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Slappin Fish 07-02-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19034271)
Hey, I just found out from RYC why that page isn't there anymore. It's because all those links to Extabit with my stuff on them were dead so it was a big page of useless links. :)

The links were not dead at the time of post. I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if they were.

They took the links down shortly after they took the page down, obviously they saw this thread.

page (and links ) were up for over a month until I linked to it, 5 minutes after I made my post.. taken down. It's no coincidence.

Anyway I don't get it. I'm a fan of your work, thought you would like to know :Oh crap

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 12:59 AM

While I've been away I've been thinking about this.

We need to enlist the help of other organisations trying to combat porn. Inform them of the ease a person has in accessing the most vile porn on file lockers. Anti porn, Feminist, Women's Groups, etc. Mainstream porn is immune, Barry can cry lie a baby but mainstream porn isn't going to suffer.

Get it outside the porn industry. Get the attack coming from people who now how to lobby and can appear on TV without the stigma of being in porn. Paypal will not listen to us, they will listen to CNN, ABC, etc. There are experienced people who are well practiced at bringing subjects to the media's attention. We need them in the fight.

When a parent Google's "Protecting children online." Make sure one of our blogs comes to the top of the searches with tons of useful advise and pointing the finger at the problem, from a parents perspective. Writing about File Lockers is just one subject and the main one. We talk a lot about parents taking the steps to protecting their children. Well lets help them by telling them how and showing them how. With articles and links to Net Nanny or others.

Get it on different blogs, keep them off this board as we are open and being watched. The file lockers will be DOS attacking anyone they see as a threat. Thinking it's teens in their bedroom doing it, is naive. ORON is far more capable.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 01:16 AM

We already have support outside of the porn industry.

So far I am liaising with software companies, music businesses, a child protection group and others.

I wont be specific as to who, however this has grown from a simple one person idea into a growing coalition.

This week we will be launching a hotline where people can report instances of piracy related to file lockers and child exploitation which will be filtered to the appropriate agencies.

There are some other initiatives planned but I can't go into details right now.

Jel 07-02-2012 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19034114)
That's because what you're saying is stupid and obvious to begin with. As I said...just because a thief CAN break into your house doesn't mean you don't lock the door anyway.

Dude...please don't derail Adult King's thread.

Everybody always runs off at the mouth saying that nobody DOES anything.

Well, here is a man who is putting his money where his mouth is and doing something. Let's support him.

He doesn't need to have posts in here telling him why it might not work. He already knows the pros and cons of what he is doing.

Everybody needs to simply let the man do what he is doing. IF all of you are really in the adult industry and not the pirate industry..then his efforts won't hurt you in any way and may help you.

So let's show some support and quit acting like a bunch of fucking jackasses.

Amen

....

Jel 07-02-2012 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19034347)
Start a serious business thread and Theo/Eric just let it get destroyed. I don't understand why...

views & advertising, same as it always has been. Part of the reason I started my own forum is because owners cite 'freedom of speech' and allow fuckhead cunts to post for the true reason of 'views and advertisers'.

aciuf 07-02-2012 01:27 AM

I think we also need to keep the pressure on cc companies. The more complaints they receive, greater the chances to have an impact. So, if u want the right infos @ MC and V, ICQ me.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19034694)
views & advertising, same as it always has been. Part of the reason I started my own forum is because owners cite 'freedom of speech' and allow fuckhead cunts to post for the true reason of 'views and advertisers'.

Actually, I'm more motivated than ever now to ensure I cut off the supply of funds to every illegal file locker site I can.

They can throw what they like in my direction, this is becoming a broader effort than just myself and the issue is able to be mitigated.

Jel 07-02-2012 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19034701)
Actually, I'm more motivated than ever now to ensure I cut off the supply of funds to every illegal file locker site I can.

They can throw what they like in my direction, this is becoming a broader effort than just myself and the issue is able to be mitigated.

you know me & my forum are behind you :thumbsup

DWB 07-02-2012 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19034375)
lol. some people in the adult industry are really stupid, or retarded. Do you think that people who do site rips are really LEGIT memers who paid with their own credit cards? LOL. They all card access, and don't give a shit if you have their IP address in the video, you think they do it from their home PC's? Wow...

sorry..

No shit? Pirates use stolen credit cards? Well, fuck me, I had no idea people did that sort of thing. Now what are we all going to do? Looks like we're all fucked and we should quit.

I guess it's just pure luck or divine intervention that we don't get our protected content stolen. Not even by the carders. Thank you Lord for another GFYer showing us all the way.

DWB 07-02-2012 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19034653)
The links were not dead at the time of post. I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if they were.

They took the links down shortly after they took the page down, obviously they saw this thread.

page (and links ) were up for over a month until I linked to it, 5 minutes after I made my post.. taken down. It's no coincidence.


All those locker and pirate board owners are here among us. :Oh crap

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19034680)
We already have support outside of the porn industry.

So far I am liaising with software companies, music businesses, a child protection group and others.

I wont be specific as to who, however this has grown from a simple one person idea into a growing coalition.

This week we will be launching a hotline where people can report instances of piracy related to file lockers and child exploitation which will be filtered to the appropriate agencies.

There are some other initiatives planned but I can't go into details right now.

Others need to join in, I will liaise with someone else and start something. The more prongs on the fork, the better it works. Ultimately this must go mainstream.

MrDeiz 07-02-2012 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034762)
All those locker and pirate board owners are here among us. :Oh crap

don't get me exposed

Klen 07-02-2012 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034762)
All those locker and pirate board owners are here among us. :Oh crap

When i was at Prague show i heard there was some torrent site owners there as well.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19034805)
Others need to join in, I will liaise with someone else and start something. The more prongs on the fork, the better it works. Ultimately this must go mainstream.


I appreciate the effort, but I am going to be very particular about who comes on board.

Don't do anything without liaising with me on the phone or ICQ please.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aciuf (Post 19034698)
I think we also need to keep the pressure on cc companies. The more complaints they receive, greater the chances to have an impact. So, if u want the right infos @ MC and V, ICQ me.

Can we set up a phone call, you can ICQ me with a phone number. I've messaged you but you seem away.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 04:58 AM

Thanks for the chat aciuf, it's good to know there are more of us working on the same issues.

Tijuana_Tom 07-02-2012 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034755)
No shit? Pirates use stolen credit cards? Well, fuck me, I had no idea people did that sort of thing. Now what are we all going to do? Looks like we're all fucked and we should quit.

I guess it's just pure luck or divine intervention that we don't get our protected content stolen. Not even by the carders. Thank you Lord for another GFYer showing us all the way.

What are you 3 years old?

Robbie is constantly blasting people on how well he did to stop people from pirating his sites.

When in reality he did nothing to stop or track them. He just has very few fans and so his content is not desirable enough to pirate.

How are you going to track down and sue someone using a stolen credit card? How are you going to sue or charge someone with a crime using a forged ip address? :1orglaugh

Tijuana_Tom 07-02-2012 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034762)
All those locker and pirate board owners are here among us. :Oh crap

You'd have to be an idiot to not stay on top of the pirate boards and file sharing sites.

Doesn't mean anyone disagreeing owns them, lol.

Want to discuss morals and ethics lets discuss what YOU do for a living and where. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19034839)
I appreciate the effort, but I am going to be very particular about who comes on board.

Don't do anything without liaising with me on the phone or ICQ please.

Already done. :thumbsup

AdultKing 07-02-2012 07:50 AM

ShareFlare run another file locker, aimed at video content, but also other content which is one of the most disturbing we have seen.

LetItBit.

http://stopfilelockers.com/letitbit-...d-pornography/

There is so much ripped porn content, child pornography and pirate software it's daunting to research.

DukeSkywalker 07-02-2012 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034755)
No shit? Pirates use stolen credit cards? Well, fuck me, I had no idea people did that sort of thing. Now what are we all going to do? Looks like we're all fucked and we should quit.

I guess it's just pure luck or divine intervention that we don't get our protected content stolen. Not even by the carders. Thank you Lord for another GFYer showing us all the way.

I have had plenty of long time members who were daily posters on boards. 45 % of the people who upload you stuff as soon as it comes out are members or those ripping groups using 1 password & logging in via a remote desktop. 3-6 people are downloading your files to their server & reencoding them or rewatermarking them & uploading them to 30 file hosts from a 100mbit box. This is goes deeper & is much more intricate than people think.
ds

DWB 07-02-2012 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19034981)
What are you 3 years old?

Robbie is constantly blasting people on how well he did to stop people from pirating his sites.

When in reality he did nothing to stop or track them. He just has very few fans and so his content is not desirable enough to pirate.

How are you going to track down and sue someone using a stolen credit card? How are you going to sue or charge someone with a crime using a forged ip address? :1orglaugh

How do you know that nothing is being done to track and stop them? Or how do you know it's not allowed so we can track the downloaders from the lockers and send payment demand letters to those in the USA? You don't. You're totally clueless. You have no idea what happens with various content owners that is not discussed on GFY, or on any board. Do you honestly think for one second that someone who is going all out to protect their content is going to divulge everything they do to a bunch of idiots who are not even in the business or are trolls hiding behind fake nicks? Wake up man. We all know the biggest pirates are right here, and the last thing any of us are going to do is help them how to get our content. :1orglaugh

Everything that you think is impossible, is quite easy thanks to technology. And there is more than one way to monetize your content, thanks to piracy. If you had any skin in the game, you'd know this.


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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19034984)

Want to discuss morals and ethics lets discuss what YOU do for a living and where. :1orglaugh

What, make porn with consenting adults?

Incredibly unmoral and unethical, I know. It's difficult to sleep at night. If it wasn't for the meds and lots of alcohol to numb the pain, I would have offed myself by now.


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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19035110)
I have had plenty of long time members who were daily posters on boards. 45 % of the people who upload you stuff as soon as it comes out are members or those ripping groups using 1 password & logging in via a remote desktop. 3-6 people are downloading your files to their server & reencoding them or rewatermarking them & uploading them to 30 file hosts from a 100mbit box. This is goes deeper & is much more intricate than people think.
ds

I was being sarcastic to the idiots I was talking to before. But yes, some of them have a very intricate set up. If those groups set their target on you, not a lot you can do to stop them from getting it. Who gets it after that, is another story.

DWB 07-02-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035109)
ShareFlare run another file locker, aimed at video content, but also other content which is one of the most disturbing we have seen.

LetItBit.

http://stopfilelockers.com/letitbit-...d-pornography/

There is so much ripped porn content, child pornography and pirate software it's daunting to research.

LetItBit is a BAD one for CP.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19035190)
LetItBit is a BAD one for CP.

It's sickening, beyond sickening, I just don't know how to describe it.

LetItBit and Shareflare are our highest priority right now.

Tijuana_Tom 07-02-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19035182)
How do you know that nothing is being done to track and stop them? Or how do you know it's not allowed so we can track the downloaders from the lockers and send payment demand letters to those in the USA? You don't. You're totally clueless. You have no idea what happens with various content owners that is not discussed on GFY, or on any board. Do you honestly think for one second that someone who is going all out to protect their content is going to divulge everything they do to a bunch of idiots who are not even in the business or are trolls hiding behind fake nicks? Wake up man. We all know the biggest pirates are right here, and the last thing any of us are going to do is help them how to get our content. :1orglaugh

You just typed a whole lot and said nothing.

Quote:

Everything that you think is impossible, is quite easy thanks to technology. And there is more than one way to monetize your content, thanks to piracy. If you had any skin in the game, you'd know this.
What's impossible is tracking your content.

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What, make porn with consenting adults?
Governments where you do business have decided it's illegal. Some would say you are taking advantage of people.


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I was being sarcastic to the idiots I was talking to before. But yes, some of them have a very intricate set up. If those groups set their target on you, not a lot you can do to stop them from getting it. Who gets it after that, is another story.
Intricate? This shit is soo easy it's highschool kids. :1orglaugh You people really are fucking clueless but because of your egos want to run around acting like you have a clue.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adultking (Post 19034839)
I appreciate the effort, but I am going to be very particular about who comes on board.

Don't do anything without liaising with me on the phone or ICQ please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19035084)
Already done. :thumbsup


So you completely disregard my request and go ahead and do something but won't tell us what that something is.

Don't you understand there is a strategy in place here and we don't need people bumbling in and preempting things we already have planned. It will just hurt the effort in the end.

So Paul, enlighten us , what is "Already Done" ?

DamianJ 07-02-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035208)
So you completely disregard my request and go ahead and do something but won't tell us what that something is.

Don't you understand there is a strategy in place here and we don't need people bumbling in and preempting things we already have planned. It will just hurt the effort in the end.

So Paul, enlighten us , what is "Already Done" ?

He constantly lies about almost everything, I doubt he's done anything. I wouldn't worry. All mouth and no trousers, that one.

You keep up the good work.

Barefootsies 07-02-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19034680)
This week we will be launching a hotline where people can report instances of piracy related to file lockers and child exploitation which will be filtered to the appropriate agencies.

Right.

You would need to develop a "master file" or DB where you are logging all of these copyright claims, DMCA's, action taken, result and build a mountain of evidence. Only then are you going to get any real tangible results.

If you can show a site/file locker/whatever is knowingly participating, or promoting this sort of behavior, that is a whole different ballgame. If they are handling abuse issues in a timely fashion, have more clean clients than bad, and can prove this. You're dead in the water.

Obviously, the bad companies or sites, would not be able too. While not a perfect solution, it is the only legal one, which stands a realistic chance. It will all come down to malice, or intent.

:2 cents:

AdultKing 07-02-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19035219)
Right.

You would need to develop a "master file" or DB where you are logging all of these copyright claims, DMCA's, action taken, result and build a mountain of evidence. Only then are you going to get any real tangible results.

A database system is in place already. We don't need much from people who report to the hotline, just a name of a site and the type of content they are wanting to report.

The site dedicated to the hotline will have an online form for more detailed reports to be left.

What we're going to try to do with the phone hotline is to establish patterns that we can then use in our own analysis of these sites.

One thing I have noticed by some of the less credible commenters in this thread is the fervor to use going after big sites. We're going after every site that is an illegitimate file locker. The processes are complex. I am not going into details but the behind the scenes work is enormous.

We'll get to the big boys, it's all going to take time.

Tijuana_Tom 07-02-2012 08:59 AM

phone hotline? global?

You are going to sit and listen to every complaint made by trolls? I hope for you they don't get the number.

Why wouldn't you use e-mail with filters?

Is each call being transcribed for you?

Barefootsies 07-02-2012 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035236)
We'll get to the big boys, it's all going to take time.

Big boys or piss ants really doesn't matter legally. A mountain of verified evidence speaks for it's self.

:2 cents:

DWB 07-02-2012 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19035202)

What's impossible is tracking your content.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ROTFL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19035202)
Governments where you do business have decided it's illegal. Some would say you are taking advantage of people.

Your point is what? Porn is illegal in many places it's filmed, including all but a couple states in the USA. Again, you would know this if you were really in the business.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19035202)
Intricate? This shit is soo easy it's highschool kids. :1orglaugh You people really are fucking clueless but because of your egos want to run around acting like you have a clue.

I can't figure out if you're PornoJew and one of his many fake nicks, or that long forehead faggot Frank. Your sort of a mix of the two so it's throwing me off. Big I'll give you a C+ for troll effort just because you seem to be literally living in every post here since you created your nick.

SplatterMaster 07-02-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035236)
A database system is in place already.

Will you make this database public so everyone can copy takedown notices to it?

And I agree. A takedown depository is a good step in showing what is really in these lockers. Not unlike chilling effects for Google. Having a few takedown notices is worthless IMO. You need as many as you can get. :2 cents:

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035208)
So Paul, enlighten us , what is "Already Done" ?

In contact with you.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 09:25 AM

I'm pleased to report Extabit have lost Paypal

http://extabit.com/

Quote:

PayPal decided to terminate partnership with us.
From Tuesday purchases via paypal will be unavailable.
All current and waiting payouts will be frozen for 180 days, untill we received money from PayPal.
We are working on integration of alternative payment methods right now.
We'll be pursuing any other payment methods they choose to adopt.

DWB 07-02-2012 09:26 AM

AdultKing, I want to apologize. I keep falling for troll bait and am assisting them in derailing your thread. I'm putting them on ignore.

AdultKing 07-02-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19035297)
AdultKing, I want to apologize. I keep falling for troll bait and am assisting them in derailing your thread. I'm putting them on ignore.

No worries mate! I'm too stoked about Extabit to care too much :) :thumbsup

Now we need to remove Webmoney (which will be harder) and push for the site to be cut off from their hosting provider. I smell blood with Extabit!

Robbie 07-02-2012 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19035297)
AdultKing, I want to apologize. I keep falling for troll bait and am assisting them in derailing your thread. I'm putting them on ignore.

Best thing you can do. This thread is actually a business thread with all the surfers on ignore.

DWB 07-02-2012 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035292)
I'm pleased to report Extabit have lost Paypal

http://extabit.com/



We'll be pursuing any other payment methods they choose to adopt.

Holy shit, that is HUGE.

Extabit is a monster board. Well done man.

pimpmaster9000 07-02-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035336)
No worries mate! I'm too stoked about Extabit to care too much :) :thumbsup

Now we need to remove Webmoney (which will be harder) and push for the site to be cut off from their hosting provider. I smell blood with Extabit!

Webmoney will freeze funds over a complaint about false registration information also the CP charges will help a lot.

krylon 07-02-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19034755)
No shit? Pirates use stolen credit cards? Well, fuck me, I had no idea people did that sort of thing. Now what are we all going to do? Looks like we're all fucked and we should quit.

I guess it's just pure luck or divine intervention that we don't get our protected content stolen. Not even by the carders. Thank you Lord for another GFYer showing us all the way.

Sorry DWB, but when I read your posts, it feels like I'm reading Paul Markhams. Like other people said. You say alot, but really don't say anything.

krylon 07-02-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035292)
I'm pleased to report Extabit have lost Paypal

extabit.com/



We'll be pursuing any other payment methods they choose to adopt.

Paypal is still working there?

Barefootsies 07-02-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19035357)
Webmoney will freeze funds over a complaint about false registration information also the CP charges will help a lot.

You need to be able to PROVE your claims.

Otherwise, you are just crying wolf, and eventually this will come back to bite you.

:2 cents:

AdultKing 07-02-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19035374)
Paypal is still working there?

It won't be for long, the termination takes effect Tuesday.

Any money in the account is already frozen and no withdrawals can be made.

john FVC 07-02-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035292)
I'm pleased to report Extabit have lost Paypal

http://extabit.com/



We'll be pursuing any other payment methods they choose to adopt.

Well done! Your efforts are greatly appreciated by everyone at our company.

- Jesus Christ - 07-02-2012 11:03 AM

"I dun wnt trolls but I'm going to argue with them for 8 pages instead of doing anything substantive"

I supported the thread at the start and I almost cant even read it now. Not because of "trolls", but because my eyes hurt from rolling them.

If adultkings claims are accurate it is an admirable thing he is doing, but the behavior of some of his his cheer leading squad is turning me off big time.

DWB 07-02-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19035357)
Webmoney will freeze funds over a complaint about false registration information also the CP charges will help a lot.

Have you been able to freeze funds of a site this way? If you have a solid contact over there, fire it over please.


Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 19035427)
If adultkings claims are accurate it is an admirable thing he is doing, but the behavior of some of his his cheer leading squad is turning me off big time.

Never mind multiple fake nick trolls trying to derail the thread, we wouldn't want the "cheer leading squad" to get in your way of supporting someone who is making real progress against pirate sites.


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Originally Posted by krylon (Post 19035372)
Sorry DWB, but when I read your posts, it feels like I'm reading Paul Markhams. Like other people said. You say alot, but really don't say anything.

You mean like one troll said.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not here to educate anyone or tell them what to do step by step. I look out for myself and do what works for me. Nothing else.

- Jesus Christ - 07-02-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19035448)
Some shit none cares about that is actually de-raling the thread.

"evre 1 is a trol!"

inthecrack 07-02-2012 12:52 PM

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I have found a man who is the LARGEST supporter of SOPA I have ever seen.

He's taken it into his OWN HANDS to destroy free speech and freedom of information online by trying to shut down every file hosting website he can find, while bullshitting reasons so he seems righteous to anyone he shows his campaign to.

You can find his personal information using WHOIS obviously, and use it to contact him and tell him why his campaign hurts the freedom of information, free speech, and makes him look like an idiot.

Email him and show him the error of his ways. If his stupid campaign gains any traction it can do huge harm to freedom of information, give governments inspiration and support to more strongly pursue bills like SOPA, and go against everything we stand for.

Share this, post it somewhere, share it again, then post it again. This is a way to fight back. It will be an example of how we will not tolerate totalitarian and draconian rule and legislation. This is a free internet.
WTF? The ignorance of the people on the other side of this argument is absolutely astounding! So under the guise of something called free speech and freedom of information the people who actually have the talent and put in the effort and expense to produce a quality product are then expected to just give it all up to the lowliest leaches who can't make it in this business to be compensated for our work. If that is what free speech and freedom of information is then it is seriously flawed. I'm pretty sure freedom of information does not trump copyright laws.

mikke 07-02-2012 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19035292)
I'm pleased to report Extabit have lost Paypal

http://extabit.com/



We'll be pursuing any other payment methods they choose to adopt.

still working, payment for Digital Cloud Co., Limited


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