Does spinning content still work ?

[AdultKing]

So with the recent Panda updates the question begs, do you think spinning content still works ? Does spinning content have a legitimate use ? Can Google detect spun content ?

It's an interesting subject because lots of people put significant effort into spinning content. Services like Contentboss make money out of providing comprehensive spinners charging $29 per month for several hundred spins.

So, what do you think ?

[u-Bob]

If you do it right: of course it still works.

[woj]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

If you do it right: of course it still works.

[iSpyCams]

There are few unique thoughts in the universe, almost everything we say is paraphrasing.

Spinning is just paraphrasing. Depends how well and how often you do it and how many other people are paraphrasing the same shit, how well they do it and who did it first, that is all.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

There are few unique thoughts in the universe, almost everything we say is paraphrasing.

Spinning is just paraphrasing. Depends how well and how often you do it and how many other people are paraphrasing the same shit, how well they do it and who did it first, that is all.

What about paraphrasing in not quite perfect English ?

There are a number of spinning services that use different approaches to try and provide better quality spins than a standard thesaurus/dictionary table. Some are not too bad, some are verging on awful.

Does grammatically correct output matter when spinning content ?

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

What about paraphrasing in not quite perfect English ?

There are a number of spinning services that use different approaches to try and provide better quality spins than a standard thesaurus/dictionary table. Some are not too bad, some are verging on awful.

Does grammatically correct output matter when spinning content ?

I don't know, I don't have any successful sites, in terms of SE traffic. I've spent thousands of dollars on backlinks, hundreds of hours writing unique text and thousands more dollars hiring others to write unique text.

But when it comes to SE traffic, the tiny handful of sales I do make all seem to come from rss fed blogs and tubes with sponsor dumps on them. My handwritten stuff seems to get ignored.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

What about paraphrasing in not quite perfect English ?

There are a number of spinning services that use different approaches to try and provide better quality spins than a standard thesaurus/dictionary table. Some are not too bad, some are verging on awful.

Does grammatically correct output matter when spinning content ?

Writing proper (nested) spyntax takes just as much skill as writing the original article. Probably even more.

If you're outsourcing to someone who takes the "standard thesaurus/dictionary table" approach, you might as well use an old markov script because you'll never end up with a decent quality result.

There's a lot of crappy spinner services out there and it has given people the impression that using spyntax is nothing but another way to auto generate content that looks almost real. In reality, spyntax is simply a tool. It's potential only limited by the imagination of the individual using it.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Writing proper (nested) spyntax takes just as much skill as writing the original article. Probably even more.

If you're outsourcing to someone who takes the "standard thesaurus/dictionary table" approach, you might as well use an old markov script because you'll never end up with a decent quality result.

There's a lot of crappy spinner services out there and it has given people the impression that using spyntax is nothing but another way to auto generate content that looks almost real. In reality, spyntax is simply a tool. It's potential only limited by the imagination of the individual using it.

So is hand written human spun content better ? Or are you saying that automatically spun content can work ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

So is hand written human spun content better ? Or are you saying that automatically spun content can work ?

If a human, who's not an idiot, writes an article and adds nested spyntax, he will be able to produce a base text that when run through a spyntax interpreter will result in a more natural and coherent output.

[stevemib]

Everybody thinks that when a Panda update comes out it effects every website on the net, not true. It is initially a low percentage and gradually increases.
Spun content can work to a certain extent until one of their manual checkers gets a hold of your site and tanks it for spun content, keyword stuffing etc.

I have always been a big believer in original content.

Now if you want to spin your content and submit to article directories I think that would still work fine. Just proof read it before submitting, there are usually some grammatical errors.

Heres a good link on the new update I found hear on GFY.

oops cant post links, sorry.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by stevemib

Everybody thinks that when a Panda update comes out it effects every website on the net, not true. It is initially a low percentage and gradually increases.

I think your assumption there is wrong, Google make it clear that an update will only affect X% of searches, so it follows that not all sites are affected, there are numerous variables.

So in short, I think most people do understand the changes don't affect every site.

[VenusBlogger]

If with "Spinning content" you mean, rewriting and recycle existing articles to give it a more unique look, then YES, GOOGLE will notice it. No matter how good you are, GOOGLE will know.

You need to write UNIQUE CONTENT... The current GOOGLE ALGO is extremely smart and intelligent and it will notice if you are trying to cheat him.

It's the beginning of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. Yeah, someone quote me on this phrase and laugh all you want. We will see what happens in the next 20 years.

Period.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

If a human, who's not an idiot, writes an article and adds nested spyntax, he will be able to produce a base text that when run through a spyntax interpreter will result in a more natural and coherent output.

Do you think content that is spun by software can work ? Or do you favour human re-writing/spintaxing ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Do you think content that is spun by software can work ? Or do you favour human re-writing/spintaxing ?

Depends on what you are trying to achieve.

It's not a question of one or the other. It all depends on your goals. And an SEO strategy can consists of different sub-operations with different subgoals etc.

I write a lot of my own content and I pay good money for custom content. Using human prepared spinable text (with nested spyntax) is part of my strategy to leverage the full potential of that unique content.

But there's also room for more automated processes that require less human interaction. It is possible to write programs that can generate text that looks natural, but 'looking natural' is only part of the equation. Sometimes certain subtle nuances are required....

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

But there's also room for more automated processes that require less human interaction. It is possible to write programs that can generate text that looks natural, but 'looking natural' is only part of the equation. Sometimes certain subtle nuances are required....

I'm particularly interested in automated methods, if using an automated method what percentage change (while remaining grammatically correct and readable) in the original text is required to say that text has been spun well ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I'm particularly interested in automated methods, if using an automated method what percentage change (while remaining grammatically correct and readable) in the original text is required to say that text has been spun well ?

That would depend on a lot of factors: goal, place where the text would be used, length of text, type of text,...

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

That would depend on a lot of factors: goal, place where the text would be used, length of text, type of text,...

ok here's two examples, to avoid flagging as duplicate content and lets say a piece of mainstream marketing text aimed at getting some search engine traffic for the purpose of getting ad clicks.

second example, to build adult splogs which also avoid being marked as duplicate content for the purpose of linking to pay sites by way of affiliate links.

[VenusBlogger]

check the stats..

ignore all you want, but why do you ask in the first place if you want people to tell you what you want to hear?

[jimmycooper]

As far as grammatically correct text goes, I have a small network of sites which are targeted to a market which uses a language that I do not speak. The sites are written in what can best be categorized as an English/Foreign Market X pidgin language and the grammar is technically horrible but every single one of the sites is doing exceptionally well in search. Go figure.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

If a human, who's not an idiot, writes an article and adds nested spyntax, he will be able to produce a base text that when run through a spyntax interpreter will result in a more natural and coherent output.

110% in agreement with u-Bob on this one.

[glowlite]

Typos are good too.

[just a punk]

Depends on how well it's spun. Personally to me it still works just perfect.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

ok here's two examples, to avoid flagging as duplicate content and lets say a piece of mainstream marketing text aimed at getting some search engine traffic for the purpose of getting ad clicks.

second example, to build adult splogs which also avoid being marked as duplicate content for the purpose of linking to pay sites by way of affiliate links.

Stop worrying about things you have no control over. There's no way to figure out how exactly Google determines something is a duplicate and what the original is.

Do you know how much time I spend watching the position of my sites in the SERPS? 0.
Do you know how much time I spend 'analyzing' the latest Google update? 0.
Do you know how much time I spend worrying about the latest Google update? 0.

I simply focus on building more sites, more content, more links, more subscribers etc. The second a surfer visits my sites, I log and analyze as much as possible in order to optimize ad space etc. Those are thing I can control.

However, I have no control over what Google does or what other webmasters/seos/marketeers do. I don't control when and how Google updates its algos. I can't stop others from being inspired by my articles or using them as a basis for their spinning schemes.... So why worry about those things when there's plenty of things I can control.

At the end of the month only one thing matters: how much profit I made. not that 1 site has a #1 position and that another site dropped 10 places.

[brentbacardi]

Spinning most certainly works providing you spin it enough.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

[A]t the end of the month only one thing matters: how much profit I made. not that 1 site has a #1 position and that another site dropped 10 places.

QFT +

Do you accept Overlord Google as your lord and savior?

[AdultKing]

Some great replies here.

I guess I should clear up that I started this thread to better understand the theory and mechanics of spinning content and the approach people take to it.

I agree, the best statistics are those recorded in the Profit & Loss statements I run each month on MYOB. You can rank #1 on Google and not make a profit.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Stop worrying about things you have no control over. There's no way to figure out how exactly Google determines something is a duplicate and what the original is.

Do you know how much time I spend watching the position of my sites in the SERPS? 0.
Do you know how much time I spend 'analyzing' the latest Google update? 0.
Do you know how much time I spend worrying about the latest Google update? 0.

I simply focus on building more sites, more content, more links, more subscribers etc. The second a surfer visits my sites, I log and analyze as much as possible in order to optimize ad space etc. Those are thing I can control.

However, I have no control over what Google does or what other webmasters/seos/marketeers do. I don't control when and how Google updates its algos. I can't stop others from being inspired by my articles or using them as a basis for their spinning schemes.... So why worry about those things when there's plenty of things I can control.

At the end of the month only one thing matters: how much profit I made. not that 1 site has a #1 position and that another site dropped 10 places.

Great post. My SEO strategy is simply to do what I think make the most sense.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Great post. My SEO strategy is simply to do what I think make the most sense.

I agree. At the end of the day that's the only strategy there is.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Some great replies here.

I guess I should clear up that I started this thread to better understand the theory and mechanics of spinning content and the approach people take to it.

I agree, the best statistics are those recorded in the Profit & Loss statements I run each month on MYOB. You can rank #1 on Google and not make a profit.

The only instances in which I even somewhat 'spin' content is when doing a post or gallery with an embed that comes with a description. In those cases, I'll add a title in bold immediately before the description. Something like "Official Summary Of The Site X Scene With Adjective Porn Star Jane Doe" and then change every 5th word or so when rewriting the description. Maybe also change tenses. Works fine.

[livexxx]

I've got by default 4 blogs for the same demographic that generally doesnt pay. However I've quadrupled the traffic on the lowest one somehow to 400 uniques a day, that made me look at the others and somehow they've accrued 30k uniques a month. So I've got a writer that will take some affiliate links and pics and do me a post a week instead of one a month. I'll bite the bullet and try this contentboss for a couple of months and see what happens. If anyone is interested that is.

[digitaldivas]

Adultking, are you keeping the same keywords, or, are you re-editing the text and including new keywords? Basically, are you piggybacking off of keywords or making new ones and altering the text to reflect that?

[Mr Pheer]

Spinning works, but, there is something better by far.

Video, and social interaction. Even if it is negative. Trust me on this.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

lol you guys think that google is tough, try brightmail.

[BAKO]

One of my big blogs took a massive shit from panda

[Colmike9]

Yes, spinning still works well but if you don't do it right, it can suck..

I'm not saying how, but I spend a lot of time grinding and every day I work on doing that in ways that SEs can't tell that I'm automating everything, and spinning content is mixed in there somewhere

(Spinning handwritten content to a certain extent works really well, too, not just from what sponsors give out to affiliates)

[SoulTaker]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

At the end of the month only one thing matters: how much profit I made. not that 1 site has a #1 position and that another site dropped 10 places.

99% correct I think.

Google smashed out loads of updates in the past to start detecting dupe content on sites for example. Being a blog owner with tons of content (automated, so probably dupes) it's good that you actually realize this so you can delete your dupe content - or get punished hard.

So by anticipating on what google will do and what seo tactics you will use in the future you can make more money.

E.g. if you followed the wordpress boom when google loved EVERY wordpress site around 2006 you could've cashed quite some $ before google 'moves on' to the next big thing (tubes now)

[BaldBishop]

Asking "Does spinning still work?" is like asking "Does Apache still work?" or "Does Drupal still work?". They are tools, not magic bullets. They work in the sense that they do what they are supposed to do. Spinners still work in the sense they still spin spyntax enhanced text. Apache still works in the sense that it still is a web server. Drupal still works. They are but tools and the quality of the output and the SERP position of that output depends mostly on how the tools are used.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

The current GOOGLE ALGO is extremely smart and intelligent and it will notice if you are trying to cheat him.

It's the beginning of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

Yeah, all you people listen to this guy! We are lost, artifical intelligence is going after us!!

This artifical "intelligence" puts crappy sites with no content on the top of search results they are targetting.

[blackmonsters]

Put the content though the Fox News filter and you are set.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by BaldBishop

Asking "Does spinning still work?" is like asking "Does Apache still work?" or "Does Drupal still work?". They are tools, not magic bullets. They work in the sense that they do what they are supposed to do. Spinners still work in the sense they still spin spyntax enhanced text. Apache still works in the sense that it still is a web server. Drupal still works. They are but tools and the quality of the output and the SERP position of that output depends mostly on how the tools are used.

Exactly

[wehateporn]

I'm not sure if spinning content still sells on it's own, but I heard that spinning pregnant girls is an untapped micro-niche worth considering

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by BaldBishop

Asking "Does spinning still work?" is like asking "Does Apache still work?" or "Does Drupal still work?". They are tools, not magic bullets. They work in the sense that they do what they are supposed to do. Spinners still work in the sense they still spin spyntax enhanced text. Apache still works in the sense that it still is a web server. Drupal still works. They are but tools and the quality of the output and the SERP position of that output depends mostly on how the tools are used.

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