of disagreement. What online porn people accept as bloody marvellous. I think is pretty shitty. You can find any excuse you like to hide the truth like 99% will never buy. simple truth is converting 1-100 proves Surfers are real tough to market and the only way to improve it is with the product.

[lucas131]

there is no monkey in porn

[papill0n]

there is no monkey in porn

what about your monkey ????

[Paul Markham]

Is the Advertising for other porn companies, Gone?
Is the Porn searches, from the major search engines, Gone?
Has the porn buyers anything new and exciting to buy?

Are you updating your sites and trying everything you can to convert visitors to life long fans and possible subscribers to your own or other peoples membership sites?

Are you building a business or a website/websites?

This is just some of the questions you should ask yourself. In my opinion that is.

There has never been so many people looking at porn as there is today. As far as porn alone is concerned the Internet has made it widely available for nearly everyone in the world.

The problem is as I pointed out, the conversion rates from looking at porn to buying porn. Even with all the selling techniques possible ultimately it relies on someone seeing a site with porn on that motivates him enough to reach for his credit card. Even an impulse buy, needs the content to create the impulse. Now unless someone has invented the greatest sales blurb ever, that hasn't been copied. The samples are the stimulus.

You ask this. Has the porn buyers anything new and exciting to buy? The answer is very rarely. It's not hard to create something, it's just too expensive for most. It was in good old days for some, it's impossible for most now. Doing what Babes.com, Orgasms.xxx and Whengirlsplay.com plus some others. Isn't hard. It just needs money.

[lucas131]

what about your monkey ????

because she is white doenst mean she must be in porn but you are right sextape is on the way

[DVTimes]

Porn is free on porn tubes.

For 99.99% of people that is how people look at porn.

We have generations of people who presume porn is free.

No one in there right mind would join a pay site.

No one in there right mind would pay for porn today.

I was looking at joing a pay site a few years ago, but I found all the conternt on a tube site. No need to join.

[lucas131]

Porn is free on porn tubes.

For 99.99% of people that is how people look at porn.

We have generations of people who presume porn is free.

No one in there right mind would join a pay site.

No one in there right mind would pay for porn today.

I was looking at joing a pay site a few years ago, but I found all the conternt on a tube site. No need to join.

what about to join the site just to support the author? i am buying everything where i see the value and where i see that the support is the only thing i can do for the author. so, enjoy your free things, hope you will not enter some house that will be open to get something for free

[Paul Markham]

No need to join.

You said it all there. When a system based on no need to buy, replaces one where they had to buy. Arguing that is sells more is stupid. Pointing to a few who do well as an indicator that the whole business is flourishing is stupid.

Remember the numerous "Gold Rushes". A few hit it rich, most came home penniless. A few in online porn made it rich, most don't make more than any decent day job would pay.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

there is no monkey in porn

what about your monkey ????

Is DV Times even really in the industry?



ADG

[mineistaken]

WTS for the rest reading this, it's never truly over. Mr. Peabody proved this. He took a simple and easy to remember brand and in a few years alone, rocked it! I don't know the guy, but easy to see a simple to understand proper methodical business approach and well, turned successful for him.

I don't market porn anything anymore, but if I did, I'd rock his affiliate program because of his methodical professionalism as that guy couldn't give a shit about "porn is dying" fucking crybabies on this forum.

Is that peabody cash? I don't see why would it be a good seller. Tours looks like those from 1995 and with outdated, non exclusive content.

[MaDalton]

if porn is dead why am i so stressed?

[CaptainHowdy]

It's not that simple ...

[Failed]

Luckily for me I started promoting porn when it was already declared dead on the boards by some. I had no expectations other than to expand my mainstream profits into something I saw as recession resistant. I figured a guy was likely to jerk off rather than buy a blender when times were tough.

My affiliate plans were to work hard, promote programs, and shoot for a small paycheck every week. I accomplished that and now I'm looking to give myself a little raise every few months. There will never be a day where I expected to become rich from this business, or not work extremely hard to make the money I do.

To me, the industry is alive and kicking and I'm reaping the rewards that I expected.

[DVTimes]

what about to join the site just to support the author? i am buying everything where i see the value and where i see that the support is the only thing i can do for the author. so, enjoy your free things, hope you will not enter some house that will be open to get something for free

99.99% of people could not care less.

your living in coude cook-coo if you think anyone would care about that.

today 99.999999% people just go direct to porn tube sites.

sure you may get 0.0000000000001% who may join. but no industry can survive like that.

its over.

why pretend otherwise.

it was good while it lasted.

we see sites close each day or runb out of cash to pay affiliates.

its only going to get worse.

[DVTimes]

You said it all there. When a system based on no need to buy, replaces one where they had to buy. Arguing that is sells more is stupid. Pointing to a few who do well as an indicator that the whole business is flourishing is stupid.

Remember the numerous "Gold Rushes". A few hit it rich, most came home penniless. A few in online porn made it rich, most don't make more than any decent day job would pay.

its also not easy to buy.

not everyone has a credit card. i have never got one as i have never needed one.

today 90.999% of seaches of porn in google often give you a porn tube link as well.

if your 18 and today went on the net for the first time, you would presume porn was free. pay sites would seem strange.

i just could not see any reason to join a porn site today when i can find all its content instantly on a porn tube.

some of these sites get a million hits per clip in a day. none will join the site and none will want to.

[lucas131]

99.99% of people could not care less.

your living in coude cook-coo if you think anyone would care about that.

today 99.999999% people just go direct to porn tube sites.

sure you may get 0.0000000000001% who may join. but no industry can survive like that.

its over.

why pretend otherwise.

it was good while it lasted.

we see sites close each day or runb out of cash to pay affiliates.

its only going to get worse.

i dont see sites closing daily, i see sites launching daily, as you can see on 6bot.com and more is cooking, so i think not everyone have the same feeling as you wish you best with your business everyone!

[DVTimes]

i find it fun to read a post saying xxxxxxcashthing.com has started up and will pay $5000 per sale.

everyone gets excited.

a few months later they run out of cash.

everyone gets angry.

then a week later another site pops up and people get excited again.

a few years ago it was all business this and business that and look at my $1 million car i just got and how we are all rich. today its look i made enough to buy a cup of tea.

this business is dead. only a fool or a lyer would say otherwise.

[DVTimes]

i dont see sites closing daily, i see sites launching daily, as you can see on 6bot.com and more is cooking, so i think not everyone have the same feeling as you wish you best with your business everyone!

most new sites are just purchased a set of pics and make a site out of them. very low cost.

i have not seen any real sites for ages. by this sites that are shot in house and up to full sex.

you can set up one of these solo girl sites cheap, with content for under $100 that you rotate. most people know that most members will join at most for 1 month so they do not update but rotate.

i know many one time big sites have not updated for over 2 years.

a lot of sites are now just ignored. some well known sites even have problems with the sign up page, and its simply been ignored for a year.

i had a look at 6bot.com and none of the new sites seen anything much. none look like any i would even bother to look at if they were free, nore mind paying to join.

and the thing is, the content will (if its not already) be on tube sites.

[B.Barnato]

If porn is dead, why is my penis hard?

[Chosen]

Yes, you are the only one

[mineistaken]

if porn is dead why am i so stressed?

because you lost your income (porn dead = np content sales).
I think you wanted to say "why am I NOT stressed"