What's with the attitude from designers?

**Deej** · 07-11-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

Hi emailed this designer, Anna from gimme-website, with a preliminary spiel of what I was looking for. This is my email:

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Hello Anna,

I'm looking for a design that is compliant (HTML5 and CSS3).  It needs to be stylish and unique.  I like the colours and the grunge feel of this site:
http://www.zuzanadesigns.com/chris2/pornpunk/site/

I like the stylishness of this site:
http://www.younglegalporn.com/
It has a very modern feel to it which I like

I want the tube style design for both members and non members plus all other mechbunny pages for member profiles, etc.

Please let me know if this is something you can do and how much it would cost.  If you need further details, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Her reply to me was less than courteous and just reeked of attitde:

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Sorry (my name here), but i refuse to click either of those links.
Maybe you should hire zuzanna if you like their work so much. ??

Anna x

What is happening to people working in this industry that is making them behave this way? I just don't get it.

...

I can explain this easily. She dislikes zuzana and her outfit. You gave her examples from probably the one designer she quite possibly despises the most.

While I dont think it was proper handling... She has the right to handle it that way.

**Ayla_SquareTurtle** · 07-11-2012, 11:58 AM

oh boy, here we go...

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Deej

I can explain this easily. She dislikes zuzana and her outfit. You gave her examples from probably the one designer she quite possibly despises the most.

While I dont think it was proper handling... She has the right to handle it that way.

I never said she didn't have a right to handle it that way. I am questioning WHY handle it that way? I don't know anything about her issue with Zuzana or anyone else; I am a customer looking to get work done. If you don't want to work with me, why not tell me so politely? Why give me attitude when I was kind enough to offer you my business?

So no, on second thoughts, I don't think she has any fucking right to treat her potential customers that way. That's just wrong!

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

oh boy, here we go...

Ayla, I've been on GFY since 2001 and have just over 1100 posts, I'm hardly someone looking to start any drama. This email though just rubbed me the wrong way! Total disrespect for a potential customer!

I just can't begin to think why someone would want to come across this way?

**papill0n** · 07-11-2012, 12:04 PM

why would you even consider her ?

as you can see from her reaction she is a stuck up little bitch with a horrible attitude.

i wouldnt work with that slag is she was the last designer online

**papill0n** · 07-11-2012, 12:08 PM

mate you need to search this bitch - she is a real piece of work

**kazymjir** · 07-11-2012, 12:10 PM

She just showed that she is not a professional designer but a jealous little girl.

**AlCapone** · 07-11-2012, 12:10 PM

This again?

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071267

Just do a search for her She is consistently unprofessional.

**candyflip** · 07-11-2012, 12:12 PM

That's her attitude. Even after agreeing that maybe she should probably be a little less of a bitch, it seems apparent to me that she just can't help herself.

She isn't acting like a bitch, she is one. And doesn't care what you think.

**SmutHammer** · 07-11-2012, 12:16 PM

If anyone you are paying gives you the slightest attitude, fire them. It's that simple.

If they have an attitude before you hire them, move on to the next person.

**B.Barnato** · 07-11-2012, 12:21 PM

Another gimme website success story.

PMS 24/7

**Rebel D** · 07-11-2012, 12:22 PM

if you need a designer i know the best around

**baddog** · 07-11-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

I never said she didn't have a right to handle it that way. I am questioning WHY handle it that way? I don't know anything about her issue with Zuzana or anyone else; I am a customer looking to get work done. If you don't want to work with me, why not tell me so politely? Why give me attitude when I was kind enough to offer you my business?

So no, on second thoughts, I don't think she has any fucking right to treat her potential customers that way. That's just wrong!

Most likely she is skittish about dealing with anyone from GFY; or she has more work than she knows what to do with. Another possibility is pricing. Is Zuzana significantly cheaper?

**BradBreakfast** · 07-11-2012, 12:26 PM

Zuzana design work is very good from what I've seen. I don't know nor would hire somebody with a domain of "gimme-website"

**2012** · 07-11-2012, 12:37 PM

my pussy hurts

**xNetworx** · 07-11-2012, 12:42 PM

Very unprofessional but not surprising

**jimmycooper** · 07-11-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

Ayla, I've been on GFY since 2001 and have just over 1100 posts, I'm hardly someone looking to start any drama. This email though just rubbed me the wrong way! Total disrespect for a potential customer!

I just can't begin to think why someone would want to come across this way?

Insecurity. Plain and simple.

With that being said, and note that I've only hired designers for mainstream projects, it seems the nutty ones do tend to do the best work. But only a genuine nutty, not a forced nutty. Not too contrived. This one is contrived.

I also can even appreciate it when a designer has a confidence level bordering on delusional. But only provided they have the portfolio to at least somewhat back it up. This one doesn't come close.

Attitude is not problem to deal with whatsoever. Cunts, on the other hand, can be a bit of hassle. Even those of which are contrived.

**Ayla_SquareTurtle** · 07-11-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

Ayla, I've been on GFY since 2001 and have just over 1100 posts, I'm hardly someone looking to start any drama. This email though just rubbed me the wrong way! Total disrespect for a potential customer!

I just can't begin to think why someone would want to come across this way?

Not sure how you took my post, but to clarify, I was only referring to the fact that this board was covered with posts about this designer just weeks ago, and, "here we go" again. Please do carry on.

**Naughty** · 07-11-2012, 01:21 PM

I knew my time would come, i've been quiet for years about her;-)

Few years back we needed a new logo, so we spoke with some people. We gave her a chance, here's what happened:

- She drew a draft, we did not like it. We asked for changes after the FIRST draft, she asked for more money, obviously we did not agree and chose to not take her work and let her keep the 50%.

We did thousands of banners and other designs for many many big clients here, we always went for 100% satisfaction, or take our losses. That is what a draft is for, right?

She went mad, calling us names and threathen us. After that she followed me for a short while here, replying in each thread we were cheaters and did not pay, whgereas I was under the impression we were very kind to let her keep 50% for a draft.

I knew she was bad news, but since we're not here a lot I thought she might be the 'new generation' so i kept quiet. Now i see i was right about her, i hope she does not get any more jobs through GFY, if you're wise, you stay away.

We then hired from the more established bunch, which obviously went fine.

My 2c

**Deej** · 07-11-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

I never said she didn't have a right to handle it that way. I am questioning WHY handle it that way? I don't know anything about her issue with Zuzana or anyone else; I am a customer looking to get work done. If you don't want to work with me, why not tell me so politely? Why give me attitude when I was kind enough to offer you my business?

So no, on second thoughts, I don't think she has any fucking right to treat her potential customers that way. That's just wrong!

dude. im not sticking up for what she said or did. and yes treating people like that is a bad thing. its poor ethics. but, her doing that has given you a bad taste... what could be any more fitting for that reaction? none.

so... yes she has a right to treat you like that and equally you have the right to not use her service and you also have the right to post about it here, letting others see how you were treated.

Why am I the only one that can see black and white around here? not gray.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Most likely she is skittish about dealing with anyone from GFY; or she has more work than she knows what to do with. Another possibility is pricing. Is Zuzana significantly cheaper?

I honestly have no idea what Zuzana charges, not do I know what Anna charges. Obviously price will play some part in my decision process but it won't play the ONLY part.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

why would you even consider her ?

as you can see from her reaction she is a stuck up little bitch with a horrible attitude.

i wouldnt work with that slag is she was the last designer online

I saw the threads mate, even laughed about it with someone on icq. However, business is business and I like to form my own opinions of people and had never interacted with her before. As it turns out, I won't be interacting with her ever again!

**ZeroHero** · 07-11-2012, 01:46 PM

this days ppl like you should send a message on [email protected]

cheers

**papill0n** · 07-11-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

I saw the threads mate, even laughed about it with someone on icq. However, business is business and I like to form my own opinions of people and had never interacted with her before. As it turns out, I won't be interacting with her ever again!

and that is fair enough too. i also like to form opinions based on my own personal experience wherever possible

its good you were able to establish this before any money changed hands

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Not sure how you took my post, but to clarify, I was only referring to the fact that this board was covered with posts about this designer just weeks ago, and, "here we go" again. Please do carry on.

You're right Ayla, I did take it the wrong way, I apologise. Friends?

Originally posted by Deej

dude. im not sticking up for what she said or did. and yes treating people like that is a bad thing. its poor ethics. but, her doing that has given you a bad taste... what could be any more fitting for that reaction? none.

so... yes she has a right to treat you like that and equally you have the right to not use her service and you also have the right to post about it here, letting others see how you were treated.

Why am I the only one that can see black and white around here? not gray.

Deej, honestly, I don't know you except for seeing you post on here, and from what I've seen you seem like a decent guy. I do have to ask though; why do you think she has a right to treat me or ANY other potential client with blatant disrespect straight off the bat? If this is what people think is "ok", then it's no wonder the world is going so drastically wrong.

INSPITE of everything I have read about her on the boards over the last month or so, I went to her offering her my business, because no matter what her issues were or are with other people, I thought they would be far removed from any business dealings she had with me since I was never involved in any of that drama.

I'm sorry, but you can see this as black and white is you like, but to me and anyone else who is being REAL, it is blatant disrespect for a client. I honestly can't believe she replied like that and have never had anyone reply like that in all the years I have been in business.

**Sly** · 07-11-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Ed Hammer

If anyone you are paying gives you the slightest attitude, fire them. It's that simple.

If they have an attitude before you hire them, move on to the next person.

If you follow that rule with creative people, you are going to be paying for a lot of garbage. :-)

Designers, programmers, other creative people? Notorious for being nuts. Some are more nuts than others. Sometimes you just have to deal with the craziness if you want good results.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Rebel D

if you need a designer i know the best around

Dev, how you doing mate? Hitting you up on ICQ now.

**donkevlar** · 07-11-2012, 01:54 PM

No designs for you. Nexxxtttt!!!!

**Deej** · 07-11-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

You're right Ayla, I did take it the wrong way, I apologise. Friends?

Deej, honestly, I don't know you except for seeing you post on here, and from what I've seen you seem like a decent guy. I do have to ask though; why do you think she has a right to treat me or ANY other potential client with blatant disrespect straight off the bat? If this is what people think is "ok", then it's no wonder the world is going so drastically wrong.

INSPITE of everything I have read about her on the boards over the last month or so, I went to her offering her my business, because no matter what her issues were or are with other people, I thought they would be far removed from any business dealings she had with me since I was never involved in any of that drama.

I'm sorry, but you can see this as black and white is you like, but to me and anyone else who is being REAL, it is blatant disrespect for a client. I honestly can't believe she replied like that and have never had anyone reply like that in all the years I have been in business.

and I agree with you 100%...

If she wants to ruin her integrity and reputation by replying like that and running off more potential business... then by all means she can do that.

I get it, youre offended by the response. You did what you had to. Present it to your colleagues to see.

I was more or less just pointing out her flaw and her distaste for her competition. I am in no way sticking up for her response. Simply saying she can crash and burn all she wants. no skin off your teeth... right?

Im on your side bro

**Deej** · 07-11-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Ed Hammer

If anyone you are paying gives you the slightest attitude, fire them. It's that simple.

If they have an attitude before you hire them, move on to the next person.

So, does the same go for clients? Slightest attitude... stop working for them?

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

and that is fair enough too. i also like to form opinions based on my own personal experience wherever possible

its good you were able to establish this before any money changed hands

ALTHOUGH ... I SHOULD probably have taken heed of those threads. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" and all ...

LOL - I can't believe how pissed off I am

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Deej

and I agree with you 100%...

If she wants to ruin her integrity and reputation by replying like that and running off more potential business... then by all means she can do that.

I get it, youre offended by the response. You did what you had to. Present it to your colleagues to see.

I was more or less just pointing out her flaw and her distaste for her competition. I am in no way sticking up for her response. Simply saying she can crash and burn all she wants. no skin off your teeth... right?

Im on your side bro

Yeah, I guess you can say the response offended me

If I have to get use to this "new way of doing business" then I'll seriously have to consider getting thicker skin.

**DarkJedi** · 07-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

This email though just rubbed me the wrong way!

you sound like a pussy

**Barefootsies** · 07-11-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

Yeah, I guess you can say the response offended me

If I have to get use to this "new way of doing business" then I'll seriously have to consider getting thicker skin.

Yes. You should get one.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

you sound like a pussy

Thank you DJ, I'm glad you dropped in with your keen ability to sort through posts on a message board and get right to the heart of what is really important!

**selena** · 07-11-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

I emailed this designer, Anna from gimme-website,

That was was your first, and only mistake in that exchange.

**adultdomainseller** · 07-11-2012, 02:28 PM

You can't afford Anna and she doesn't work with stupid people, double negative for you.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by selena

That was was your first, and only mistake in that exchange.

Lesson learned I guess

Originally posted by adultdomainseller

You can't afford Anna and she doesn't work with stupid people, double negative for you.

Yes, you're right, I can't afford Anna and I'm stupid. You're very clever and you can afford Anna. Does that make you happy?

**selena** · 07-11-2012, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

Lesson learned I guess

Overall, I think it is a good thing to use the measure of how someone treats us personally as the gauge, and not go by what is on the boards.

However, when there are multiple incidents, that is the time to consider that it might not just be a clash of personalities, but rather that one of the parties might be prone to major episodes, no matter who they are dealing with.

**geedub** · 07-11-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by adultdomainseller

You can't afford Anna and she doesn't work with stupid people, double negative for you.

Tom?????????

**MrCain** · 07-11-2012, 04:04 PM

After the way she attacked Fris, why would anyone want to hire her?

**machinegunkelly** · 07-11-2012, 07:06 PM

unfortunate, I Had tried to give her some advice recently, went about as well as your quote request

hit me up, I have a design that seems to fit what you are looking for, but can't post it here (was done for a reseller as is most of my stuff)

**- Jesus Christ -** · 07-11-2012, 07:15 PM

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." -Oscar Wilde

**CyberHustler** · 07-11-2012, 07:19 PM

Fuck these pompous pricks.

This is the reason I do shit myself or use sites like fiverr. If you find the right guy on fiverr you pay 5 bucks, get delivery within 24 hours and he will kiss your ass while handing over 3 or 5 different versions of kick ass designs that he is happy to change for you to meet your needs.

**k0nr4d** · 07-11-2012, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by CyberHustler

Fuck these pompous pricks.

This is the reason I do shit myself or use sites like fiverr. If you find the right guy on fiverr you pay 5 bucks, get delivery within 24 hours and he will kiss your ass while handing over 3 or 5 different versions of kick ass designs that he is happy to change for you to meet your needs.

I don't think i'd feel right paying $5 for a layout only... seems like taking advantage of someone.

**RazorSharpe** · 07-11-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by selena

Overall, I think it is a good thing to use the measure of how someone treats us personally as the gauge, and not go by what is on the boards.

However, when there are multiple incidents, that is the time to consider that it might not just be a clash of personalities, but rather that one of the parties might be prone to major episodes, no matter who they are dealing with.

You do have a point and if there is one mistake I make is that I don't vet people via the search. In this case however, I WAS aware of the attitude she's shown during the whole Fris debacle but put that down to a person who was caught between a rock and a hard place and figured she's just chosen fight over flight.

Originally posted by machinegunkelly

unfortunate, I Had tried to give her some advice recently, went about as well as your quote request

hit me up, I have a design that seems to fit what you are looking for, but can't post it here (was done for a reseller as is most of my stuff)

I'll send you an email in a few minutes. I actually looked at your site before gimme-website but saw you were on a fulltime gig.

**machinegunkelly** · 07-11-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by RazorSharpe

You do have a point and if there is one mistake I make is that I don't vet people via the search. In this case however, I WAS aware of the attitude she's shown during the whole Fris debacle but put that down to a person who was caught between a rock and a hard place and figured she's just chosen fight over flight.

I'll send you an email in a few minutes. I actually looked at your site before gimme-website but saw you were on a fulltime gig.

Perfect, I'm off to bed, but will reply FTIM

I'm full time, but still booking on the side,
That said, if you need it super fast.. I'm not the guy.

**Deej** · 07-12-2012, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by machinegunkelly

unfortunate, I Had tried to give her some advice recently, went about as well as your quote request

hit me up, I have a design that seems to fit what you are looking for, but can't post it here (was done for a reseller as is most of my stuff)

You too?

**lucas131** · 07-12-2012, 02:13 AM

she just dont have the skills, and she is just a pussy to tell you directly

What's with the attitude from designers?

What's with the attitude from designers?

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