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    • Jun 2003
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    Florida lifeguard fired for helping drowning man

    A lifeguard who left his section of a Florida beach to help save a man from drowning has been given the sack.

    Tomas Lopez, 21, was patrolling part of Hallandale Beach north of Miami when he was told that a swimmer was in trouble in an unguarded area of the beach.

    "I wasn't going to say no," the lifeguard said.

    But his bosses said he had broken company rules and could have put other swimmers at risk. At least two colleagues have resigned in protest.

    "We have liability issues and can't go out of the protected area," Susan Ellis of lifeguard provider Jeff Ellis and Associates told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

    She added that the stretch of Hallandale Beach that Mr Lopez was supposed to be patrolling on Monday was being protected by other lifeguards who were on the phone to emergency operators at the time.

    Mr Lopez, four months in the job, ran some distance to help the swimmer who had already been pulled out of the water by other beachgoers.

    He and an off-duty nurse then helped the man until paramedics arrived to take him to hospital. The unidentified swimmer is said to be in intensive care.

    Mr Lopez has no regrets about losing his $8.25-an-hour (£5.30; 6.60 euros) job.

    "I think it's ridiculous, honestly, that a sign is what separates someone from being safe and not safe," Mr Lopez told CBS television.

    A colleague, on finding out that he had been fired, said he radioed his manager to cover the beach for him and promptly quit.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18715684
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  • BradBreakfast
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    #2
    Actually by law, he may have had a duty to act since he was employed on a public beach.
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    • GetSCORECash
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      #3
      But this was a private company hired to protect a certain stretch of beach, its like a renta cop leaving the warehouse he was asked to monitor.
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      • BradBreakfast
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        #4
        Believe it or not I went to school for EMS and actually worked for two private lifeguard companies. Both companies I know would want you to make a rescue that was "within sight". One was Knott's and the other was a Lake.

        It's my opinion since this company is protecting the public, on a contract they do indeed have a duty to act. In the U.S. a lot of ambulance companies that respond to 911 calls are in fact privately owned corporations as well... that does not relieve them of their duty to act. It could be debated that this company is acting as "EMS" due to their status as First Responders that probably provide first aid as well, which technically makes them an EMS component.

        If I was this guy, I would start a campaign to not renew this company's contract next year.

        I for one would never let company policies prevent me from doing what is right, or to protect myself.

        This is like a corporation telling you your "not allowed" to fight off somebody that's robbed you and now telling you to turn around and get on your knees... only the ignorant blatantly take corporate policies to the extreme.

        Originally posted by GetSCORECash
        But this was a private company hired to protect a certain stretch of beach, its like a renta cop leaving the warehouse he was asked to monitor.
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        • fitzmulti
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          #5
          Sad that corporate BS would get in the way of assisting someone...


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          • seeandsee
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            #6
            They are all crazy to fire him because he helped in such situation
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            • DWB
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              • Jul 2003
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              #7
              America.

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              • Barefootsies
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                #8
                Originally posted by DWB
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                • bronco67
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                  #9
                  The US is getting sillier by the day.

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                  • Tom_PM
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                    #10
                    Zero tolerance = zero compassion.
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                    • John-ACWM
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                      #11
                      Laws beat life.

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                      • Barefootsies
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by John-ACWM
                        Laws beat life.
                        Sadly... when you can sue anyone for anything you get this sort of foolishness.
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                        • epitome
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                          #13
                          Since DV always posts two day old news, there is already a review going on by the company and the guy may get his job back.

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                          • JFK
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by fitzmulti
                            Sad that corporate BS would get in the way of assisting someone...
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                              • react
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                                • epitome
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                                  #17
                                  http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/bro...,4887768.story

                                  The owner of the company has offered his job back.

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                                  • Tush Media
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                                    #18
                                    Pretty sad

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                                    • Lykos
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                                      #19
                                      That's idiotic...

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                                      • Joshua G
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                                        #20
                                        hard to judge without all the facts. i have to believe there were other issues, maybe he broke other rules or had poor attendance. seems like something that merits a warning.

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                                        • Barefootsies
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by bronco67
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                                          • PornoMonster
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BradBreakfast

                                            This is like a corporation telling you your "not allowed" to fight off somebody that's robbed you and now telling you to turn around and get on your knees... only the ignorant blatantly take corporate policies to the extreme.
                                            You are NOT, depending on who you work for.

                                            A person who was a delivery driver for Pizza Hut was robbed and was starting to get beat down, with the back of a handgun. The driver pulled out a gun and shot into the air. He was FIRED.
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                                            • epitome
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by PornoMonster
                                              You are NOT, depending on who you work for.

                                              A person who was a delivery driver for Pizza Hut was robbed and was starting to get beat down, with the back of a handgun. The driver pulled out a gun and shot into the air. He was FIRED.
                                              A lifeguard is CPR certified and by law must render aid when someone is in distress.

                                              Do corporate rules trump the law?

                                              Would the company have defended him against lawsuits if he was sued for failing to render aid? Even if he could have won the suit would the company have provided a lawyer?

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                                              • Phoenix
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                                                • Rochard
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by GetSCORECash
                                                  But this was a private company hired to protect a certain stretch of beach, its like a renta cop leaving the warehouse he was asked to monitor.
                                                  Yes, but, by law if he knew the warehouse was on fire and there was people in it he might have been required to act.

                                                  I have no issues with what he did. In fact, he might be a hero.
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                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                    #26
                                                    When the company says "just following the rules, you're fired" all I hear is "You should have let that guy drown."

                                                    Sad when saving a life is worth less than maintaining some rule that doesn't take into account nor have any provision for alternate scenarios. Anyone with an ounce of decency in them would have done what that Lopez kid did. He should be reinstated, and the guy who fired him bitchslapped for not having the brains to realise that their "rule" needs amending, not blind following.
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                                                    • CurrentlySober
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                                                      #27
                                                      i cant afford to learn how to swim...


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                                                      • DamianJ
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by epitome
                                                        http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/bro...,4887768.story

                                                        The owner of the company has offered his job back.
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                                                        • BradBreakfast
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                                                          #29
                                                          Better fired then dead. Your only "now allowed" to defend yourself due to corporate policy, when my life is in imminent danger I don't care what some self serving corporation's corporate rules are... it's between me and the attacker at that point.

                                                          Originally posted by PornoMonster
                                                          You are NOT, depending on who you work for.

                                                          A person who was a delivery driver for Pizza Hut was robbed and was starting to get beat down, with the back of a handgun. The driver pulled out a gun and shot into the air. He was FIRED.
                                                          Last edited by BradBreakfast; 07-05-2012, 03:00 PM.
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                                                          • Freaky_Akula
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                                                            #30
                                                            The swimmer knew what he was getting himself into. He knew he was in an unprotected area and he still decided to go into the watter. If he wanted protection he should have gone to the protected area.

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                                                            • L-Pink
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                                                              #31
                                                              I would have a hard time living my life knowing I let a someone die to protect my $8.25 an hour job. Good for him!

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                                                              • mce
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                I would have a hard time living my life knowing I let a someone die to protect my $8.25 an hour job. Good for him!
                                                                This pretty much puts it all in perspective

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                                                                • Freaky_Akula
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                  I would have a hard time living my life knowing I let a someone die to protect my $8.25 an hour job. Good for him!
                                                                  He was paid to protect the people in the water in front of the stretch of beach assigned to him. People depended on him. People like parents with children are more likely to go into the water in protected areas than unprotected areas. The lifeguard abandoned all those people he had agreed to protect. He is not a hero. He is an idiot or an attention whore. He put a lot of people in danger to help another idiot who knowingly went into an unprotected part of the sea.

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                                                                  • PornoMonster
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by epitome
                                                                    A lifeguard is CPR certified and by law must render aid when someone is in distress.

                                                                    Do corporate rules trump the law?

                                                                    Would the company have defended him against lawsuits if he was sued for failing to render aid? Even if he could have won the suit would the company have provided a lawyer?
                                                                    That Law is only in different states. And if the person is drowning they don't need CPR till drowned. LOL
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                                                                    • Site Collector
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      its florida, nothing coming from that state should surprise anyone.

                                                                      perfectly stated by L-Pink
                                                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                      I would have a hard time living my life knowing I let a someone die to protect my $8.25 an hour job. Good for him!
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                                                                      • BradBreakfast
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        When I worked for Knott's I was a Ellis & Associates lifeguard. IT SHOCKED THE HELL OUT OF ME to find out this was Ellis & Associates. I would have expected nothing but the best from Jeff Ellis, but he and his staff really have let the industry down with this and in my opinion, irreparably harmed their corporate reputation for always producing "the best" lifeguards.
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                                                                        • Linguist
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Freaky_Akula
                                                                          He was paid to protect the people in the water in front of the stretch of beach assigned to him. People depended on him. People like parents with children are more likely to go into the water in protected areas than unprotected areas. The lifeguard abandoned all those people he had agreed to protect. He is not a hero. He is an idiot or an attention whore. He put a lot of people in danger to help another idiot who knowingly went into an unprotected part of the sea.
                                                                          No.

                                                                          If you were to read the article, you'd learn that he made sure that there was another guard supervising the beach while he left to take care of the man. No area of the beach was left unattended.

                                                                          Read before commenting.
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                                                                          • epitome
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by BradBreakfast
                                                                            When I worked for Knott's I was a Ellis & Associates lifeguard. IT SHOCKED THE HELL OUT OF ME to find out this was Ellis & Associates. I would have expected nothing but the best from Jeff Ellis, but he and his staff really have let the industry down with this and in my opinion, irreparably harmed their corporate reputation for always producing "the best" lifeguards.
                                                                            Based on things I've read by past and current employees, you were the only happy employee.

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                                                                            • ShoeBox
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by mce
                                                                              This pretty much puts it all in perspective
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                                                                              • epitome
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                The fired lifeguard got a key to the city today and also got to meet the man he left to rescue.

                                                                                The city is likely going to terminate the contract since it is up for renewal in September.

                                                                                All's well that ends well.

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                                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Freaky_Akula
                                                                                  He was paid to protect the people in the water in front of the stretch of beach assigned to him. People depended on him. People like parents with children are more likely to go into the water in protected areas than unprotected areas. The lifeguard abandoned all those people he had agreed to protect. He is not a hero. He is an idiot or an attention whore. He put a lot of people in danger to help another idiot who knowingly went into an unprotected part of the sea.
                                                                                  Wow... just wow ...

                                                                                  I am a property owner in Pompano Beach. Last march, there were a patch of riptide on the beach, a few hundreds feet from me ... About 6 people were just pulled away ... The lifegard from my post and neighboring post all went to help ... Our lifegard left us his walkie-talkie in case any help was needed while he was gone ... Needless to see, most people were out of the water during that event..

                                                                                  Maybe they should fire him as well.

                                                                                  The real problem is similar to the one in most american enviroement : fear of multi-million successfull lawsuit ...
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                                                                                  • Media_Guy
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    He is paid to save lives. No matter what stretch of beach, if he is on or off duty.

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                                                                                    • Phoenix
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                      The fired lifeguard got a key to the city today and also got to meet the man he left to rescue.

                                                                                      The city is likely going to terminate the contract since it is up for renewal in September.

                                                                                      All's well that ends well.
                                                                                      good i hope they terminate the contract
                                                                                      the manager should have been sacked as well.
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                                                                                      • GregE
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                        The real problem is similar to the one in most american enviroement : fear of multi-million successfull lawsuit ...
                                                                                        Bingo.

                                                                                        A well renowned English writer expressed similar frustration regarding such long, long ago.

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                                                                                        • epitome
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Media_Guy
                                                                                          He is paid to save lives. No matter what stretch of beach, if he is on or off duty.
                                                                                          Florida has laws about duty to rescue / render aid. Not sure what they specifically are, but I'd imagine a lifeguard would be considered to be something like an EMT and should render aid when they are aware of someone needing it.

                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

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