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Old 04-19-2013, 12:52 PM   #5151
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Hey AK, AntiWarez here. NukePiracy allowed me to post this since it's proof against Lumfile.

So I've tied them to multiple websites containing underage content and piracy.

His user info from WJunction's DB led me to this.



This email is tied to multiple warez domains.

Here's a few,
Down4all.us
thehotmovie.info
gfxshare.us
jav-daily.com
javgate.com
guploads.com
dl4all.us
ptupro.com
Newdvdfilm.info
aloalo.mobi
ptupro-webserver1.info
ptupro-webserver2.info
ptupro-webserver3.info
lifetimewarez.com
thunglungphim.com

Many more.. but I won't list all
(I wouldn't advise going on them as they might be unsafe or contain underage content.)

His Address:

BINH NGUYEN ([email protected])
+84.905105500
Fax: +1.5555555555
To 23, phuong Vinh Trung
Thanh Khe, Da Nang 59000
VN

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwhois.stsoftware.biz %2Flumfile-com.htm
Screenshot incase cache is updated. > i.imgur.com/4VSbmnK.png (not allowed to post URL's)

It also seems he knows "Lumfile" might end up being closed and has started a new filehost named "ZeFile.com" The site has all of Lumfiles CSS/JS and contains the same analytics code.


Now the proof I can't really post here but it has been passed on to the FBI and other child protection agency's. but the simple fact is he owns and runs sites with underage content. and hosts it on Lumfile further proving his guilt.

Now the sad part? I tried to get Lumfile/ZeFile banned from WJunction but M/Hawk wouldn't ban even when I sent a picture of a girls face to him and he said she was underage.

Sorry Hawk respected you but now Katz have accepted money from filehosts allowing CP,
Capone/Simon has been linked and you still talk and the PM's I found where RT (WJunction smod) coded a theme for a site with CP on it.


(I censored that part of the image. it also contained Lumfile links and Lumfile Ads.)



@AK If you would like any filehost info from WJunction's database just say.
As did Simon/Capone so does Hawk/M support those that promote this type of content. My posts in the WJ staff section were posted as screen shots about lumfile not removing reported CP, the admins ordered nothing be done about it. The WJ administration will not risk loosing traffic, even when presented with proof, by removing a rogue cyber locker.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:02 PM   #5152
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As did Simon/Capone so does Hawk/M support those that promote this type of content. My posts in the WJ staff section were posted as screen shots about lumfile not removing reported CP, the admins ordered nothing be done about it. The WJ administration will not risk loosing traffic, even when presented with proof, by removing a rogue cyber locker.
Sadly I agree WDF. Also, one of the WJ staff tried to add me to Skype and I just noticed both Lumfile/ZeFile are banned from WJunction. One of the admins posted this, wjunction.com/1807204-post5894.htm
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:15 PM   #5153
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im wondering when the uploadmonkeys will show again in this thread
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:19 PM   #5154
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Sadly I agree WDF. Also, one of the WJ staff tried to add me to Skype and I just noticed both Lumfile/ZeFile are banned from WJunction. One of the admins posted this, wjunction.com/1807204-post5894.htm
I sent em' some info. Ban happened right away after that. Said it was the last of the proof needed.

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:54 PM   #5155
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I sent em' some info. Ban happened right away after that. Said it was the last of the proof needed.
Naa they knew as I sent proof. they had proof already but didn't ban. I know Hawk is busy IRL but 30 seconds to ban is not hard. and it's a valid reason. So I deleted hawk.


Anyway least they got banned. now to wait for the owner of lumfile/zefile to end up in prison
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:07 PM   #5156
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Naa they knew as I sent proof. they had proof already but didn't ban. I know Hawk is busy IRL but 30 seconds to ban is not hard. and it's a valid reason. So I deleted hawk.


Anyway least they got banned. now to wait for the owner of lumfile/zefile to end up in prison
The reason they were not banned earlier by hawk was:

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[4:07:33 PM] _______: problem is, he won't click on links under any circumstance, and I understand him
So, essentially, if you sent him proof a file host they allow to conduct business on their website, is supporting and promoting the abuse of children, he won't bother checking or deal with it because it may bother his eyes and his bottom line.

I look at this as he (WJ) is supporting it just as much as the guy (lumfile) posting the links.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:21 PM   #5157
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The reason they were not banned earlier by hawk was:



So, essentially, if you sent him proof a file host they allow to conduct business on their website, is supporting and promoting the abuse of children, he won't bother checking or deal with it because it may bother his eyes and his bottom line.

I look at this as he (WJ) is supporting it just as much as the guy (lumfile) posting the links.
Ah, there's the catch he was pretold what he was linked to was safe. the "abuse" had been removed and you could only see the girls face and the "Lumfile info" even then he could have just check the who.is information against the user info from WJ.

In my eyes this is a cop out. I hate to say this but I reckon he might have been paid.
Just like Capone/Simon. Who I will say it here HAS been proven to be linked to child abuse/underage content. Not just by me but WDF and a hacker named "Z" who put a rat on Simon's desktop and found the content on his drives. A simple check on his Skype name linked him to it. Another thing, Hawk has known me since 2008 and everytime I say something it is fact and not fiction. that's how I ended up as staff on WJ as I didn't even need staff access to know who was who.

Anyway, enough derailing this topic.

AK, Not sure if you're aware you posted a sharpfile.com link above. seems they're coming back and also linked to FileBox.com
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:22 PM   #5158
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im wondering when the uploadmonkeys will show again in this thread
I have already seen an increase in traffic in the related thread on my site, no comments yet though. I am certain they will be here soon crying about being denied their freedom of speech not being able to post their CP.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:24 PM   #5159
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Ah, there's the catch he was pretold what he was linked to was safe.

In my eyes this is a cop out.
Oh I know.

Yup it is a cop-out. They tried to get away with something and didn't.
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The words, too little too late spring to mind. The owners and admins of WJunction will find that they have to face up to the consequences of running WJunction and allowing illegal activities, transactions and support for such illegal activities and transactions to flourish.

If I was in the shoes of the owners and admins of WJunction (knowing what I know) my course of action would be to shut down the entire site and then use that as mitigating circumstances when the eventual consequences arrive.

I can't comment much more on any of this as it all relates to an ongoing operational matter.
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The words, too little too late spring to mind. The owners and admins of WJunction will find that they have to face up to the consequences of running WJunction and allowing illegal activities, transactions and support for such illegal activities and transactions to flourish.

If I was in the shoes of the owners and admins of WJunction (knowing what I know) my course of action would be to shut down the entire site and then use that as mitigating circumstances when the eventual consequences arrive.

I can't comment much more on any of this as it all relates to an ongoing operational matter.
But the golden goose, it still lays eggs.

What I think you'll find is that WJunction is probably ran by some kid who doesn't know that consequence is a fact of life.
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But the golden goose, it still lays eggs.

What I think you'll find is that WJunction is probably ran by some kid who doesn't know that consequence is a fact of life.
He's like 18 now I think. Something like that. I forget.
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The words, too little too late spring to mind. The owners and admins of WJunction will find that they have to face up to the consequences of running WJunction and allowing illegal activities, transactions and support for such illegal activities and transactions to flourish.

If I was in the shoes of the owners and admins of WJunction (knowing what I know) my course of action would be to shut down the entire site and then use that as mitigating circumstances when the eventual consequences arrive.
Exactly! I tried to point out to Hawk that the filehost crap is the problem and the people putting illegal sites in their site lists etc.

I even tried to warn him that if WJunction keeps turning up as evidence in court cases in the end WJunction would be next. He didn't listen sadly and I even suggested what you did AK. and that was close it down and relaunch it as a LEGAL webmaster forum. no filehost rubbish.

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Not a problem I can understand the reasons. If you would like any PM's from WJunction's database just tell me and I'll export them into a text file for you. or I can host a live copy and give you access? I don't mind which ever you feel comfortable with.


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Not a problem I can understand the reasons. If you would like any PM's from WJunction's database just tell me and I'll export them into a text file for you. or I can host a live copy and give you access? I don't mind which ever you feel comfortable with.
I have received a message from you via our website in recent days and I will be in contact at the appropriate time. There is a lot going on at the moment and I do not wish to approach things with half measures. We'll set up a meeting with you in coming weeks.
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We have been targeting DownloadNoLimit.com for some time. ... ACIUF may wish to explain why they are becoming partners with a payment system that is deliberately dedicated to infringing file lockers that routinely rip off the content of rights holders.
The answer is in the news section on aciuf dot org:

"Aciuf?s latest achievement involves one of the biggest resellers of file sharing premium accounts. Our continuous negotiations with reseller Downloadnolimit.com brought us huge benefits. In fact, the foundation?s members are the first ones to benefit from this collaboration. By having this big reseller on our side we gain exclusive rights ; therefore, our members are 100% sure that whenever their content is found on one of those file sharing sites it will be taken down in a few hours."
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I don't see ChipIn on your site anymore... about to donate some more money
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Contributions via Paxum at [email protected] or via Paypal at [email protected]


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I'll wait for AK to confirm those addresses... what happened with chipin?

also, hoping you are putting pressure on mountfile, I hear from my staff that the fuckers do not delete files after being DMCA'd
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I'll wait for AK to confirm those addresses... what happened with chipin?

also, hoping you are putting pressure on mountfile, I hear from my staff that the fuckers do not delete files after being DMCA'd
The mentioned email addresses are correct.

Both Paxum and Paypal donations also work with [email protected] that was added recently so there is no confusion about the donation email address.

Regarding ACIUF: If this deal only helps ACIUF members, then I find the "agreement" or however they call it highly suspicious.

This sentence may as well be a freudian slip if you re-read it carefully.

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The answer is in the news section on aciuf dot org:

"Aciuf?s latest achievement involves one of the biggest resellers of file sharing premium accounts. Our continuous negotiations with reseller Downloadnolimit.com brought us huge benefits. In fact, the foundation?s members are the first ones to benefit from this collaboration. By having this big reseller on our side we gain exclusive rights ; therefore, our members are 100% sure that whenever their content is found on one of those file sharing sites it will be taken down in a few hours."
This is what's referred to as a protection racket.
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Both Paxum and Paypal donations also work with [email protected] that was added recently so there is no confusion about the donation email address.
I'll keep that in mind next time.
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The answer is in the news section on aciuf dot org:

"Aciuf?s latest achievement involves one of the biggest resellers of file sharing premium accounts. Our continuous negotiations with reseller Downloadnolimit.com brought us huge benefits. In fact, the foundation?s members are the first ones to benefit from this collaboration. By having this big reseller on our side we gain exclusive rights ; therefore, our members are 100% sure that whenever their content is found on one of those file sharing sites it will be taken down in a few hours."
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This is what's referred to as a protection racket.
Ahh so this is what this part of the message means?

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No offense to Siep, but this just reaks like bad fish to me. And that's just my humble, personal opinion.
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I like ACIUF's April 10th article Extabit.com - on the edge

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ACIUF has put together evidence that shows the nature of the activities Extabit is involved in and sent it over to its payment processors. As a result, there is only one payment processor left for Extabit.com.

We are constantly monitoring Extabit and in accordance with this descending trend of popularity, we are not planning in giving them a break.
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I like ACIUF's April 10th article Extabit.com - on the edge

Top Notch, Stand Up!
Funny how ACIUF took credit for this, considering the facts.
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Funny how ACIUF took credit for this, considering the facts.
I guess it's easy to take credit if you're not bound to any non disclosure agreements
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I'll wait for AK to confirm those addresses... what happened with chipin?
I've been in hospital, the addresses mentioned by everyone else are correct.

Both Paxum and Paypal contributions can be sent to [email protected]

As for Chip In, they closed the service after they were acquired, we can't use it anymore.
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This is popular in Italy, since most gambling sites are unreachable from years and every site explains how to set opendns or googledns. It is very easy for police in Italy to order blacklisting domain names for any reasons, you can even sue someone because he write something about you that you don't like in his site, and judge order to wipe his domain from dns. For more info on censorship:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

Italy is in "Noticeable problems" yellow color, ranks below Moldova, Hungary, Republic of China (Taiwan), Niger, allof which are more free speech of Italy.
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Next chapter in the Filemates saga, this time they have been shut down by their hosting provider (website is offline currently):

http://stopfilelockers.com/file-mate...-the-sell-off/
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http://stopfilelockers.com/file-mate...-the-sell-off/
I like watching them freak out in the comments. That was the best part of being a member on WJ lol
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Another 300$ sent, keep up the great work

Hope attention gets put on mountfile.net soon... or have them sent to Colombia and I will deal with them personally... picture something like the beginning scenes of FarCry3.
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They also took credit on other things they weren't involved in at all, and on things you did. I'll tell you more when we speak again.
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Funny how ACIUF took credit for this, considering the facts.
Funny, how AntiWarez manages to connect the dots doing a littlebit of research on his own while you (and your 'team') get stuck at posting screenshots of supposedly infringing files which in the end turn out to be fake anyway. You clown.

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Stop kissing his ass. You are running an adult only image hosting service yourself. You are even paying uploaders. You know damn well that you profit from images posted along with copyright protected adult content. So why are you here, at the same time, kissing this clown's ass?

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Lumfile was kicked of by hosting provider LeaseWeb today. Wow if even LeaseWeb kicked them off it must have been really bad. They're now being hosted by Dragonara.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:19 AM   #5185
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Lumfile was kicked of by hosting provider LeaseWeb today. Wow if even LeaseWeb kicked them off it must have been really bad. They're now being hosted by Dragonara.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:52 PM   #5186
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I'm sorry for posting erroneous info, I was using whoishostingthis.com to check and it said Dragonara but others informed me they haven't changed host and doing a "refresh data" on whoishostingthis.com confirms this.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:05 PM   #5187
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I like ACIUF's April 10th article Extabit.com - on the edge
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Extabit’s affiliates have grown to be more and more disappointed on the reward system. Extabit hasn’t paid their affiliates for almost 3 months now. It’s an irony the fact that the affiliates are calling Extabit a fraud, a scammer and a thief. It seems that they are all redirecting their attention to other cyberlockers, as Extabit registered an overall decrease of reach (for the past 3 months) of 26% according to Alexa.com.

ACIUF has put together evidence that shows the nature of the activities Extabit is involved in and sent it over to its payment processors. As a result, there is only one payment processor left for Extabit.com.

We are constantly monitoring Extabit and in accordance with this descending trend of popularity, we are not planning in giving them a break.

Top Notch, Stand Up!

I remember booting ExtaBit off WJ only to be over-ruled by a greedy Owner and Admins that were concerned with dollars and traffic rather then the enforcement of their own rules.
Funny they closed their thread shortly after they slowed payments to a stop.

On Another Note: Another File host filed a complaint with LeaseWeb about LumFile as posted on my site.

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Filelocker Filezy hacked and all files deleted, I can't post the link but discussion is on Wjunction and very funny to read.

WDF what is your site, url?
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Filelocker Filezy hacked and all files deleted, I can't post the link but discussion is on Wjunction and very funny to read.

WDF what is your site, url?
You can find it referenced on NukePiracy. I run UploaderTalk and a number of other sites.
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You can find it referenced on NukePiracy. I run UploaderTalk and a number of other sites.
Mind boggling how people can ran both piracy promotion and anti-piracy sites these days.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:10 AM   #5193
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Stop kissing his ass. You are running an adult only image hosting service yourself. You are even paying uploaders. You know damn well that you profit from images posted along with copyright protected adult content. So why are you here, at the same time, kissing this clown's ass?
haha kissing ass? More like laughter and enjoyment, idiot. I get paid by numerous paysites to allow their content and promote their sites. I receive very few DMCAs even, and users are banned after multiple DMCAs. You'll notice my image host isn't that popular among most warez forums.

Have a clue before making comments about stuff you know nothing about and trying to feel like a big man.

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Mind boggling how people can ran both piracy promotion and anti-piracy sites these days.
Not really sure why you say I run both types of sites as it is inaccurate to say the least.

None of my sites promote, condone, or allow pro-piracy discussion.

I am usually aware of link backs to sites I run and know there is 1 in regards to a LumFile thread on UT @ NukePiracy.

I would hope you are speaking for yourself and not any group, as I said I am here to lend assistance how/where I can to Robert.

I do not condemn you because your business model does not conform to my religious beliefs, please do not condemn me because my business model does not conform to your personal beliefs.

We have mutual interests and goals that are better and more easily achieved without throwing stones and digs at each other.

Maybe you should re-read upload monkeys last couple of posts and learn just a little from them.

Open your mind and close your mouth sometimes, it can make a world of difference if you let it. Not a intended insult just a pro tip from a guy that has been around the block a few times.

I hope you have a sparkling day.

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Hello Robert, I hope all is well on your end and you have a productive day.

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Not really sure why you say I run both types of sites as it is inaccurate to say the least.
Its not me but you who said that. There's only one "professional community" in the world where people call themselves "uploaders" - pirates. People who actually create things never call themselves "uploaders" - musicians, film makers, software manufacturers etc and we porn producers too, it is ridiculous to call ourselves "uploaders" because uploading is such a small part of our work it isn't worth mentioning. But for pirates it is the essence of what they're doing. And no other group will even understand what a forum named UploaderTalk could be about.

Pretty much all hosts promoted at your site were featured and SFL at some point or their "careers", all of them were losing payment options, not in the least through AK's efforts. Such as Ultramegabit.com for example which got a special treatment at SFL, and still is one of the preferred hosts at many blatant piracy sites such as Rlslog.net.
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Its not me but you who said that. There's only one "professional community" in the world where people call themselves "uploaders" - pirates. People who actually create things never call themselves "uploaders" - musicians, film makers, software manufacturers etc and we porn producers too, it is ridiculous to call ourselves "uploaders" because uploading is such a small part of our work it isn't worth mentioning. But for pirates it is the essence of what they're doing. And no other group will even understand what a forum named UploaderTalk could be about.

Pretty much all hosts promoted at your site were featured and SFL at some point or their "careers", all of them were losing payment options, not in the least through AK's efforts. Such as Ultramegabit.com for example which got a special treatment at SFL, and still is one of the preferred hosts at many blatant piracy sites such as Rlslog.net.
Saying I promote Piracy because of a name I chose for a website is like saying you promote Sexual Deviance and Assault because of the content you promote.

If you prefer to attack me because I sell website space to advertisers that you do not care for you need to take a long hard look in the mirror as there are many that do not care for what you promote also.

Do you really want to go to war over words, etc. with me and show your supporters how well you work with others in achieving a common goal.

I am trying my best to approach this exchange diplomatically but it is you who are making it difficult.

Please consider your next reply carefully, you have many people watching the example you are setting here.

Rather then take shots at me work on the real issue in this thread. I surely hope you are not billing anyone for anti-piracy efforts while trying to demean me.
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Please consider your next reply carefully, you have many people watching the example you are setting here.
I'm not attacking you...but who cares about "many people watching"?

From my perspective as a content producer I could care less. WE aren't doing anything wrong. We work hard, take all the risks and then see our work stolen and devalued...and I give a flying fuck what these uploaders think about anything?

If I had my way I'd find every one of them and beat the hell out of them.

(hope that doesn't set a bad "example" for the "many people watching")
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Saying I promote Piracy because of a name I chose for a website is like saying you promote Sexual Deviance and Assault because of the content you promote.
Makes me beg the question, why are you here? What is your true purpose?
Damage control or mitigating circumstances you may be in?

Why else would you pick the name uploadertalk?
Like anyone else that's joined this thread, you will argue it blindly anyway you can.


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If you prefer to attack me because I sell website space to advertisers that you do not care for you need to take a long hard look in the mirror as there are many that do not care for what you promote also.
2 wrongs don't make a right and several people and companies on here sell each other out all the time. I'd love to give a few examples but might even get banned in the process because they provide money to this board.

Initially everyone was cheering but as AK has really started digging into the root causes and cutting off the money flow for all enabling forms of piracy and the ecosystem, former supporters have grown very weary of him. There are several companies and reps that keep completely quiet about this whole ordeal now because of it.

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Do you really want to go to war over words, etc. with me and show your supporters how well you work with others in achieving a common goal.
Hacking, DDOS, and slander on boards only cause frustration and never solve the problem; much like terrorists and their plots which always backfire in their face.

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Please consider your next reply carefully, you have many people watching the example you are setting here.
Should we never take the offense?
Most uploaders are of a younger generation. How old are you WDF? Most of them are in their teens or early 20's with admin and ring leaders or their early 30's.

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Rather then take shots at me work on the real issue in this thread. I surely hope you are not billing anyone for anti-piracy efforts while trying to demean me.
AK's the anyone that's put a tremendous amount of effort into doing anything about this. I have limited info on what he has done but from discussions with him he puts in considerable effort every day taking action and being effective.
It goes way way beyond text on message boards.
People that are effective make phone calls, hold meetings, determine effective strategies, and above all else! EXECUTE!
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