What's with the attitude from designers?
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Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -
That depends. Development & Design work is not like buying a cheeseburger. When you hire a developer, this is a temporary partnership to have someone else build YOUR ideas into reality, more often than not, because it's something that you don't have the skills necessary to do yourself, or simply don't have the time. Treating that person like you are "King" would be a mistake.
That would be like hiring an architect for your house, then treating them like a taxi driver. Probably not a good idea, and definitely an unprofessional attitude.
"when the job and the results are not done correctly"
I have to ask... Are you providing detailed requirements up front, or are you pushing an waterfall / scope-creep project on someone, then expecting them to be psychic? Once they deliver the bound-to-be-wrong project, you get to wave your "King Stick" at them and tell them how they messed up. Good one.
i can only speak about myself - and i usually prepare stuff for my programmer very well. And he understands the way i prepare it and usually builds it that way. But I am the one who pays and if he forgets something or fails to test the code before he puts it live and screws something up, i have the right to be unhappy.
Like my clients have the right to be unhappy when we screw something up they paid for. then it's my obligation to fix things instead of argueing or getting cocky.
Feel free to ask any of my clients if they're happy with my service, i would dare to say you will get a very positive feedback.
And the same attitude that i have towards my clients who pay me, i have towards the people I pay. Nothing more and nothing less.Comment
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I can vouch for being a happy customer of yoursi can only speak about myself - and i usually prepare stuff for my programmer very well. And he understands the way i prepare it and usually builds it that way. But I am the one who pays and if he forgets something or fails to test the code before he puts it live and screws something up, i have the right to be unhappy.
Like my clients have the right to be unhappy when we screw something up they paid for. then it's my obligation to fix things instead of argueing or getting cocky.
Feel free to ask any of my clients if they're happy with my service, i would dare to say you will get a very positive feedback.
And the same attitude that i have towards my clients who pay me, i have towards the people I pay. Nothing more and nothing less.
I do get what some people are trying to say. That respect goes both ways and that both parties in a transaction need to be liable for the conduct. I also agree that just because I am paying for something, does not give me any right to be a total and utter cock to the person who is selling.
At no point in my conversation with this lady did I say anything to insult her. After she replied to me, these are the emails that followed:
Her reply:Code:Hi Anna, As a customer who is looking for a designer, I think it is my prerogative to give you an idea of what I like and dislike so YOU as the designer can get a better idea of what I am looking for. I find it highly insulting that you would come back to me with a reply like this. You're punishing me because I happen to like the colours on the site of one of your competitors? Don't you think that is a little petty?
At this stage, I'd written her off and replied:Code:It is also my prerogative who i work for. Your second example link contains keywords that make me shudder.... And i wasnt being petty. If you like the work of another designer then it seems reasonable to hire them and not someone else.
She had to get the last word in; her reply:Code:I realise it is also your prerogative to decline work but your reply to me was plain unprofessional. The domain name you have a problem with is a site from a respected sponsor deiselaction which is the only reason I sent it to you. I am not in the habit of sending illegal links to people. Please don't bother replying to this email as I am no longer interested in anything you have to say.
And before anyone asks, all these emails were traded BEFORE I posted about this on here.Code:Ditto
I find it unimaginable that a person would conduct themselves like this with prospective buyers.Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.Comment
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Yo Razor read this article http://paffg.com/blog/ask-a-graphic-...gimme-website/ , then think to yourself and laughComment
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I find that most.. (not all) creative types, Artists and Programmers, aren't much good at the people side of business. It just goes with the territory and takes a certain type of person to do the job. That having been said, what G-W replied would have most people who don't own their own business fired. She can do whatever she wants since it is her business, but she should expect some backlash for it, and should perhaps hire someone who is good at being a mediator between her and the client.Rich"at"rebel-ads.com
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I'm with you 100% on this. You're the one with the money and you don't need to be dissed. Spend your money where you get treated with the proper respect and gratitude.I never said she didn't have a right to handle it that way. I am questioning WHY handle it that way? I don't know anything about her issue with Zuzana or anyone else; I am a customer looking to get work done. If you don't want to work with me, why not tell me so politely? Why give me attitude when I was kind enough to offer you my business?
So no, on second thoughts, I don't think she has any fucking right to treat her potential customers that way. That's just wrong!Comment
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Yo Razor read this article http://paffg.com/blog/ask-a-graphic-...gimme-website/ , then think to yourself and laughIf that article is for real, then I'm really confused -Tell us about your design experience and what you offer to clients
The most satisfying ?design experience? for both parties can be achieved when I know exactly what the client needs/is expecting and the client knows exactly what information I need to make the best of their content and to make the site sell. I don?t claim to be the expert in every niche, so every design process starts with a lot of questions! I often ask the client to give me keywords (such as grungy, sleek, fresh) ? a quick and efficient way to give me an impression about the image in the clients head. I also appreciate screenshots/links to existing websites with a specific style/elements/details they?ve seen and liked
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.Comment
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Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.Comment
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In all seriousness, if you really want to do something unique, one option is to find a mainstream designer who has a style that you really like. Then try to pair him/her with an adult designer who has experience in making the type of site you want.

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