Sorry mitt Romney

[2MuchMark]

Obama wins again. Suck on that

[Rochard]

What's disgusting is that this has turned into a political mess and the interests of the American people are no longer remotely relevant. The battle has been fought, one side lost and another side won, but within an hour the loosing side had a new slogan: "To remove Obamacare you need to remove Obama". Outfuckingstanding.

[baddog]

Fuck Obama, fuck Obamacare

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Obama, fuck Obamacare

Look at the bright side, you still have one more chance to vote for the first Black
president.

[rocky1234]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Obama, fuck Obamacare

agreeeeed.

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What's disgusting is that this has turned into a political mess and the interests of the American people are no longer remotely relevant. The battle has been fought, one side lost and another side won, but within an hour the loosing side had a new slogan: "To remove Obamacare you need to remove Obama". Outfuckingstanding.

[Helix]

Actually...Obama lost. The mandate was determined to be unconstitutional.

[galleryseek]

Sorry Mitt Romney? Yeah, maybe because he wasn't able to sell the US people his parallel plan of RomneyCare; which we would have likely seen if it were Romney instead of Obama as POTUS.

Anyone who has access to the internet, and has used it for more than a few years should hold their head in shame if they're still entrenching themselves in the right vs. left bullshit puppet show.

If you really want to know whether or not something the state does is right or wrong, just ask yourself if it's in a voluntary nature; or it violates the non-aggression principle (defined, "any unsolicited actions of others that physically affect an individual’s property, including that person’s body, no matter if the result of those actions is damaging, beneficial, or neutral to the owner, are considered violent when they are against the owner’s free will and interfere with his right to self-determination")

Will healthcare be voluntary under Obamacare? No, unless you want to pay a fine (coercion). But then again, few things the state is all about are of a voluntary nature, they're all about force. Taxation, the war on drugs, paying for sex. Both parties and the candidates that revolve around them are largely in support of maintaining the status quo on those issues.

Wake up and realize that Bush == Obama == Romney.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Helix

Actually...Obama lost. The mandate was determined to be unconstitutional.

What the fuck are you talking about? It's the exact opposite you fucking moron. Otherwise it would be done

this is the SUPREME COURT you fucking idiot

[smutnut]

so if shit romney does it, it will be okay?

[galleryseek]

Originally Posted by smutnut

so if shit romney does it, it will be okay?

of fucking course not.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by galleryseek

of fucking course not.

Cause he already did it.

And just for the record I dont' like nigga jobs in LA anymore than I like shit romney mandates being okay.

[SmutHammer]

In the USA, hospitals can not refuse treatment. the worst thing that can happen is unpaid bills will go on your credit score...

Obama has made it to where they can now collect on these bills, if you do not pay them, they will confiscate anything you own of value.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

In the USA, hospitals can not refuse treatment. the worst thing that can happen is unpaid bills will go on your credit score...

Obama has made it to where they can now collect on these bills, if you do not pay them, they will confiscate anything you own of value.

they were always on credit reports. What the fuck are you talking about retard? You just pull shit out of your ass like most right wingers. Like a company ain't going to put a bill on your credit report or bill you LOL? You're so fucking funny. You and your Mormon leader LOL.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by **********

Obama wins again. Suck on that

I'm curious. What is it that Obama has done for a fellow in Canada to make you so enthusiastic about him?

[Voodoo]

He cares and doesn't care.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by smutnut

they were always on credit reports. What the fuck are you talking about retard? You just pull shit out of your ass like most right wingers. Like a company ain't going to put a bill on your credit report or bill you LOL? You're so fucking funny. You and your Mormon leader LOL.

Try reading what I wrote again.

Before, The only thing they could do is post it to your credit.

Now, They can collect by taking anything of value that you own.

Now, insurance companies are telling patients what doctors they can see or not....

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Try reading what I wrote again.

Before, The only thing they could do is post it to your credit.

Now, They can collect by taking anything of value that you own.

Now, insurance companies are telling patients what doctors they can see or not....

They always had the option to sue for unpaid medical bills, what the hell are you talking about? What country are you from?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Minte

I'm curious. What is it that Obama has done for a fellow in Canada to make you so enthusiastic about him?

It is amusing to see Canadians talk about our politics. I couldn't even name the Canadian Prime Minister.

[Barry-xlovecam]

A 2003 study in Health Affairs estimated that uninsured people in the U.S. received approximately $35 billion in uncompensated care in 2001.[82] The study noted that this amount per capita was half what the average insured person received. The study found that various levels of government finance most uncompensated care, spending about $30.6 billion on payments and programs to serve the uninsured and covering as much as 80–85% of uncompensated care costs through grants and other direct payments, tax appropriations, and Medicare and Medicaid payment add-ons. Most of this money comes from the federal government, followed by state and local tax appropriations for hospitals. Another study by the same authors in the same year estimated the additional annual cost of covering the uninsured (in 2001 dollars) at $34 billion (for public coverage) and $69 billion (for private coverage). These estimates represent an increase in total health care spending of 3–6% and would raise health care’s share of GDP by less than one percentage point, the study concluded.[83] Another study published in the same journal in 2004 estimated that the value of health forgone each year because of uninsurance was $65–$130 billion and concluded that this figure constituted "a lower-bound estimate of economic losses resulting from the present level of uninsurance nationally."[84]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...#The_uninsured

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations
By Kelly Kennedy, USA TODAY

Updated 5/13/2011 4:41 PM

" WASHINGTON — Uninsured Americans — including those with incomes well above the poverty line — leave hospitals with unpaid tabs of up to $49 billion a year, according to a USA TODAY analysis of government statistics.

On average, uninsured families can pay only about 12% of their hospital bills in full. Families with incomes above 400% of the poverty level, or about $88,000 a year for a family of four, pay about 37% of their hospital bills in full,

"Jack Hadley, senior health services researcher at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., pointed out that uninsured people are charged as much as two-thirds more than what insured people are charged because insurers are able to negotiate prices.

His research has found that privately insured individuals don't end up paying higher premiums to make up for the uninsured because hospitals that serve lower-income families don't have a lot of patients with insurance. He said the government pays about 75% of those unpaid hospital bills either by direct payment or through a disproportionate payment of Medicaid.

"It affects taxes, not premiums," he said. "The privately insured are still paying for it." "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...al-bills_n.htm

The Federal government is paying for uninsured medical care with tax money now. So, exactly how would making mandatory insurance make taxes worse?

It should lower federal subsidies for the payment of the uninsured medical costs to all taxpayers.

If federal and state hospitals are required by law to render emergency treatment to all then they need compensation by taxpayers and what little is available from charity.

All of taxpayers support these hospitals in some way now. What we have is a bassakwards system of unsocial medicine in the USA and it is severely broken.

[Shotsie]

Originally Posted by baddog

Fuck Obama, fuck Obamacare