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Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-28-2012 01:30 AM

Virtual studios for the win.

adultmobile 06-28-2012 06:44 AM

Let me see this on a different approach:

1) Are you sure the hosting cost of a bot it is cheaper than a real girl online, I mean one from third world and unemployed? If you pay them $50 a month for the internet connection and $5 a day they will be online 10 hours a day (including when they sleep), and in some countries such as philippines they can chat in better English than most people posting in GFY. As a bonus they will get the messenger id of every user and ask to all of them for money in western union, but do you care?

2) In cams, the most money it is made with clothed private chats i.e. "love" i.e. "scam". Tips sent for sex play are a small fraction of what's dropped because she nicely ask help for buy new car or for medicine of a sickness she have not really. The live cams biz it is social engineering really, not porn, believe it or not, so you need a real girl (or shemale or gay) to listen the problems of lonely guys, and sya back their own problems and create sympathetic need for the guy to give her all his money (usually in western union, outside the cam site anyway).

Thumbnailer 06-28-2012 07:12 AM

Most of the REAL girls there are so boring to talk to - that it would be a big success to have super smart and hot babe talking to interact with.

I would say today it is just about quality and sophistication in creating such bots. It is simply too expensive - you will have to hire lots of smart folks and it costs money.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-28-2012 07:17 AM

Requires a single good programmer with diverse skills.

huey 06-28-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19028342)
So let me ask you a question.

What will your excuse be when a good customer of yours drops hundreds of dollars or more per month on your chat site then charges it all back when he figures out that he was talking to a Bot? How do you plan to explain that to your billing provider? Will you fight the chargeback? Will you scream at the biller on GFY about it?

Blame it on a studio in Romania.

Emma 06-28-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 19026410)
I see idiots tip recordings all the time.

that's true

Thumbnailer 06-28-2012 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrorist (Post 19028787)
Requires a single good programmer with diverse skills.

Those skills would involve deep knowledge in NLP (natural language processing). Programming itself is very simple here. There could be very powerful free toolkits today (thanks to open source)

and I am not talking about models and a screenplay for thousands of possible interactions.

adendreams 06-28-2012 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19028342)
So let me ask you a question.

What will your excuse be when a good customer of yours drops hundreds of dollars or more per month on your chat site then charges it all back when he figures out that he was talking to a Bot? How do you plan to explain that to your billing provider? Will you fight the chargeback? Will you scream at the biller on GFY about it?


I remember people making this same argument when music files were first successfully monetized. No one thought itunes had a chance of getting people to pay.

You are placing yourself firmly on the wrong side of history my man.

iSpyCams 06-28-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19028924)
I remember people making this same argument when music files were first successfully monetized. No one thought itunes had a chance of getting people to pay.

You are placing yourself firmly on the wrong side of history my man.

What? Are you seriously saying that playing pre-recorded music is the same as trying to pass off a prerecorded video as a live performance?

seeandsee 06-28-2012 09:16 AM

only "live agents" are used in this scheme, record sitting mode, record stroking mode and here you go :D

duk75 06-30-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19027053)
You guys who underestimate bots - and think they somehow offer a less realistic or less personal experience... well you are horse and buggy dudes....

And you underestimate us, thinking that we are ignorant and don't know anything about artificial intelligence, and the fact that there has not been a machine yet that pass the Turing test. :eatmouse

Gozarian 06-30-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CPA37710T (Post 19026424)
but its nothing new.. and yes tips.. theres no money on tips.. money is on privates and retention.. i always tell my girls to make the customer fall in love.. a one time session is worthless, a customer in love will always become a whale

Absolutely correct - we train that way and monthly sales training sessions :))

duk75 06-30-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozarian (Post 19033256)
Absolutely correct - we train that way and monthly sales training sessions :))

WHat is your website?

duk75 06-30-2012 09:51 PM

Then another question is, what webcam services have pretty and intelligent models?
AS you said, it is important to make customers fall in love... WHich webcam service you know that have intelligent models that can make that?

2MuchMark 06-30-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19028924)
I remember people making this same argument when music files were first successfully monetized. No one thought itunes had a chance of getting people to pay.

You are placing yourself firmly on the wrong side of history my man.

If you don't have an answer to my question, you should just say so without trying to deflect. The simple truth is that any live cam site trying to pass of recorded video as live cams would get caught, get lots of chargebacks, and lose their ability to bill. If you would like some proof, contact Cathy at Segpay, Anthony at Epoch, Jeff at CCBill and let them know what you would like to do and see what they say to you.

adultmobile 07-01-2012 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by duk75 (Post 19033276)
Then another question is, what webcam services have pretty and intelligent models?
AS you said, it is important to make customers fall in love... WHich webcam service you know that have intelligent models that can make that?

Each site includes both "intelligent" and "not intelligent" models :)

AtlantisCash 07-01-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CPA37710T (Post 19026470)
********** knows better




Weather he knows or not, you may make some money today but no doudt you might be crying toms as some idiots who fucked surfers over prechecked sales and shit.

if you fuck the surfer He/She will be less willingly to spend.

You can do a lot with bots but being honest and giving surfer what they want is the charm.

anyone who does this kinda tricks should be openly anounce on surfer boards and by competedor sitesalso...

VenusBlogger 07-01-2012 06:52 PM

THIS IS CLASSIC and so old tactic.. Nothing new. This is so 2005...

Also it's classic that some guys join as FEMALE CAM WHORES and use recorded LOOPS to trick surfers... They have a video of the gilr showing her tits, another or ass, etc.. when the surfer request, they put the video at the position and make them believe the girl is real, and they cash in the money, as they werethe real girl actually, when they are a male webmaster.

I also hear stories of guys paying girls in their city to record mounted vids of the girl doing different things and then they use those vids to join as cam whore.

Yeah, lots of hypocrite OWNERS of the CAM SPONSORS will say bullshit that they have ways to PROOF, and shit like that. ALL BULLSHIT that can be easily bypassed.

PIRIOD.

xNetworx 07-01-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19034397)

PIRIOD.

Aren't you the guy who is always crying about cams not converting? Shut up clown shoe!

livexxx 07-01-2012 07:31 PM

Had a chargeback from a punter who just thought the performer was on a loop

Babaganoosh 07-01-2012 07:56 PM

It depends on how long the loops are. If they're long enough someone might just think they have a bad case of deja vu. If you're trying to loop a 5 minute video, you'll get caught in about 10 minutes.

VenusBlogger 07-01-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StripperCash (Post 19034415)
Aren't you the guy who is always crying about cams not converting? Shut up clown shoe!

Someone is pissed that I revealed his scam secret?? HUH?

You fucking BULLSHITTER.

PIRIOD.

Gozarian 07-18-2012 10:21 AM

way to much bullshit. I personally know more than 100 cam girls and have many under work contract and there is no fucking way we could have ever run a loop and not been nailed by guys in the room or the various sites we feed live content to - impossible; too much interaction between model and members.

xNetworx 07-18-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozarian (Post 19066707)
way to much bullshit. I personally know more than 100 cam girls and have many under work contract and there is no fucking way we could have ever run a loop and not been nailed by guys in the room or the various sites we feed live content to - impossible; too much interaction between model and members.

Exactly. The guys claiming you can run a successful studio off looped videos are clueless

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-18-2012 07:35 PM

Anything is possible

Barry-xlovecam 07-18-2012 07:40 PM

Maybe, some customers might pay .05 a minute to talk to a cyber robot for kicks.

However, you go ahead and try to run a cam site with video loops -- let us know how it works out :error


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