Killing off File Lockers - Page 26 - GoFuckYourself.com

Nautilus · 07-11-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Everyone smells the blood.

Yep. And another one bites the dust, thanks to Metart anti-piracy team:

http://w.hulkfile.com/premium.html

His Infernal Majesty · 07-11-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

http://1hostclick.com/premium.html

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They were pretty bad, good work! Like Mutt and Phad said, they didn't even have a way to contact them for DMCA, and the only way to get things removed was to go through Paypal which took over a week in most cases. It was very frustrating. I don't understand why Paypal didn't even have that as a prerequisite for processing.

I will make this comment about filepost.com since I told them I would put in a good word for them if it ever came up. Though they started out bad, in the end they were being more helpful than any other filehost I have dealt with, and really seemed to clean up their act. I wish more would've followed their example.

peterk · 07-11-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

on this link

http://stopfilelockers.com/filegag-p...vestigation-2/

you said

now your creating a shell corporation to protect your assets.

maybe it has something to do with the fact that

"David banner sex drugs and video games" is not kiddie porn as you represented it

but an album produced by rapper David Banner

FEATURING:
ASAP Rocky, Lil? Wayne, Chris Brown, Snoop Dogg, Game, Nipsey Hussle, 2 Chainz, Big K.R.I.T., Bun B, Don Trip, Maino, Kardinal Offishall, Doe Hicks, Luck and Savvy, Raheem DeVaughn, Kree, Ras Kass, J-Doe and Tank

that was using the "download it for free and if you like it donate" business model.

And the posting on the file locker with affiliate programs was a way to get paid for those millions of free downloads.

http://www.davidbanner.com/

has anyone contacted chris brown and david banner to find out how they feel about you misrepresenting their work as kiddie porn.

Does your employer know you are posting on GFY? Oh wait let me call him know and let him know

Hello, Ronald .. your fry cook is posting on GFY again.

RegUser · 07-11-2012, 04:13 PM

Even though mainstream companies dont want to associate with "adult" stuff in any shape or form, this may be one opportunity where they may be able to back up the campaign in the long run by providing manpower, help and funds. A cursory search for expensive softwares and applications on google brings out thousands upon thousands of links to pirated copies of these uploaded to various filehosting sites. The damage done is literally in millions of $.
Another target to bring down could be the various forums that blatantly allow such links to be posted on their boards. In an ironic twist to the tale, many of the boards were killed by file lockers as their only source of income (restricted area subscriptions) dried out quickly. The ad supported model does not even pay for server cost so lots of them have folded up or are sick of pirates using their forums for making money. Once the free forums are removed from the picture, pirates will find it very difficult to manage thousands of downloads for the pirated booty. No downloads, no sales = no money

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 06:09 PM

I'm going to let others take credit for 1hostclick.com, I am not sure how late we came to the party on that site so I would be reticent taking credit for it.

BTW: I'm back now

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 06:14 PM

I'm disappointed to see DepositFiles.com still processing through Paypal. I've contacted Paypal and am hoping for a resolution sooner rather than later.

NetHorse · 07-11-2012, 06:29 PM

Can we get a recap? Have you guys hit any of the big lockers?

Hotfile, Bitshare, Oron, netload.in, letitbit.net, depositfiles?

Great work BTW, I don't have time to follow this thread but it's about fucking time!!

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 06:38 PM

Letitbit have been terminated by Paypal, Deposit files were but seem to have come back.

Bitshare we have finished our reports and sent them to Paypal who I believe are still investigating.

There's a list of those we believe were terminated here:

http://stopfilelockers.com/huge-payp...-file-lockers/

Some have come back with accounts they had on ice and we are chipping away at those right now.

We are expecting another large site to stop using Paypal on the weekend but for legal reasons cannot divulge any further information.

We have been in communication with Alex from FilesPost.com and he wishes to become compliant so we have held off action until discussions early next week,

We are happy to speak to any file locker that wishes to change their ways so long as they are serious about it, if not then we're going after every form of payment processing they have.

Someone claiming to be from DepositFiles.com made contact on 6th July 2012, his name was Erik and he claimed to be a lawyer from Germany. There has been no further contact and quite frankly they have done nothing to demonstrate that they want to be compliant, contrary they have just shown that they want to milk the business for all they can get without taking abuse seriously. Until they demonstrate to us that they will enter reasonable dialogue and deal with the substantive issues seriously I consider them a high priority target for our operations.

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 06:47 PM

We are currently dealing with the following sites on a high priority basis

http://allmyvideos.net/premium.html

http://am4share.com/premium.html

http://www.24uploads.com/

http://4savefile.com

http://1hostclick.com was in this list but as everyone knows they are now gone from Paypal, if they return like so many others we'll go at them again. I understand from this thread that the ACIUF were also going after them so I'm not going to claim that as a kill. Personally I don't see any of this as a competition, I'm happy if a non compliant and illegal file locker goes through the results of anyones work.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-11-2012, 06:55 PM

I can tell you right now deposit files are going to be the ones ddosing.

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrorist

I can tell you right now deposit files are going to be the ones ddosing.

I don't care.

19teenporn · 07-11-2012, 07:15 PM

Bump for great plans

Robbie · 07-11-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Someone claiming to be from DepositFiles.com made contact on 6th July 2012, his name was Erik and he claimed to be a lawyer from Germany. There has been no further contact and quite frankly they have done nothing to demonstrate that they want to be compliant, contrary they have just shown that they want to milk the business for all they can get without taking abuse seriously. Until they demonstrate to us that they will enter reasonable dialogue and deal with the substantive issues seriously I consider them a high priority target for our operations.

That is just jaw-dropping.

Not only do they profit (BIG TIME) from stolen work...then they have the balls to have a lawyer get involved? lol!

These fucks are just completely delusional. THEY break the billing processors TOS and then want a lawyer to stop you from pointing that out.

I hope that they ALL end up in prison where they belong. Fucking parasites.

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 07:21 PM

Announcing to the world the formation of Copy Control.

http://stopfilelockers.com/introduci...ercial-piracy/

There won't be much slaying going on today, we are working hard on getting everything in place for the collaboration system and dealing with some back office issues to streamline processes even further.

We expect more updates Friday and Saturday.

As things settle into a routine we expect to have daily updates from Monday through Friday and we will not be reporting (unless events dictate) much on the weekend as all the processors work during business hours around the globe.

livexxx · 07-11-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrorist

I can tell you right now deposit files are going to be the ones ddosing.

put stopfilelockers on cloudflare

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 07:33 PM

We're happy with where Stop File Lockers is at the moment, it's never been down for more than a few minutes.

Over at WJunction a post by the Squillion support rep speaks volumes about how things have shifted.

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Sadly no news at all as yet.There seems to be now way to expedite this process, I'm sure as you heard even some giant filehosts have had their accounts suspended, and even mediafire is not working with PP any longer.

Some that had their own card processing already in place seem to be okay for now but will soon have to meet new compliance regs or even that can be taken away. However for now visa does not seem as eager as pp to close sites down, but will gradually enforce new regs.

I will of course update as soon as anything happens but for now i hope all of you have been seeking places which feel best for you.

There is no real eta i can give you since billing services are being held back from us until they are 100% happy with the way the service operates. Seems they are getting more strict by the day.

When service does resume with card billing it would seem it will be under a very different TOS that will be strictly monitored by the billing service.

I'm not sure which filehost to suggest to most persons at this time since anyone of them could be restricted at anytime. Perhaps spread efforts between a few of the larger ones.

As always we wish you guys all the best at this time.
thanks.

http://www.wjunction.com/1593718-post1020.htm

Barefootsies · 07-11-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That is just jaw-dropping.

Not only do they profit (BIG TIME) from stolen work...then they have the balls to have a lawyer get involved? lol!

These fucks are just completely delusional. THEY break the billing processors TOS and then want a lawyer to stop you from pointing that out.

I hope that they ALL end up in prison where they belong. Fucking parasites.

Where this road leads, is going to take a whole lot more than a couple of grand carry this torch for "the industry".

I hope AK has found a host who believe in this cause, because it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. You are fucking with people making millions off this business. Right now they probably see him as a piss ant buzzing around causing a lot of ruckus and getting virtual high fives. I would bet they are just waiting for him to give up the one man crusade.

Wait until he actually starts knocking out some of the big boys in the space. I hope AK has a battle hardened DDoS hosting company standing behind him. Although that is not the worst of it to come. There will be death threats against his family, people will be trying to track him down personally, and so on and so forth. I am not talking posting some bullshit on a blog. I mean calling his fucking house.

We have seen similar nutjobs on GFY do this sort of shit after being banned, or because of some personal vendetta. Now imagine some stranger is actually taking away your golden goose paying you millions of dollars per month. Do you not believe there will be legal (and other) retributions?

It's going to cost a lot more time and money that $3k before it's over. I wish AK the best on his journey...

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 07:48 PM

It's already begun, false accusations and "we must stop this guy". Thing is it's too late. It's not just me anymore, there's a whole corporation to wipe out now if they want to stop this, complete with staff, volunteers and contributors.

In one thread about a Paypal Terminated file locker someone wrote:

And in another thread the operators of ShareFlare (somehow related to LetitBit) have posted this:

Copy Control now runs the ball game. It's hard to get rid of a company with it's own lines of management and proper succession plans in place.

Barefootsies · 07-11-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's already begun, false accusations and "we must stop this guy". Thing is it's too late. It's not just me anymore, there's a whole corporation to wipe out now if they want to stop this, complete with staff, volunteers and contributors.

As I said... I hope you fully understand what you have signed up for.

You are taking this issue on your shoulders. Many others have talked about what has happened to them in the past for similar cases. Whether it's for DMCA's like RYC Eric, or borked's project he was working on over the past year to name a few.

You've seen how some demented psychotics on GFY have spared no expense to troll people they do not like on a personal level over the years. Whether it was for being banned, or because of some vendetta or pissing war. That will be nothing compared to what you are taking on with this issue.

I am not out to dissuade you. I believe you have made your mind up on the topic. I am simply saying, I wish you the best on this. I hope you have a host willing to suck it up when you are hit with massive DDoS attacks for weeks on end. I hope people start kicking in more than virtual kudos, as you will need cash to follow this through to conclusion.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-11-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Where this road leads, is going to take a whole lot more than a couple of grand carry this torch for "the industry".

I hope AK has found a host who believe in this cause, because it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. You are fucking with people making millions off this business. Right now they probably see him as a piss ant buzzing around causing a lot of ruckus and getting virtual high fives. I would bet they are just waiting for him to give up the one man crusade.

Wait until he actually starts knocking out some of the big boys in the space. I hope AK has a battle hardened DDoS hosting company standing behind him. Although that is not the worst of it to come. There will be death threats against his family, people will be trying to track him down personally, and so on and so forth. I am not talking posting some bullshit on a blog. I mean calling his fucking house.

We have seen similar nutjobs on GFY do this sort of shit after being banned, or because of some personal vendetta. Now imagine some stranger is actually taking away your golden goose paying you millions of dollars per month. Do you not believe there will be legal (and other) retributions?

It's going to cost a lot more time and money that $3k before it's over. I wish AK the best on his journey...

Yes you are onto a key aspect here.
Some of these depicted filelockers" are organized crime.
They too are in the business of killing off.

AdultKing · 07-11-2012, 08:00 PM

There's an interesting thread on a bodybuilding site about this (I hope Eric will forgive me linking to a forum but I it shows the way people are starting to consider the prospect of free porn being limited at some stage)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6412753&page=1

Quote:

from torrentfreak:

http://torrentfreak.com/one-man-army...market-120705/

and

http://torrentfreak.com/paypal-bans-...ncerns-120710/

cliffs on the story:

-free porn is everywhere
-nobody pays for porn
-porn websites and their owners are hurting bad
-blame it on the availability of free porn
-they start going after file hosting and tube sites with visa, mastercard, and paypal
-visa, mastercard, paypal shut down payment processing for any service that touches free porn
-free porn sites can't make money
-free porn sites shut down and no b0ner for you

more info at: http://stopfilelockers.com

This could end free pr0n on the internet as we know it (srs) and it's all because of 1 single man.

First have to understand the economic model of "free", it's not really free it's just being subsidized by somebody else. Either through other people paying for "premium" access to mediafire/rapidshare/oron/filefactory/youjizz/youporn/etc or through advertisements or any combination of both. Most well known and obvious model of this is myfreecams, where you can watch for free and let others spend their money on "tips" but free porn sites have bills to pay too, they need web hosting, a **** load of storage, tons of bandwidth, and of course the regular expenses that any business requires.

In order to meet all of these needs free porn sites make money in one of 2 ways:

1. Premium access - This is more common with file hosting services (rapidshare, mediafire, oron, etc but some free tube sites like youjizz and youporn have premium memberships too where you pay something like $4 per month and get faster and unlimited downloads. Visa, mastercard, and paypal are putting an end to this, it's absolutely 0 tolerance for this model and as you can see in the torrentfreak link above they are already shutting down sites that use this business model.

2. Advertisements - You've seen the ads: "local moms looking to fuk", "this **** will make your penis fat bro", "doctor discovers penis enlargement pill that works", "hot sluts in your town, join for free", etc. For dating sites a lot of them claim to be free but actually if you want to send a message, view a profile, or any of that you have to buy a "premium" membership with your credit card. Same for the dik pills, they claim to be free but only after you signup with a trial which requires your credit card.

These are the types of ads that fund and fuel free porn sites but what visa, mastercard, and paypal are doing is saying that even sponsoring (aka advertising) free porn can get your ability to process credit card payments revoked. As a result advertisers will not put ads on these sites, which means they won't make any money off of ads, which means they won't make any money AT ALL so they'll have to shut down and no more free porn for you.

How it affects torrents:

Many public torrent sites like thepiratebay rely on ads and the advertisers there would be under the same scrutiny as advertisers on free porn sites so they're not going to risk losing the ability to process credit card payments just to advertise on there but it also affects private trackers because remember nothing is free, it's just subsidized.

So far the following companies have had their payment systems terminated:

DepositFiles.com
Uploading.com
mediafire.com
CramIt.in
imgchili.com
filedefend.com
filegag.com
letitbit.net
hitfile.net
easy-share.com
filestay.com
pigsonic.com
filerose.com

And now the people behind the "stop free porn" movement are setting up a non profit with volunteers and a collaboration system that is directly linked to visa, mastercard, and paypal so now instead of just 1 single guy working to shut down all these free porn sites, there will be hundreds if not thousands.

So with all this in mind and with the best possible advice being considered these are the things that have been done and are in the process of being done.

1. Today an Australian Company Limited by Shares was established as a legal entity to be a container for the whole effort. It's name is Copy Control Pty. Limited. It is established under Australian Corporations law and will live on as an entity in it's own right even if I had to stop working on this for any reason. The corporation also has as a recorded minuted decision of it's first meeting, to re-invest any profit each year back into the corporation, so it will act like a non profit in that all excess funds go into further expansion of operations and not into anyone's pocket.

2. It is not legal for an Australian Company Limited by Shares to raise funds such as dontations without a charitable fundraising permit. It is also unlikely that our operations would be considered charitable. Therefore to everyone who has contributed and anyone who wishes to contribute in future, you will have the option of receiving a paid invoice for "Copyright Protection Services" to the amount contributed. If you don't want in invoice that's fine, but if you do let me know and we will send you one by mail or if you prefer as a PDF in email.

3. As everyone knows we are finalizing our collaboration system. We have chosen Podio as the system we are going to use. The main reason it was chosen is that we already have experience with it. The secondary reason was that if you can use Facebook you can use Podio. With Podio we can assign people different roles and different levels of access.

It is even possible to provide people observer or guest access to see overall operations without revealing higher level confidential information. So for example a guest might be able to see our targets and compare them to our milestones. A guest might be able to tip us off about a site to target and will be able to search for targets we have already dealt with.

The Podio system will be rolled out in stages. Initially we will have only a handful of volunteers use it. However in the long term I see it becoming a centralised clearing house where people can report piracy in file lockers to begin with, then see a result. In other words we will have a system that provides a level of transparency and where people can see actual results as they happen.

4. People have suggest I cannot keep this up forever, this is true to an extent. This stopped being a solo effort a little while ago, however now we have clearly defined strategies in place we can spread the load beyond just my staff. As things progress I will be able to spend more time on oversight than actual slaying. I will be able to concentrate on the relationships with billing companies, credit card companies, ISP's , Network Providers and so on.

5. As of writing I own Stop File Lockers, Cold Copy and the other support sites, the web hosting and all the databases and so forth. However from midnight tonight all of that is officially and legally transferred to Copy Control Pty. Limited. No longer will I personally own or be liable for any of it.

6. If someone wants to sue us for whats on a site then they can only sue the legal entity. I will not be legally liable for any of it. The most that anyone launching a law suit can expect to receive is what assets the company holds, which is virtually nothing but contributions and a few domain names, databases, software and some office supplies.

7. As many people have been generous and have contributed in many ways I have decided to match all contributions dollar for dollar out of my own pocket to a cap of $50,000.

8. The company on it's website will publish financial reports and milestone reports on a quarterly basis for anyone to scrutinize. Additionally contributors will have access to guest access on Podio to watch how their contributions are spent and what progress is being made on targets.

9. We are working hard to streamline our reporting to Paypal and become more efficient at doing so. The collaboration system based on Podio will help us do that.

10. We will not need to focus on illegal pornography to keep Paypal's attention, nor that of Visa and Mastercard and the other processors. The issue of piracy is enough so from today onward we will simply report any suspicion of illegal pornography to the appropriate authorities and not deal with it in our blog posts or reports any longer. We are not qualified to do make any kind of judgement about what's a misleading liink name and what's dangerous material. We never open links so we can never know what's really behind them anyway. The authorities are best placed to deal with these issues.

11. We will , as some of you know, be launching a toll free hotline in the UK, USA and Australia/New Zealand for people to report sites to us. All we will ask for from callers is the name of the site and the type of material they found. No caller will be asked for URL's or details beyond those two simple things. Callers may speak to a live operator or leave a recorded message with their reports. We have delayed the introduction of the hotline until incorporation and will set about a launch date for some time next week.

12. If anyone has any questions, comments, criticisms or concerns I'd be glad to hear them.

Thanks for putting up with such a long post but I thought it was important to clearly state what was being done and why.
pepper your wallet misc, you will be forced to pay for porn soon. Either because the free porn will dry up since there is nobody to subsidize it or because they will join forces with religious/conservative groups and lobby the government for "adult verification" aka prove you're over 18 by providing your credit card in order to be allowed to see "obscene content".

bean-aid · 07-11-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

As I said... I hope you fully understand what you have signed up for.

You are taking this issue on your shoulders. Many others have talked about what has happened to them in the past for similar cases. Whether it's for DMCA's like RYC Eric, or borked's project he was working on over the past year to name a few.

You've seen how some demented psychotics on GFY have spared no expense to troll people they do not like on a personal level over the years. Whether it was for being banned, or because of some vendetta or pissing war. That will be nothing compared to what you are taking on with this issue.

I am not out to dissuade you. I believe you have made your mind up on the topic. I am simply saying, I wish you the best on this. I hope you have a host willing to suck it up when you are hit with massive DDoS attacks for weeks on end. I hope people start kicking in more than virtual kudos, as you will need cash to follow this through to conclusion.

I hope you understand that you have no balls

Barefootsies · 07-11-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I hope you understand that you have no balls

This coming from some troll 2.0 and a previously banned mcfadden nick.

At least under your old nick you handled yourself like someone who at least appeared as if he was full time in this industry and had a few bucks to his name. That is... other than your 12clicks obsession that ultimately ended in your repeated banning.

Now you're little more than some annoying fly buzzing around seeking attention.

bean-aid · 07-11-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

This coming from some troll 2.0 and a previously banned mcfadden nick.

At least under your old nick you handled yourself like someone who at least appeared as if he was full time in this industry and had a few bucks to his name. That is... other than your 12clicks obsession that ultimately ended in your repeated banning.

Now you're little more than some annoying fly buzzing around seeking attention.

Your statement that I quoted shows you have no balls... you have no balls. You take somebody's efforts that has many more balls then you and you tell him to *watch out*. You really are a pussy.

You shouldn't have pissed me off. If you weren't such a dick bag we wouldn't be doing this. But when I see you belittling other people's efforts I will call you out. Do you think you were not belittling AK's efforts by telling him to "watch out". That is indescreetly telling him to watch his back, not that you would have his back, but basically trying to instill fear in him.

I think what I summarized is accurate and true. You are just a pussy with no balls.

JOKER · 07-11-2012, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

Your statement that I quoted shows you have no balls... you have no balls. You take somebody's efforts that has many more balls then you and you tell him to *watch out*. You really are a pussy.

You shouldn't have pissed me off. If you weren't such a dick bag we wouldn't be doing this. But when I see you belittling other people's efforts I will call you out. Do you think you were not belittling AK's efforts by telling him to "watch out". That is indescreetly telling him to watch his back, not that you would have his back, but basically trying to instill fear in him.

I think what I summarized is accurate and true. You are just a pussy with no balls.

However you see it, he has a valid point.

I wouldn't fuck with AK though, who ever does might be in for a surprise.

bean-aid · 07-11-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER

However you see it, he has a valid point.

I wouldn't fuck with AK though, who ever does might be in for a surprise.

I just think this industry has no balls in general. It is something that I have thought for awhile with all the tubes and everyone giving away there content, watching content worth 1000 selling for 20 bucks. But not just the content, sites not selling either. Just a huge circle of circle jerk not selling subscriptions. I'm not talking about the CJ of the old days... I'm talking about a content producer calling me up on the phone and asking if I wanted to buy his entire collection for $800. Shit he would have sold for 20K... actually he wouldn't have sold... would have made much more by just shooting.

This industry has not pulled together at all and it is every man for himself. In this thread I see some hope... and let it continue. I think that inherently this industry has limited balls, I think BF has no balls, but that is what I think and everyone else can carry on.

I will be making a donation, however, to the cause, and I will be available to help as well. What I need is a task. Let me know what I can do.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

There's an interesting thread on a bodybuilding site about this (I hope Eric will forgive me linking to a forum but I it shows the way people are starting to consider the prospect of free porn being limited at some stage)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6412753&page=1

In their article they talk about the paid supports of free porn yet missed the biggest support. It's people paying for the product they steal. Without others buying and spending money to produce, there would be no free porn.

Let's not make this an argument between ourselves.

19teenporn · 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM

Bumping this to the top

Nautilus · 07-12-2012, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Announcing to the world the formation of Copy Control.

http://stopfilelockers.com/introduci...ercial-piracy/

Fantastic news AK

I'm really glad to see you're making steps towards transforming SFL into the ongoing serious effort backed by our entire industry.

Nautilus · 07-12-2012, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We have been in communication with Alex from FilesPost.com and he wishes to become compliant so we have held off action until discussions early next week,

We are happy to speak to any file locker that wishes to change their ways so long as they are serious about it, if not then we're going after every form of payment processing they have.

I think that rather than individual negotiations with each file locker, it'll be better to post an official guideline for all of them to follow with the list of recommendations as to how to become compliant and to avoid becoming a target for Copy Control.

That will also look good public relations wise, because it'll make it clear what kind of sites we're after, and that we're also giving them a chance of changing the ways they operate and not simply slaying the frak out of all of them. That will be a tough guideline of course, because it will be meant to really stop piracy at file lockers and not simply implementing some cosmetic changes such as to disallow content of a few selected copyright holders to be illegally "shared", and many of them will not be able to follow because piracy is their only source of income. But at least we'll give them a chance which always looks good in the eyes of public opinion, and also it'll help to further build relationships with serious organizations such as Paypal and VISA/MC.

This guideline could look as following:

1. Follow DMCA law to the letter (that includes having an effective repeat infringer policy).
2. Monitor the incoming traffic on a daily basic, and if visitors from known piracy sites (see the list) are noticed, investigate immediatly - ban posters who post there and remove all files that were uploaded by these posters. You can also block traffic from those confirmed piracy sites through htaccess file.
3. Implement standard technical measures to prevent infringements, such as MD5 and DFP. Do not interfere with them.
4. Establish and implement a reasonable and transparent policy for copyright holders to apply for instant take down accounts.
5. Stopping adult content piracy is not enough. We support all legit creative industries, and we'll still report your site if it allows copyrighted movies, tv shows, software or music to be "shared" illegally. Cleaning up your acts means stopping piracy altogether, not only adult content piracy.
6. .....

If you agree with the idea I can put a draft together and post it for discussion.

Jel · 07-12-2012, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

There's an interesting thread on a bodybuilding site about this (I hope Eric will forgive me linking to a forum but I it shows the way people are starting to consider the prospect of free porn being limited at some stage)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6412753&page=1

That's a really interesting thread, and shows the mentality of people who just don't understand that *someone* has to cover costs. Quite funny in a way that they think there'll be tons of sites up showing untold free porn and making zero money from it

AdultKing · 07-12-2012, 01:55 AM

Nautilus if you could write a draft that would be great.

Beaner, we'll invite you into the collaboration system. Leave me your icq or skype or email them to me through the contact form on stopfilelockers.com and i will be in touch.

Paul, I saw your ICQ earlier but I was out, I will be in touch later tonight.

Jel · 07-12-2012, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus

I think that rather than individual negotiations with each file locker, it'll be better to post an official guideline for all of them to follow with the list of recommendations as to how to become compliant and to avoid becoming a target for Copy Control.

That will also look good public relations wise, because it'll make it clear what kind of sites we're after, and that we're also giving them a chance of changing the ways they operate and not simply slaying the frak out of all of them. That will be a tough guideline of course, because it will be meant to really stop piracy at file lockers and not simply implementing some cosmetic changes such as to disallow content of a few selected copyright holders to be illegally "shared", and many of them will not be able to follow because piracy is their only source of income. But at least we'll give them a chance which always looks good in the eyes of public opinion, and also it'll help to further build relationships with serious organizations such as Paypal and VISA/MC.

This guideline could look as following:

1. Follow DMCA law to the letter (that includes having an effective repeat infringer policy).
2. Monitor the incoming traffic on a daily basic, and if visitors from known piracy sites (see the list) are noticed, investigate immediatly - ban posters who post there and remove all files that were uploaded by these posters. You can also block traffic from those confirmed piracy sites through htaccess file.
3. Implement standard technical measures to prevent infringements, such as MD5 and DFP. Do not interfere with them.
4. Establish and implement a reasonable and transparent policy for copyright holders to apply for instant take down accounts.
5. Stopping adult content piracy is not enough. We support all legit creative industries, and we'll still report your site if it allows copyrighted movies, tv shows, software or music to be "shared" illegally. Cleaning up your acts means stopping piracy altogether, not only adult content piracy.
6. .....

If you agree with the idea I can put a draft together and post it for discussion.

AdultKing · 07-12-2012, 02:34 AM

It's probably important to note that there are several organizations all targeting file lockers and Paypal are, in their own right, reviewing many of them.

ACIUF have been working to combat such piracy as have other Piracy groups, so not all of the Paypal terminations are based on Stop File Lockers.

For example, we reported some sites to Paypal today that they already knew about, so they are obviously getting information from multiple sources.

It seems more and more that Paypal are taking a stronger line against any sort of piracy that is monetized through Paypal.

Slappin Fish · 07-12-2012, 02:41 AM

Great job ADK

Any news about Netload's Paypal account? These guys are one of the daddys, aggressive affiliate program.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2012, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's probably important to note that there are several organizations all targeting file lockers and Paypal are, in their own right, reviewing many of them.

ACIUF have been working to combat such piracy as have other Piracy groups, so not all of the Paypal terminations are based on Stop File Lockers.

For example, we reported some sites to Paypal today that they already knew about, so they are obviously getting information from multiple sources.

It seems more and more that Paypal are taking a stronger line against any sort of piracy that is monetized through Paypal.

Cutting the money supply to piracy will deal is a massive blow. Ultimately moving on, after Paypal are dealing with piracy sites properly, to other processors is a logical step.

seeandsee · 07-12-2012, 03:42 AM

Paypal did't know nothing before this started?

)))))

Three.Thousand · 07-12-2012, 03:55 AM

the mere fact that these file lockers use wjunction as some kind of support forum is just a big joke. its a haven for pirates, so posting there just shows that they fully know what their users are up to. they should instead hang out at, i dunno, webhostingtalk or something.

not one of them have posted on wjunction asking its users to stop uploading stolen content, and instead focus on funny cat videos. THAT sure is, by miles, the absolute easiest way to keep your billing.

AlexShark · 07-12-2012, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee

Paypal did't know nothing before this started?

)))))

Of course not

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com

I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.

DWB · 07-12-2012, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Of course not

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com

I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.

After seeing shit like that, the issue of a "slow economy" being part of the reason why the porn business is slow, is taken out of the equation. People are spending money, just not on paysites. Many of those sales paypal got, would have otherwise come to the porn industry.

Logically it makes sense to join a locker. Join MY site for 19.95 and get access to all of MY videos. Or join a locker for 9.95 and get access to ALL porn videos, ALL Hollywood videos, ALL music, and ALL software. Even if everyone dropped their price to match the lockers, you still can't compete.

AlexShark · 07-12-2012, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

After seeing shit like that, the issue of a "slow economy" being part of the reason why the porn business is slow, is taken out of the equation. People are spending money, just not on paysites. Many of those sales paypal got, would have otherwise come to the porn industry.

Logically it makes sense to join a locker. Join MY site for 19.95 and get access to all of MY videos. Or join a locker for 9.95 and get access to ALL porn videos, ALL Hollywood videos, ALL music, and ALL software. Even if everyone dropped their price to match the lockers, you still can't compete.

So I wanna know what would PayPal's next move be...
Cut the personnel or allow file lockers again pretending that they have to obey rules?

I really wanna see the face of PayPal's managers every time they click FREEZE on a file locker account

Paul Markham · 07-12-2012, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Of course not

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com

I am sure PayPal is the really one in Panic from this situation, not the filelockers that can just find different ways to get paid. I am sure if they would be using Western Union and Money Gram, people that are interest in that service would adapt themselves.

Paypal can see this is a can of worms that when opened will drag them in.

Let pirates try to run the business on Western Union and they'll see how good it is.

AdultKing · 07-12-2012, 06:03 AM

It's already been explained that the Alexa drop was caused by regional Paypal switching from www.paypal.com/au to www.paypal-austalia.com.au and similar regional sites around the world.

Don't make something out of nothing, all the Alexa stats show is that Paypal.com has dropped, it doesn't explain why and I have just explained why above.

Also, Paypal were investigating some of these sites long before Stop File Lockers began, in fact a couple of the bigger ones have revealed they were talking to Paypal from the beginning of the year.

We can't claim credit for some of the bigger sites, like mediafire or deposit files because those sites were already under active investigation by Paypal it seems. I don't know this for sure, but there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest this is true.

Let's not kid ourselves, Stop File Lockers has made some noise, yes, but I think it's been just a case of timing in some cases.

ACIUF have been sending reports to Paypal on many of these sites for months, as have other anti-piracy groups. I think the sensationalism of the "One man Army" is ridiculous when lot's of people and organizations are involved in this effort.

Copy Control will be important to fight piracy, it's a tool the whole industry and those outside the industry can use and it will probably be very effective, however let's not kid ourselves here - there are other large organizations fighting these battles as well.

adultmobile · 07-12-2012, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexShark

Of course not

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com

Ok so -27% pageviews in 1 month, and -47% pageviews in 7 days.
Let's say a 33% of landings to pay pages, how many dollars is that?
PayPal?s 2011 annual revenue was $4.4 billion (of which $2.2 billion USA) from $118 billion of transactions (their commission around 5%).
But, this is not $30 billion sales less and $1.3 billion less in revenue, guys.
Ebay and other type of sales are in average bigger than file lockers (under $10 each), also lots of those landings from filelockers was people clicking the pay link but not paying really - it is like count landings to your join or ccbill/epoch pages like all it was sales.
So file lockers may account for >30% of paypal pay page traffic, but less % of revenue, let's say 3%-5% (don't take it as science!), it would still be more than a billion dollar a year sales (enough to pay hosting of dozens file lockers), and 50 million dollar revenue for PayPal ($4+ million dollar per month profits less).
So congrats to PayPal that's a lot of money they lose there just for be compliant.

To have real numbers f file sharing revenue lost, just look at this page after a year:

https://www.paypal-media.com/about

"PayPal revenues for Q1 2012 were $1.3 billion, growing 32 percent year over year."
->
What it will be in Q3 and Q4 2012?

VenusBlogger · 07-12-2012, 06:22 AM

Respect to Adult King, it really needs some balls to do what he does.

Wish it could be done 5 years ago and not now.

Problem now is that half of the adult webmaster population has turned into illegal activities, so you will see less support for what you are doing, because many of the guys that were here many years ago, are now working on those sites or FOR those sites or benefiting in some way from them, and the rest just leave adult...

The damage has been done for many years, so it will be very very hard to fight it. But considering the amount of energy you are putting in, something could be changed, despite that most of those sites are very established.

adultmobile · 07-12-2012, 06:23 AM

Until 1 June, paypal had their australia etc. traffic, google trends is delayed 1 month we need to see it in august to know June and later (where drop is shown in alexa):

http://trends.google.com/websites?date=mtd&q=paypal.com

however, if traffic was moved to regional sites, then regional sites traffic should have accordingly increased, instead I see traffic stable in regional sites, and french one dropped -42% like the .com:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com.au
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.ca
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.it
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.de
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.fr

Now I wonder in what regional site the traffic gone, I tried a few and no one increased traffic really?

AdultKing · 07-12-2012, 06:40 AM

It's been slowly rolled out over the whole world, so I am sure that it all adds up.

I do not believe for one second Paypal have dropped that much in traffic because of File Lockers.

Nautilus · 07-12-2012, 07:03 AM

Meanwhile shareflare and vip-file both stopped offering paypal for payments.

IanUK · 07-12-2012, 07:54 AM

Like many here I've been following this thread, looks like you may have just had a massive hit, FileFactory's PayPal account isn't working as of now.

Axeman · 07-12-2012, 07:56 AM

Any more in roads made with Visa and MC AK?

07-11-2012, 04:13 PM	#1254
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Involve mainstream companies too Even though mainstream companies dont want to associate with "adult" stuff in any shape or form, this may be one opportunity where they may be able to back up the campaign in the long run by providing manpower, help and funds. A cursory search for expensive softwares and applications on google brings out thousands upon thousands of links to pirated copies of these uploaded to various filehosting sites. The damage done is literally in millions of $. Another target to bring down could be the various forums that blatantly allow such links to be posted on their boards. In an ironic twist to the tale, many of the boards were killed by file lockers as their only source of income (restricted area subscriptions) dried out quickly. The ad supported model does not even pay for server cost so lots of them have folded up or are sick of pirates using their forums for making money. Once the free forums are removed from the picture, pirates will find it very difficult to manage thousands of downloads for the pirated booty. No downloads, no sales = no money

07-11-2012, 06:29 PM	#1257
NetHorse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,526	Can we get a recap? Have you guys hit any of the big lockers? Hotfile, Bitshare, Oron, netload.in, letitbit.net, depositfiles? Great work BTW, I don't have time to follow this thread but it's about fucking time!! __________________ ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ ICQ # 427013273

07-12-2012, 03:42 AM	#1287
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	Paypal did't know nothing before this started? ))))) __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here

07-12-2012, 06:22 AM	#1295
VenusBlogger So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,540	Respect to Adult King, it really needs some balls to do what he does. Wish it could be done 5 years ago and not now. Problem now is that half of the adult webmaster population has turned into illegal activities, so you will see less support for what you are doing, because many of the guys that were here many years ago, are now working on those sites or FOR those sites or benefiting in some way from them, and the rest just leave adult... The damage has been done for many years, so it will be very very hard to fight it. But considering the amount of energy you are putting in, something could be changed, despite that most of those sites are very established. Last edited by VenusBlogger; 07-12-2012 at 06:23 AM..

07-12-2012, 06:23 AM	#1296
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	Until 1 June, paypal had their australia etc. traffic, google trends is delayed 1 month we need to see it in august to know June and later (where drop is shown in alexa): http://trends.google.com/websites?date=mtd&q=paypal.com however, if traffic was moved to regional sites, then regional sites traffic should have accordingly increased, instead I see traffic stable in regional sites, and french one dropped -42% like the .com: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.com.au http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.ca http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.it http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.de http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paypal.fr Now I wonder in what regional site the traffic gone, I tried a few and no one increased traffic really? __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

07-11-2012, 06:09 PM	#1255
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	I'm going to let others take credit for 1hostclick.com, I am not sure how late we came to the party on that site so I would be reticent taking credit for it. BTW: I'm back now

07-11-2012, 06:14 PM	#1256
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	I'm disappointed to see DepositFiles.com still processing through Paypal. I've contacted Paypal and am hoping for a resolution sooner rather than later.

07-11-2012, 06:38 PM	#1258
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	Letitbit have been terminated by Paypal, Deposit files were but seem to have come back. Bitshare we have finished our reports and sent them to Paypal who I believe are still investigating. There's a list of those we believe were terminated here: http://stopfilelockers.com/huge-payp...-file-lockers/ Some have come back with accounts they had on ice and we are chipping away at those right now. We are expecting another large site to stop using Paypal on the weekend but for legal reasons cannot divulge any further information. We have been in communication with Alex from FilesPost.com and he wishes to become compliant so we have held off action until discussions early next week, We are happy to speak to any file locker that wishes to change their ways so long as they are serious about it, if not then we're going after every form of payment processing they have. Someone claiming to be from DepositFiles.com made contact on 6th July 2012, his name was Erik and he claimed to be a lawyer from Germany. There has been no further contact and quite frankly they have done nothing to demonstrate that they want to be compliant, contrary they have just shown that they want to milk the business for all they can get without taking abuse seriously. Until they demonstrate to us that they will enter reasonable dialogue and deal with the substantive issues seriously I consider them a high priority target for our operations.

07-11-2012, 06:47 PM	#1259
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	We are currently dealing with the following sites on a high priority basis http://allmyvideos.net/premium.html http://am4share.com/premium.html http://www.24uploads.com/ http://4savefile.com http://1hostclick.com was in this list but as everyone knows they are now gone from Paypal, if they return like so many others we'll go at them again. I understand from this thread that the ACIUF were also going after them so I'm not going to claim that as a kill. Personally I don't see any of this as a competition, I'm happy if a non compliant and illegal file locker goes through the results of anyones work.

07-11-2012, 06:55 PM	#1260
Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE Barterer Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,864	I can tell you right now deposit files are going to be the ones ddosing.

07-11-2012, 07:15 PM	#1262
19teenporn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: En la reverendisima concha de tu madre! Posts: 3,034	Bump for great plans

07-11-2012, 07:21 PM	#1264
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	Announcing to the world the formation of Copy Control. http://stopfilelockers.com/introduci...ercial-piracy/ There won't be much slaying going on today, we are working hard on getting everything in place for the collaboration system and dealing with some back office issues to streamline processes even further. We expect more updates Friday and Saturday. As things settle into a routine we expect to have daily updates from Monday through Friday and we will not be reporting (unless events dictate) much on the weekend as all the processors work during business hours around the globe.

07-11-2012, 07:48 PM	#1268
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	It's already begun, false accusations and "we must stop this guy". Thing is it's too late. It's not just me anymore, there's a whole corporation to wipe out now if they want to stop this, complete with staff, volunteers and contributors. In one thread about a Paypal Terminated file locker someone wrote: And in another thread the operators of ShareFlare (somehow related to LetitBit) have posted this: Copy Control now runs the ball game. It's hard to get rid of a company with it's own lines of management and proper succession plans in place.

07-12-2012, 12:45 AM	#1278
19teenporn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: En la reverendisima concha de tu madre! Posts: 3,034	Bumping this to the top

07-12-2012, 01:55 AM	#1282
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	Nautilus if you could write a draft that would be great. Beaner, we'll invite you into the collaboration system. Leave me your icq or skype or email them to me through the contact form on stopfilelockers.com and i will be in touch. Paul, I saw your ICQ earlier but I was out, I will be in touch later tonight.

07-12-2012, 02:34 AM	#1284
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	It's probably important to note that there are several organizations all targeting file lockers and Paypal are, in their own right, reviewing many of them. ACIUF have been working to combat such piracy as have other Piracy groups, so not all of the Paypal terminations are based on Stop File Lockers. For example, we reported some sites to Paypal today that they already knew about, so they are obviously getting information from multiple sources. It seems more and more that Paypal are taking a stronger line against any sort of piracy that is monetized through Paypal.

07-12-2012, 02:41 AM	#1285
Slappin Fish Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,511	Great job ADK Any news about Netload's Paypal account? These guys are one of the daddys, aggressive affiliate program.

07-12-2012, 03:55 AM	#1288
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	the mere fact that these file lockers use wjunction as some kind of support forum is just a big joke. its a haven for pirates, so posting there just shows that they fully know what their users are up to. they should instead hang out at, i dunno, webhostingtalk or something. not one of them have posted on wjunction asking its users to stop uploading stolen content, and instead focus on funny cat videos. THAT sure is, by miles, the absolute easiest way to keep your billing.

07-12-2012, 06:03 AM	#1293
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	It's already been explained that the Alexa drop was caused by regional Paypal switching from www.paypal.com/au to www.paypal-austalia.com.au and similar regional sites around the world. Don't make something out of nothing, all the Alexa stats show is that Paypal.com has dropped, it doesn't explain why and I have just explained why above. Also, Paypal were investigating some of these sites long before Stop File Lockers began, in fact a couple of the bigger ones have revealed they were talking to Paypal from the beginning of the year. We can't claim credit for some of the bigger sites, like mediafire or deposit files because those sites were already under active investigation by Paypal it seems. I don't know this for sure, but there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest this is true. Let's not kid ourselves, Stop File Lockers has made some noise, yes, but I think it's been just a case of timing in some cases. ACIUF have been sending reports to Paypal on many of these sites for months, as have other anti-piracy groups. I think the sensationalism of the "One man Army" is ridiculous when lot's of people and organizations are involved in this effort. Copy Control will be important to fight piracy, it's a tool the whole industry and those outside the industry can use and it will probably be very effective, however let's not kid ourselves here - there are other large organizations fighting these battles as well.

07-12-2012, 06:40 AM	#1297
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	It's been slowly rolled out over the whole world, so I am sure that it all adds up. I do not believe for one second Paypal have dropped that much in traffic because of File Lockers.

07-12-2012, 07:03 AM	#1298
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07-12-2012, 07:54 AM	#1299
IanUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 51	Like many here I've been following this thread, looks like you may have just had a massive hit, FileFactory's PayPal account isn't working as of now.

07-12-2012, 07:56 AM	#1300
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