only when you can afford it :winkwink:

unllike many others here i have worked in a real business before, selling medical equipment for Siemens. I dealt with doctors and a lot of money. and sometimes i was screaming inside while politely smiling on the outside.

if someone can not deal with clients, he/she should not work in a job where that is required

but when i am the client and it's my money, i can become quite pesky too - when the job and the results are not done correctly.

the customer is king

Indeed it is. Of course, to some degree. If a customer crosses the line and shows no respect whatsoever, i walk away, however customers should be treated nice in almost any circumstances.

probably 12 posts, but knows everything about everyone ;)

Customer gives money that freelancer need, freelancer gives a product that customer need.
In their both interests is to make a deal, so they BOTH should respect themselves.
Nobody should be above, both of them should be equal.

That depends. Development & Design work is not like buying a cheeseburger. When you hire a developer, this is a temporary partnership to have someone else build YOUR ideas into reality, more often than not, because it's something that you don't have the skills necessary to do yourself, or simply don't have the time. Treating that person like you are "King" would be a mistake.

That would be like hiring an architect for your house, then treating them like a taxi driver. Probably not a good idea, and definitely an unprofessional attitude.

"when the job and the results are not done correctly"

I have to ask... Are you providing detailed requirements up front, or are you pushing an waterfall / scope-creep project on someone, then expecting them to be psychic? Once they deliver the bound-to-be-wrong project, you get to wave your "King Stick" at them and tell them how they messed up. Good one.

Agreed. As I said before: both customer and developer/designer should be equal. It their both interest is to make the deal done.

I Voodoo, not sure if you were directing this question at me. We didn't even get that far. My first foray into emailing her was basically to make sure she was up to the task of taking on a new project and showing her the type of stuff I would like her creative skills to take on.

I got shot down at that very first hurdle. The emails you see in my initial post are EXACTLY what happened (with the exception of my not printing my name).

Don't feel bad. She wanted to charge me $1/minute for the pleasure of trying to explain my project to her :1orglaugh

Oh, that wasn't directed at you. :)

Funny how that works, isn't it. :1orglaugh

At least you managed to get a quote of a $1/minute. I didn't even get that far!! :)

and this is how people who have talent ended at mcdonalds, cause they have shit in their blocked brains. but anna is not the first and not the last one i met i bet :)

i can only speak about myself - and i usually prepare stuff for my programmer very well. And he understands the way i prepare it and usually builds it that way. But I am the one who pays and if he forgets something or fails to test the code before he puts it live and screws something up, i have the right to be unhappy.

Like my clients have the right to be unhappy when we screw something up they paid for. then it's my obligation to fix things instead of argueing or getting cocky.

Feel free to ask any of my clients if they're happy with my service, i would dare to say you will get a very positive feedback.

And the same attitude that i have towards my clients who pay me, i have towards the people I pay. Nothing more and nothing less.

Another GW success story.

I can vouch for being a happy customer of yours :)

I do get what some people are trying to say. That respect goes both ways and that both parties in a transaction need to be liable for the conduct. I also agree that just because I am paying for something, does not give me any right to be a total and utter cock to the person who is selling.

At no point in my conversation with this lady did I say anything to insult her. After she replied to me, these are the emails that followed:

Her reply:
At this stage, I'd written her off and replied:
She had to get the last word in; her reply:

And before anyone asks, all these emails were traded BEFORE I posted about this on here.

I find it unimaginable that a person would conduct themselves like this with prospective buyers.

She is nuts. Ignore her.

Yo Razor read this article http://paffg.com/blog/ask-a-graphic-...gimme-website/ , then think to yourself and laugh

She is nuts, I love her.

I find that most.. (not all) creative types, Artists and Programmers, aren't much good at the people side of business. It just goes with the territory and takes a certain type of person to do the job. That having been said, what G-W replied would have most people who don't own their own business fired. She can do whatever she wants since it is her business, but she should expect some backlash for it, and should perhaps hire someone who is good at being a mediator between her and the client.

Anna and Alienq should team up and become a design superpower, Amp can handle their public relations.

She clearly is her own worst enemy.

I'm with you 100% on this. You're the one with the money and you don't need to be dissed. Spend your money where you get treated with the proper respect and gratitude.

If that article is for real, then I'm really confused - :Oh crap

LOL - Now THAT would be an epic design firm!!! :)

In all seriousness, if you really want to do something unique, one option is to find a mainstream designer who has a style that you really like. Then try to pair him/her with an adult designer who has experience in making the type of site you want. :2 cents:

I do use an exceptional mainstream designer (which was the reason for my other thread about great designs that you replied in) but he's unfortunately on holiday.

Fiver roooooools - I get all kinds of work done there - The guys/girls I use are super fast with delivery. 0 drama and usually 0 changes.

Last job I had done - I got 5 banners done for a fiver that kicked ass AND were delivered in 1hr - Designer here would be 25-35 a pop and I would have to beg for them for a week lolz - TRY IT :thumbsup

You don't have to get use to this "new way of doing business". You vote with your feet and walk away. When you contract to do business with someone and you are fortunate enough to figure out that they are assholes early on, just move on. There are plenty of people out there that would be glad to work with you in a professional manner. They are talented and have a grip on their creative eccentricities. If you haven't met someone face to face, then you have no idea who is behind the monitor. GFY is a pretty good place to get a sense of who does business and who plays at doing business. If they have a good rep on GFY, you can be sure they earned it, because this place will eat their lunch if they are shitheads.

Yep, I can see it now - Triple A Designs Amp, Alienq & Anna

She always has to have the last word.

Here's the thing.
Love me or hate me. My work/designs/services are in high demand. I can't accept every job that comes into my sales box.

I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose the clients I take nowadays. And despite all the drama on GFY.. all I really want to do is get on with my job.

So I have a vetting process. I don't take 'Problem' clients or projects. And i'm quite good at spotting what's a good gig to take and what i want to avoid.

From your initial email to your replies. I could see the 'Blow-up-ability' was strong with you...

Linking to zuzanna (or any other designers work). Well that itself doesn't bother me. But it gives me a hint that perhaps you have worked with other designers before. And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

And you also linked me to younglegalporn.com as a design example. While it may be legal content (i dont know the program so I cant comment). That itself set off another red flag in my 'Don't wanna work with this guy' radar....

And as can be seen by your creation of this very thread. I was right.. working with you would not have been a pleasant exp for me.

And im sorry you took my words so badly.

lol captain

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fAxDR0NHAR...gOilShip-5.jpg

Does seem odd if you like one designers work, why hire another one.
If it was a cost thing, makes sense, but I would imagine they're pretty equal on that.

I dont understand why people claim to give her advice then moan she ignores it. She's making good money whilst others are doing design auctions for $300 to get work. Why should she listen.

LIQUIDER Please just take a look at that banner, you really claim to be a designer?
Maybe you're the best developer around but don't design.

lol @ fake nick above me 9 posts

She does have a right to be wrong and crazy.

Anna,

I have worked with the same designer since 2004 (and the same programmer since 2002), but unfortunately he is on vacation which is the ONLY reason why I have been emailing designers to get this particular job done. Even if I had hired you, it would have been for this one job only.

There is something inherently wrong with your radar if it isn't taking ALL things into consideration before jumping to conclusions.

I have worked with several people; MaDalton, Konrad, Devin from GTS, Richard from adultcontent UK, Parney from cybercats just to name a few, and I have dealt with some of those for years. I have not had a single issue with them even when things have gone wrong because I have the capacity to deal with issues like an adult. There is no 'Blow-up-ability' so in this respect, you're just talking a load of rubbish.

The creation of this thread doesn't mean you were right, the general consensus as far as I can see, is that you were wrong. Wrong in the way you handled a client, wrong with your petty nature, wrong to have a chip on your shoulder and more importantly wrong to think that you are better than you actually are.

You can justify your actions any bloody way you like, but in the court of public opinion, you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting!

None of your clients run so many projects at the same time that 1 designer is not enough to handle them all?
None of your clients have ever bought content from different sellers?
None of your clients have boxes at different hosting companies?
None of your clients have ever asked more than 1 company for a quote on something?
None of your clients have eaten at more than one restaurant in their whole lives?

Then move on.....I dont want to work for you.. you dont want to hire me. Win all round.

Anna, I have moved on. This thread was initially made because I was gobsmacked; I couldn't fathom how someone could possibly converse with a potential client the way you did.

This thread is hardly a win for you. You're being seen for the petty, full of herself, despicable, fool you are. Even the people you currently work for cannot possibly deny the fact that you handled this wrong and in the back of their minds they SHOULD be questioning their loyalty to your services based on how you have conducted yourself in this matter.

I know we dont get on so well voodoo. But I have to applaud your words.
And I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.

LIsten razorsharpe. Im sorry for the way i spoke to you. I get literally 30 seconds to answer emails sometimes. I'm guilty as charged. I should have treated you with more politeness. I accept your a great guy all round and i've made an error.

At this stage, and after your previous responses, it's really hard to gauge if you're actually being sincere. This is the upshot of being rude initially when you didn't really have to be.

FYI - Here's another really well designed site.

http://cafeglow.com/glow/

Sorry and you are who exactly?
'Hey everybody look at me, I've made 500+ posts in a month I must be fucking great!'

Another nice site that isn't conforming to the usual "adult design" process - nice find mate :)

I don't know if the world is ready to scroll left/right instead of up/down yet.

Are you getting a horizontal scroll on that site? The only thing that scrolls horizontally for me is the slider on that page.

I MUST make a correct to this ... I meant Devin from REBEL-ADS - if you're looking for someone who will turn his life upside down to get you quality ad placements ... contact Devin .... from: http://rebel-ads.com/

I am being sincere. I may not have the words to verbalize this in a way that makes sense though. I made an error in judgement. And if you will allow me to expand a bit further I can further explain my poor brevity towards you.

I'm sure you know that recently whenever my name is mentioned on GFY it's like a hornets nest has been prodded. This also spills out into my email box. I get fake sales enquiries/trolls/rival firms.. you name it.

I know you don't want your personal information disclosed so i will say this as discretley as I can. Your email address .. it ends in a word .. and indeed your entire email addy sounded like it was a rival firm.

And usualy when someone wants to take a poke at me the first comparison they will make is with zuzanna...

And also the example design you gave of younglegalporn.com. (most domains with 'young' are blocked at a ISP level here in Finland.. I get taken to the police 'this is illegal' page and big brother takes a note of this visit).

If you take all 3 of these things into consideration along with my earlier points, Then maybe that will help to paint a clearer picture of why i was ... not so nice.

But now i see who you are, and i see I have made a mistake. And i apologize.

Hi Anna,

I can assure you that my email to you was sincere and now that you've explained yourself, yes, I can see why and how this got out of hand. Apology accepted and I wish you well going forward.

Great site and idea, I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Do you know any similar sites (art/fashion/erotica) ?